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Re: where have all the omegans gone???
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:01 am
by [KMA]Avenger
General Pain I wrote:[AK]Avenger wrote:General Pain I wrote: I'm not here to help or entertain people.
obviously, but thats not the point here is it?!?!
[AK]Avenger wrote:the forum is that much more dull by the absence of omega!
What is the point of wanting us back?
I know for some, it's to carry on where they left off, but why would you want us back?
[AK]Avenger wrote:the forum is that much more dull by the absence of omega!
i think i've summed it up pretty well...dont you?
Re: where have all the omegans gone???
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:26 am
by RepliJake
I think I've misunderstood, the way I understand that is, when we are about, it's not dull, so you are entertained, I'm not trying to argue with you.
Re: where have all the omegans gone???
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:30 am
by n00b
[AK]Avenger wrote:in short, who cares what a few n00bs think???
I object to this comment. As the official representative for all n00bs, I believe that I am in my place to speak for us n00bs when I say that I do not want Omega gone.
<3 RepliJake, share the love. While we n00bs may be naïve at times, and express ourselves in a manner that can easily be interpreted in a number of negative ways, I maintain that our intentions are pure, even if our actions and words are stupid as hell.
~I+AM+A+N00B~
Re: where have all the omegans gone???
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:44 am
by Juliette
I think what Avenger meant was that with Omega around, things were more exciting because Omega takes to this game way more professional and well-thought out than most players. That attitude forces other players and alliances (true, not all of them, alas) to look at things with a stronger focus on organisation, skill and strategy. If you risk running into a wrestler on the way home, you bring along a weapon. Similarly if you risk coming up against Omega, you get sober and focus yourself and your alliance mates.
Social Darwinism DEMANDS that you return, if only to educate the masses.
Consider this; with very few officers, an army will crash in upon itself and fail. With a good batch of, objectively spoken, the best players in the game, all other players gain an incentive to behave, to mature, and to strive to become such paragons of gameplay themselves.
RepliJake, you say Omega received no support? I would counterpose that Omega kicked those who DID honestly support them in the guts, saying they were only wanting to hop on the bandwagon. You have had, and still have, your support. As for the level of those that support you, all I can say is "Whoever does not value the small things, should not expect the larger."
You guys are, as is said and proven sufficient times, some of the best players of the game. If it is not too much to ask, please explain to me how it is good for any game if it's main paragons hide themselves in silence?
And perhaps you *are* here for the general entertainment of all. Explain to me why else you would be playing this game, if not for entertainment? Does not the main entertainment come from the people behind the numbers?
Re: where have all the omegans gone???
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:54 am
by RepliJake
Yes, we have support, 3 different people called a friend and fellow alliance member of mine a disgusting thing, which I can't be bothered to go into, best response from the general community that was received was firstly, EtL being removed as admin for banning one of them, Geisha being demoted and people supporting and giving reasons why it was ok, yes I can see why many of our members would want to be here for that treatment. BTW one of those people was a former admin, one is a MOD who was going to be admin and one is just some person who has nothing better than to hang around here insulting people, even though they claim not to play.
Explain how we kicked the people in the guts that have supported us?
Re: where have all the omegans gone???
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:58 am
by Teal'auc of the Void
General Pain I wrote:Yes, we have support, 3 different people called a friend and fellow alliance member of mine a disgusting thing, which I can't be bothered to go into, best response from the general community that was received was firstly, EtL being removed as admin for banning one of them, Geisha being demoted and people supporting and giving reasons why it was ok, yes I can see why many of our members would want to be here for that treatment. BTW one of those people was a former admin, one is a MOD who was going to be admin and one is just some person who has nothing better than to hang around here insulting people, even though they claim not to play.
Explain how we kicked the people in the guts that have supported us?
Well, you should not judge people based on bad experience with few. It is as bad as people judging whole Omega without even knowing the group. Not that you'd care of course, but you certainly must see my point.
There are many other people who would like to see Omega around, no matter if they like or hate you.
I understand the frustration however I believe people should look at bright side of things, especially in games we are playing. Because if there's no brighter point of the game, why we would bother playing at all?
Teal'auc
Re: where have all the omegans gone???
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:59 am
by RepliJake
Teal'auc of the Tok'ra wrote:General Pain I wrote:Yes, we have support, 3 different people called a friend and fellow alliance member of mine a disgusting thing, which I can't be bothered to go into, best response from the general community that was received was firstly, EtL being removed as admin for banning one of them, Geisha being demoted and people supporting and giving reasons why it was ok, yes I can see why many of our members would want to be here for that treatment. BTW one of those people was a former admin, one is a MOD who was going to be admin and one is just some person who has nothing better than to hang around here insulting people, even though they claim not to play.
Explain how we kicked the people in the guts that have supported us?
Well, you should not judge people based on bad experience with few. It is as bad as people judging whole Omega without even knowing the group. Not that you'd care of course, but you certainly must see my point.
There are many other people who would like to see Omega around, no matter if they like or hate you.
I understand the frustration however I believe people should look at bright side of things, especially in games we are playing. Because if there's no brighter point of the game, why we would bother playing at all?
