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Thriller wrote:Yes their has been many cultures throughout history have accepted homosexuality. The ones who have tend to be the most successful. Greeks, Romans, Chinese, African, Persians.

TheWay wrote:every point just lobbied was band wagon logic, I scratch my head because I even told you up front many times this is what you would fall back on and here you go band wagon logic. I am absolutly out of my mind over this lol. Can someone non biased please explain what I am saying here. Just on the band wagon logic and such you dont have to take a side just step in on the issue of pure reason

fireball37 wrote: The Greek male bonding you refer to involved sexual acts, therefore I would consider it homosexuality, in fact the whole principle of what you said, about mutual love and respect is no different to modern gay relationships. Although I don't agree with Greek views on pedophilia, and paiderastia only applied to those relationships.

Sexual acts were not condoned. Mutual love and respect is no different from any relationship. Your point being?

With China, there was no hatred against homosexuality, provided that the men involved had families of there own, otherwise it was seen as weakening the empire and was frowned upon, but only because of the fact that gay men couldn't have offspring, however today many gay men adopt children who are orphans or from mothers who cannot look after them, the Chinese would not have had a problem with this.

Weakening the empire should be frowned upon. Im not saying that Chinese, back then, didn't have a hatred of homosexuality. However, china wasn't really a successful empire back then. Today it has more power, and today homosexuality is frowned upon.

And although the Persians where religious they where also very tolerant of homosexuality, there is record of homoerotic acts being allowed within monasteries. And much of there poetry had homosexual overtones.

Poetry back then, and even now, have overtones of femininity. I don't say homosexual overtones because well that's a misconception. In addition, Persians were against homosexuality. Ive been doing research into the Persian culture and it is apparent the homosexuality was tolerated however, not condoned.

fireball37 wrote:As for China, I wouldn't really consider them to have become more powerful than they once were (relative to the rest of the world of course) in fact, there culture reveres the past, the principle ethnicity of China is actually named after this period in there history.

Mister Sandman wrote:

fireball37 wrote: The Greek male bonding you refer to involved sexual acts, therefore I would consider it homosexuality, in fact the whole principle of what you said, about mutual love and respect is no different to modern gay relationships. Although I don't agree with Greek views on pedophilia, and paiderastia only applied to those relationships.

Sexual acts were not condoned. Mutual love and respect is no different from any relationship. Your point being?

Mister Sandman wrote:

Thriller wrote:Yes their has been many cultures throughout history have accepted homosexuality. The ones who have tend to be the most successful. Greeks, Romans, Chinese, African, Persians.

Lets have a look shall well. The most "successful" cultures...

Greek

For the Greeks it wasn't "homosexuality" it was a sort of male bonding.
It was a relationship called paiderastia. Men were called to respect, and bond with each other. However, they were not to desire sexual intimacy.

There were to educate, protect, love, and provide a role model for one another.

In no regards this relationship contain of homosexual acts. It was same-sex relationships.

I will contrast this with a typical 21st century setting.

Picture a the gang. Your mates. You go to the pub or whatever to bond and have a relationship. If some guy picks on your mates you would protect them right? They are your brothers so to speak.


Romans

Laws such as the Lex Scantinia, Lex Iulia, and Lex Iulia de vi publica regulated against same-sex activities among free-born males, Lex Scantinia as well as especially legislations for the Roman military put capital punishments upon same-sex activities


Chinese

Look at traditions of ying and yang.


African

Successful?


Persians

As far I am aware the Persians were against it. They were very religious people.

Semper wrote:Yet not the British empire, and that was arguably the most successful of the lot.

LiQuiD wrote:

Semper wrote:Yet not the British empire, and that was arguably the most successful of the lot.

not 'arguably.'

tis fact it was



from what i remember the greeks (Spartans) were as gay as the day is long.



i have seen people make points about whats natural and whats not. the simple fact is that the human body is not intended for male/male or female/female intercourse. i argue that its fundamentally unnatural as it cannot lead to procreation. although this depends on definitions i suppose.