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Re: What OS do you run?
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:49 pm
by semper
Vista is bloody awful! I use it, what a mistake. It slows everything down, has a complete and utter spaz every time you try and use a none MS thing. (Photoshop, Fire fox, Itunes...) Drives me bonkers! Plus it dosent like my PC games! And I Know there is nothing wrong with the PC itself because its been checked out. Vistas sucks. BIG TIME, its got a lot of chinks that need working out, which is a shame because it has some nice features and great potential, its just not there yet.
Mac software has an impossible menu, you go a pixle over the edge and it'l shoot 50 items in the wrong direction, or at least that was the last time I used it, years ago. That frustrating I havent touched a mac since.
The others I didnt even know existed!
XP rules, id swear by it. So MS gets my vote.
Re: What OS do you run?
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:04 pm
by cyberblade
Bob_2007 wrote:cyberblade wrote:It's hard enough to get it to run in a VM. lol. but if you get it running native-please let me know! I'm happy to run it as an alternative OS (particularly now that I can get to a terminal) I just hate paying extra for the hardware, and any repairs, etc.
Nah, it's actually quite easy to get it to run.
Getting it to run
properly, now that's a different story (in particular display drivers, lan drivers, audio drivers, wireless). Haven't got my hands on the dvd yet (waiting for it to arrive) so I haven't even started looking for the necessary hacks or drivers yet... I'll keep you posted on the progress...
Check engadget, btw. Or was it Gizmodo? One of the two. Some nutcase has installed it on an Asus Eee PC (the 4Gb/512Mb model). He gave up with leopard (although he did get it running) and reverted to tiger for a bit snappier performance on the modest hardware. I've been thinking of getting the 8Gb/1Gb model for when I'm on the road so hmmm...
True-its the runnung "properly" that's hard... I'll wait til someone's got all the bugs out of setting up leopard to run properly and then I'll worry about it. Not gonna run it native though.
My project for (early) next year is to set up my desktop with a extremely basic kernel (less than 30MB hopefully) so it will boot almost instantly. Then Xen-with all my VM's (Ubuntu, XP, Leopard, Vista) and properly configured to share files and all...
The Eee PC does look nice-but for that price you can catch some of the holiday sales and pick up a much nicer beast. Personally-I hate small screens... But if you like it-it seems to be a good machine. The specs on the OLPC I think are quite similar-you might want to check.
Re: What OS do you run?
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:20 pm
by cyberblade
Semper wrote:Vista is bloody awful! I use it, what a mistake. It slows everything down, has a complete and utter spaz every time you try and use a none MS thing. (Photoshop, Fire fox, Itunes...) Drives me bonkers! Plus it dosent like my PC games! And I Know there is nothing wrong with the PC itself because its been checked out. Vistas sucks. BIG TIME, its got a lot of chinks that need working out, which is a shame because it has some nice features and great potential, its just not there yet.
Mac software has an impossible menu, you go a pixle over the edge and it'l shoot 50 items in the wrong direction, or at least that was the last time I used it, years ago. That frustrating I havent touched a mac since.
The others I didnt even know existed!
XP rules, id swear by it. So MS gets my vote.
As Jack pointed out-UAC can be killed quite easily (google it). But yes-Vista has many problems still-and some good features as well... Remember how buggy XP was until SP2? LOL. Well, I'd take Linux any day-but Vista isn't completely horrible...
I like some features of Mac's-they look very pretty anyway

But it's hard to tweak them to run properly-and they are very finicky... And overpriced ...
Re: What OS do you run?
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:44 pm
by cyberblade
Jack wrote:My post wasn't trying to defend Vista, merely informing those with Vista, that it is possible to kill the evil UAC.
I'd post instructions on how to do it, however I do not use a Vista machine, and the only 2 I have access to, are far too annoying to try and refresh my memory on how to do it. Though as Cyber said, it's fairly easy to kill, just Google it.
I wouldn't bother trying to defend Vista either-in fact I'd prefer it were slaughtered... But it's probably around for a while, and I have to know how to use it... *shudders*
On the bright side-Vista was the best thing that happened to Linux this year

Re: What OS do you run?