Teal'auc
It was an example and it's not the actions of the few, it's the inactions of the many.
Re: where have all the omegans gone???
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:11 am
by High Empty
In case you hadn't figured out, i'm around. But then i don't count. We show up to the admin meetings, So that hopefully we can prevent the game from losing interest.
As for Jake, he's just upset that he doesn't get to play with jenny anymore
Runs Far away, to maimi.
Re: where have all the omegans gone???
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:14 am
by Teal'auc of the Void
High Empty wrote:In case you hadn't figured out, i'm around. But then i don't count. We show up to the admin meetings, So that hopefully we can prevent the game from losing interest.
As for Jake, he's just upset that he doesn't get to play with jenny anymore
Runs Far away, to maimi.
Well, good to see some old school fart responding to this thread... Omegans are in danger of extinct (sp?). And we must not let that happen
Teal'auc
Re: where have all the omegans gone???
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:22 am
by Juliette
General Pain I wrote:Explain how we kicked the people in the guts that have supported us?
I was thinking about remarks made about people who openly said they supported you, who were then made snide comments to saying they were profiteers. I'm not really thinking of any one situation in particular.
So basically your problem with the community is that no one intervenes when, obviously, Omegans are wronged? I should've seen that one coming.
Perhaps a new generation of people (like the many who have signed up in the past months) can make a difference at that point? It is my opinion, like Teal'auc says, that we should look at the bright side of things. It's cheesey, it's flawed, but like democracy it is the one thing closest to satisfying.
It is a grand abomination that people were not punished for insulting your friend. I assume you have shown them all corners of the fighting cage after such a gross transgression?
Looking at your words, I see that you're talking about one who *was* an admin (but isn't anymore), one who was *going to be* an admin (but didn't become one) and one person that is in fact inconsequential. All things considered, those people should have been reprimanded by the collective of the community. That is what you're saying, right? If that is all, I wholeheartedly agree. Had I been around at the time, I would have commented.
Personally I believe the problem is as much in your factual superiority, as it is in the people that cannot forget they once only saw your taillights on the highway to success.
Jealousy is a b***h to counter. For so long you were, and are again, a collection of the best players in the game, that people have come to identify the symbol of Omega with absolute supremacy. Then, people cannot believe that such supremacy can be achieved by regular gameplay. They're right, it requires special skill in the game and in diplomacy to achieve such status. Now that it *seems* like Omega is slappable material, people cannot stop slapping.
This is why I mentioned the next generation. They do not identify you with the supremacy and false allegations of cheating you suffer from parts of the older community. They can, if they use their common sense, see that *fun* in a game means going a different way than a lot of people have gone in the past.
I'll cut short here, lest I come across a preachy nun. 'pologies for the long post.
Re: where have all the omegans gone???
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:29 am
by Teal'auc of the Void
Well, it used to be honour to be in Omega, Auriel. However problem lies on the both sides of barricade. It would be lie to blame just the community. Yes, some things were out of line towards Omega, but then some Omegans were/are not behaving actually correctly, at least in my books.
My suggestion would be to move on. Holding grudges is pointless at this stage. The game needs to have its pillars of history and hate them or not, Omega is part of SGW history. They made solid impact to the game. Anyone who has been here in past 2 years could see it.
And yes, there were people who blamed Omega for all wrongs and they were completelly blind. It's easy to blame someone than to write something insightful.
Teal'auc
Re: where have all the omegans gone???
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:33 am
by Sphinx42
Aargh, long posts...
But aside from spambots and admitted scammers, everyone who has played/plays/is going to play SGW should be welcome
Re: where have all the omegans gone???
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:41 am
by Teal'auc of the Void
BTW how can someone claim Omega were cheating...? From what I know they are ANTI-CHEAT alliance, given the fact they fought most known cheater Nebulator and many others. Omega can be everything but not cheaters.
Teal'auc
PS: Tok´ra, call me momma PPT once more and you'll see no end of my name in your attack logs. 
Re: where have all the omegans gone???
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:59 am
by [KMA]Avenger
Auriel wrote:I think what Avenger meant was that with Omega around, things were more exciting because Omega takes to this game way more professional and well-thought out than most players. That attitude forces other players and alliances (true, not all of them, alas) to look at things with a stronger focus on organisation, skill and strategy. If you risk running into a wrestler on the way home, you bring along a weapon. Similarly if you risk coming up against Omega, you get sober and focus yourself and your alliance mates.
Social Darwinism DEMANDS that you return, if only to educate the masses.
thanks Auriel, i couldn't have put it better myself...even tho i've tried, my vocabulary isn't what it should be
i will always see omega as "The Top Dog" (or cat in ETL's case
) for the simple reason, the amount of wars and victories they've had,( i know some will say "what about TLE?", well tbh, anyone with loads of big name contacts can slap together an alliance of strong players, omega have worked hard to be were they are) and for there unsurpassed tactics and coordination and anything less than full representation of they're alliance on the forum is nothing short of criminal!
Re: where have all the omegans gone???
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:03 am
by Teal'auc of the Void
Well, Omega simply has little something what TLE doesn't...tho I am unable to express it well enough with simple words.
Teal'auc