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:17 pm
by Bob_2007
cyberblade wrote:The Eee PC does look nice-but for that price you can catch some of the holiday sales and pick up a much nicer beast. Personally-I hate small screens... But if you like it-it seems to be a good machine. The specs on the OLPC I think are quite similar-you might want to check.
Tell me about it... when engadget picked up on that thing several months ago I picked up on it then, and it was being touted as a $199 machine. Somewhat disappointed at the price it eventually came out at. If it had onboard hsdpa or evdo (or preferrably both, with the gobi chip) it'd be ok-ish at that price. In fact they're so far off the $199 mark they're encroaching on the low end laptop prices - the Vostro I believe you can pick up for around $399.
But oh, trust me... if you've been roaming around with a nokia n95, a 7" screen wouldn't seem so small...
The OLPC specs are interesting, yeah... If only they didn't look like a V-Tech or Fischer Price toy... Am I the only one who thinks they look like a "speak 'n' spell" from the 80's??
Re: What OS do you run?
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:20 pm
by ThakalluS
I'm running on Vista.
So far so good.
Re: What OS do you run?
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:03 pm
by cyberblade
Bob_2007 wrote:cyberblade wrote:The Eee PC does look nice-but for that price you can catch some of the holiday sales and pick up a much nicer beast. Personally-I hate small screens... But if you like it-it seems to be a good machine. The specs on the OLPC I think are quite similar-you might want to check.
Tell me about it... when engadget picked up on that thing several months ago I picked up on it then, and it was being touted as a $199 machine. Somewhat disappointed at the price it eventually came out at. If it had onboard hsdpa or evdo (or preferrably both, with the gobi chip) it'd be ok-ish at that price. In fact they're so far off the $199 mark they're encroaching on the low end laptop prices - the Vostro I believe you can pick up for around $399.
But oh, trust me... if you've been roaming around with a nokia n95, a 7" screen wouldn't seem so small...
The OLPC specs are interesting, yeah... If only they didn't look like a V-Tech or Fischer Price toy... Am I the only one who thinks they look like a "speak 'n' spell" from the 80's??
Yeah, I remember seeing all the hype with much lower prices also... That's advertising for you I suppose. And yes-the OLPC does look childish (thats the reason I haven't bought one yet)... Though within the next year they are supposed to have some of the OLPC's with a builtin slot for 3g Sim Card-not blazing fast-but good for email/surfing.
And yes-for under 600 you can get a fullblown laptop-with a lot more ram, HDD and a faster processor... The advantage being that the Eee has a SSD... (I saw a 128 Gig SSD for sale on NewEgg today-only 3k lol). I can't stand small screens though. That's why my cellphone is a cellphone, and I carry my laptop if I need to... Although next year I'll probably get one of the HTC models-if you like small machines they have one-a bit more expensive though...
Re: What OS do you run?
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:04 pm
by cyberblade
_Thakallus_ wrote:I'm running on Vista.
So far so good.
I would be intrigued to know what programs you currently run/have installed on it and what you do with it on a daily basis...
Re: What OS do you run?
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:26 pm
by Asami Ayano
cyberblade wrote:_Thakallus_ wrote:I'm running on Vista.
So far so good.
I would be intrigued to know what programs you currently run/have installed on it and what you do with it on a daily basis...
stop interrogating people.
They can choose to run vista.
For most broswer based games, such as sgw, vista is perfect. It works with office and does all basic stuff really well. May not be hip as a mac, but it works perfectally fine.
Maybe it's because I was raised on a windows 95 system, but I have never deviated from the windows path. -though the mac was sort of tempting-
Re: What OS do you run?
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:39 pm
by cyberblade
Asami Ayano wrote:cyberblade wrote:_Thakallus_ wrote:I'm running on Vista.
So far so good.
I would be intrigued to know what programs you currently run/have installed on it and what you do with it on a daily basis...
stop interrogating people.
They can choose to run vista.
For most broswer based games, such as sgw, vista is perfect. It works with office and does all basic stuff really well. May not be hip as a mac, but it works perfectally fine.
Maybe it's because I was raised on a windows 95 system, but I have never deviated from the windows path. -though the mac was sort of tempting-
err... whats with being so defensive? I asked (and would still like to know) what programs were installed and what it was used for... how is that interrogation? Just so you know-I use Vista several times a week... I used it several hours today... I don't like it-but I'm not condemning anyone for using it or interrogating anyone. Given that I work in IT I always want to know what people do with technology

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And yes-for a typical end user Vista works fine-if you have a relatively new machine. As for using Windows-the first Windows I used was 3.0... And I've used every one since then. I would recommend that you give another OS a try though-just for a different experience. It doesn't cost you anything, and you don't even have to install anything... Just use a live cd from one of the more popular GPL licensed OS's. The Mac is shiny-but it lacks compatibility, interoperability, security and you end up paying several hundred dollars for the brand... For an end user with money to burn it works though.
Re: What OS do you run?
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:55 pm
by Asami Ayano
cyberblade wrote:err... whats with being so defensive? I asked (and would still like to know) what programs were installed and what it was used for... how is that interrogation? Just so you know-I use Vista several times a week... I used it several hours today... I don't like it-but I'm not condemning anyone for using it or interrogating anyone. Given that I work in IT I always want to know what people do with technology

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And yes-for a typical end user Vista works fine-if you have a relatively new machine. As for using Windows-the first Windows I used was 3.0... And I've used every one since then. I would recommend that you give another OS a try though-just for a different experience. It doesn't cost you anything, and you don't even have to install anything... Just use a live cd from one of the more popular GPL licensed OS's. The Mac is shiny-but it lacks compatibility, interoperability, security and you end up paying several hundred dollars for the brand... For an end user with money to burn it works though.
It's true that I sound defensive, but I'm quite tired of people bashing microsoft.
They have developed great products are are continuing to do so.
It's true that microsoft has become huge, and quite lumbersome. But it's impossible for Microsoft to streamline it's operations or conduct some decent business without having a anti-trust or some monopoly lawsuit slapped against them
Furthermore, I think Vista is revolutionary. Sure it lacks compatiblity, and the ask screens get annoying. But it's got great security, as it won't let you install or open anything without asking. And the compatibilty would come.
The improtant part of vista is what it's run based on. It's not just the samething with a different interface. They're changed a lot of what's beneath the surface, to pave the way for the future.
Apple Macs have better marketing and looks. But it still can't beat the reliability and compatibility of a PC.
Macs aren't virus proof or security breachless, there are just less programs targeted at them. Once a Mac gets a virus, it's nearly impossible to fix without major reformating.
In my view, Linux is a little over glorified. It isn't made for the average joe who only knows how to press the on button and open IE to check their email. It's more for techies who want to program their own settings etc. Also, it's great for certain shareware/ freeware, but lack compatiblity with many other programs.
Re: What OS do you run?
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:29 pm
by cyberblade
Asami Ayano wrote:It's true that I sound defensive, but I'm quite tired of people bashing microsoft.
fair enough-now I don't mean to bash-but there are a few things you should know...They have developed great products are are continuing to do so.
Their first truly 'new' product was XP-which still had code from 95 in it... DOS they bought-and most of their OS's have been front end's for DOS. That said-they made PC's commonplace in the households, and that is a good thing.It's true that microsoft has become huge, and quite lumbersome. But it's impossible for Microsoft to streamline it's operations or conduct some decent business without having a anti-trust or some monopoly lawsuit slapped against them
Microsoft has been slapped with lawsuits-but you'll notice that they almost always settle-while when they sue they almost always lose... That should say something about who the guilty party USUALLY is (not always).Furthermore, I think Vista is revolutionary. Sure it lacks compatiblity, and the ask screens get annoying. But it's got great security, as it won't let you install or open anything without asking. And the compatibilty would come.
Vista is new, and has some new features for Windows (note that almost all of those features were available other places beforehand). A couple things-one-you can turn off the UAC so that doesn't annoy you. secondly-you are correct-compatibility will come-with most things... I wish MS stopped implementing their own corrupt standards though (for sql, html, java, etc...)
Thirdly:security. Ok-here I'm going to rant a bit (don't take it personally). Those pop up boxes that are annoying and make people feel better? Those are as useful as the national guards with guns but WITHOUT AMMUNITION were in airports were right after 9/11. Security is my field, and if you do research you'll find plenty to back this up-those boxes do not make it more secure. Any decently coded piece of malware can avoid that. The few new security features that Vista has are not visible to the end user... Yes-they make people THINK its more secure (which is worth something) but its all security theater (to quote Bruce Schneier). To be quite honest-currently Vista (fully patched) has more security holes than a fully patched installation of XP. It's as bad as XP was before SP2...
</rant>The improtant part of vista is what it's run based on. It's not just the samething with a different interface. They're changed a lot of what's beneath the surface, to pave the way for the future.
Quite true. For the first time MS has started from scrath with a lot of their coding.Apple Macs have better marketing and looks. But it still can't beat the reliability and compatibility of a PC.
Better looks, maybe, better marketing yes. Compatibility of a PC is much better, reliability is similar to windows (now that it has a UNIX kernel) but inferior to UNIX or Linux.Macs aren't virus proof or security breachless, there are just less programs targeted at them. Once a Mac gets a virus, it's nearly impossible to fix without major reformating.
Macs don't have great security, neither does Windows. But there are plenty of ways to fix macs without reformatting if they do get infected (been there, done that).In my view, Linux is a little over glorified. It isn't made for the average joe who only knows how to press the on button and open IE to check their email. It's more for techies who want to program their own settings etc. Also, it's great for certain shareware/ freeware, but lack compatiblity with many other programs.
I'm not sure what you mean by "over glorified"...
As for the "average joe" comment-up until a year ago I could have agrred with you... Nowadays it is just as userfriendly as Windows possibly more so. Try it out-the GUI has progressed a lot. And yes-while it is userfriendly it does allow people who know what they are doing to have more control. I don't know what you mean by freeware/shareware... I normally avoid those types of things. I much prefer Open Source stuff... Still free, but almost always much better quality. What compatibility problems do you have? there are games maybe that don't run (but a lot of the popular ones do) but there are tools (often better ones imho) to do every task possible with Linux.
Anyway-I don't mean to bash you, just showing the other side of the coin. 
Re: What OS do you run?
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:14 am
by Solus
I primarily use Win XP. its done the job so far, i know it relatively well and it would take me a while to transferr everything to another OS... despite my nearly empty 500gb hdd... i have programs that i dont think i could access anymore...
but thats beside the point... >.<
as far as vista is concerned, i like it. Ive only used it briefly, and as far as those glitches and everything is concerned, the updates should fix it. but thats been said. same thing happened with XP.
I dont have any experience with Mac machines, for all I know they may be fantastic. all I know is I dont like the company. as such I wont buy one. there may be those who need Macs, and I appreciate that. they do have their purpose.
Linux i have only used in small bursts, just installed them to an old HDD to check them out. they look quite good. i have used ubuntu, i cant remember the version tho. i'd like to use it as a secondary OS but i just cant get away from xp >.<
Jack, when you say Halo2 isnt a benefit of vista, i agree... for those with XBOX's anyway. i dont. but hey, regardless of halo2, i'd like vista ultimate as another secondary OS...
lol for those who want a vista look but with the XP program core, just install XP and theres plenty of skin options to install to mimic vista. i've got a problem with some of the transparency stuff but apart from that...
*drools*
Re: What OS do you run?
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:55 am
by Angnoch
Vista

Re: What OS do you run?
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:32 am
by Solus
Jack wrote:Halo 2 sucks, I hated it, that's what I meant by it not being a benefit.
i havent played it, i wanna make up my own mind.
lol a friend from ages ago HATED disney with a passion so he thought Kingdom Hearts would've been crap... it wasnt at all... one of the best rpg's ive played. same with some music... all ive heard about Atreyu's new album 'lead sails paper anchor' is that its crap... i like it honestly.
nothing intended jack... just wanna see for myself...
besides, i just would like vista for some added functionality.
(i have a DX10 graphics card, but stuck on DX9 for now...)