descension

[ohknee0]

29th August 2005
"Ascension Update

Hello, - This update is coming before the update, in response to many rumours and likely 1/2 truths, and some outright false information
Ascension approaches - It should be done for the 1st, give or take a day or 2... Minimally, the "cost" and details of ascension will be live for the 1st.
The basics are as follows:
Everything in your realm adds to your "ascension power" which coverts to "ascension power points" that you then take into your ascended account. These 'power points' are convertable to upgrades in the ascended realm...-now - you ask - what can you upgrade?
In the ascended realm, you have your own ascended self, with 10 stats ranging from strength, to life force, to life force growth and recovery speed, and so on...
You will also have control over a large 'physical realm'. This has attack, defence, covert and assassin abilities. These, too, are upgradable.
The realm can grow and get more powerful, so the 'ascension points' are really a running start and not (necessarily) an advantage that will always remain -- just as the person in the top 10 now, may not always be in the top 10 most powerful lords...
A bit more on the gameplay in ascension.... - you can fight realms just like in the current servers, although with a few more options.
Likewise, when you 'defeat' a realm such that it has no defences left, you can then attack the master of the realm (the 'self' ascended being in control of the realm). Be warned, though, that simply being able to win a physical battle does not guarantee being able to beat the ascended being, since that is a "one on one" fight between you and them. The armies of the physical plane can only take you so far....and then the fight moves to the ascended plane...

Your current realm in this plane will survive, but without any of the 'stuff' it had before you will have used all your 'stuff' to ascend. This means your untrained, weapons, covert levels, ops, Naq, mercs, and so on and so on, all contribute to your ascended power, and nothing of them remains. Your realm stays, but 'resets' to such a state that you are like a new player (although Supporter Status -ie the ability to transfer resources - will remain.) On the bright side, we will not leave you laying naked in a field on a foreign planet with no memories
Additionally - ascending is an OPTION. You can choose when and if to ascend -- there will be no automated forcing of ascension.

The rest I will leave for discovery...the message here is simply that everything you do in this realm can and will help you in your ascension, and that ascension itself is not a rumour

I also apologize for the slowness in my responses on the forums and mail over the last few days...I have been quite busy working on the next level of gameplay, and will continue to be for the next few days...

Thank you for your understanding
- admin."
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Sorry that was a bit long - wanted to get the whole thing in. Seems like a loong time ago when ascension was introduced.
Notice no mention of decension?
But it does describe it, I think.
I'm not trying a to add fuel to any fires - just thought it would be interesting to read that again after so long.

[urogard]

ok my two cents.
Descencion must be costly for the descended and the descender.
It must be a massive drain on resources that grows exponentially the longer you play. (since you also get stronger). Yet with growth comes strength (But i think it should be lesser than the cost increase)

My point?
Stronger players must pay significantly more if they try to descend someone (doesn't matter if it's a weak or strong person). BUT since they are stronger they will stand a greater chance of succeeding in doing so.

Edit by Wolf: I changed 'descendee' to 'descender' - since 'descended and 'descendee' are both the same thing.

[gimp_master]

22 pages later...

Having only very recntley ascended i like the idea of being allowed time to build one's account.

I also think you should not be able to descend someone below your level until you reach living god status. I mean honestly prior Vs LG thats a no-brainer who's going to take out the honours there.

I don't think descention should have any affect on main other than if you chose to re-enter the physical realm as outlined below.

Finally i think that yes you should permanently lose 1 ascention level every time you get owned EXCEPT prior status (this is not just because i'm a prior, more of a clinging to the TV show) then it should be choice.

These are my adaptations/interpritations of others ideas. (i'm not smart enough to have them on my own lol!)

Gimp

[The Dalek Empire]

I also think you should not be able to descend someone below your level until you reach living god status. I mean honestly prior Vs LG thats a no-brainer who's going to take out the honours there.

I appreciate you clinging to the TV show here, but I'm afraid that must take a backseat to game mechanics. The proposal you put in there is basically giving those that Ascended cheaply to LG+1 with no regards for Ascension itself a free escape from the balance that is about to wallop them.

[Blitz]

i would say that

what forum has initally proposed for the deacsetion update for the acsended server

is by far the best out of all of the other stuff that has been said here

so i say good job forum

and thanks for the update


blitz

[Lord Ho Chi Man]

when daniel was descended he lost EVERYTHING even his close the point is that is no wher near everything. yes it does damage, but not to the point where any one would descend somone with the resources it will take.

But Did daniel have to ascend 6 times to get all of his bonuses Back and gain his power in the ascended realm, No he was granted the full power of the Ascended race, no he may not have know how to use it and if he had stayed ascended and given time would have grown stronger as an ascended being. The second time he ascended and then decended he retained all memory. I believe that a person that gets descended should lose more than a month of the bonuses, but to lose 6 ascentions is a bit much, and will cause more of the middle players to leave the game, as they will see their hard work go down the drain.

[Goretrek]

Hey guys,

Just managed to catch up on the last few pages.

Ok firstly, you cannot compare growth on main to growth on ascended. Simple reason - market place and PTP trading. With enough AT's and farms it IS possible to catch up to some of the 'big boys' although STI, JUAN etc will sure prove a challenge

I still stand by my theory that when the dust settles and people have had their fun with their enemies they will then turn on the smaller, less connected players and descend them out of boredom.

Several people have stated that 'it will be very hard to descend someone'. Well my questions are:

How hard will it be to descend someone?
How do you know this when the full details have not been released?

Don't make assumptions people, go by the facts and the facts only. As the saying goes 'Assumption is the mother of all mistakes' <-- Had to edit the quote slightly due to forum rules

[dredd2525]

many have asked how hard it will be to descend somone.

I think I may be able to give a little example, assuming god battles opperate the same as a regular strike would.

Person 1: god strike = 4,000 (not a bad strike, levels would have to be mid to high 20's for this kind of strike.)

Person 2: God defense = 3,000 (about level 20 on the defense skills)
Person 2: Constitution = level 25 (takes 75% of damage dealt)
Person 2: Repulsion = 22 (not a lot of detail on how this works so some assumptions will be made)

Ok person 1 attacks person 2. First attacks gives 3,500 and defender gets 2,750.
This attack left 750 points remaining.
Repulsion would kick in somewhere in here and send back an ammount of damage to person 1, likely bypassing defenses and causing damage to person 1. This would limit how many times someone could attack by how much life they had available.

of the 750 points that got though the god defenses 75% or 562 life would be removed from person 2.

For examples sake if person 2 had 16,000 life force and full reserves. This person could not be descended as it would take 4,697 AT to remove all of his life force, assuming he does about 562 damage with each attack.

So you can see anyone with a reasonable defense like person 2 above could defend against an attack from anyone unless they had a HUGE advantage in god strike.

Please be gentle, I used what information I had available to make this example but I think it gives a reasonably acurate representation of what would happen during a god battle.

Oh, one more thing. the way the udate would go in with forum's description, any physical defenses would add to your godly defense score.

[Funky White Boy]

That is probably one of the most useful posts on this subject so far thanks to Dredd it looks as if we have nothing to Dredd. Sorry for the Pun.

So the following should make it near on impossible. Good Defence backed by spies and assasins to prevent sabbing or dark force attacks. Then if they manage to get through that good stats in the energy absorption repulsion constitution areas to make you relatively safe in one on one attack.

I don't know why any of those who actually play should be worried

[Kroony]

how about b4 u implement deascention you finish the cosmic trade zone?

[MGZ]

actually there's probably not going to be a cosmic trade. a lot of people don't like the idea of buying turns/planets/dmu all the time like that. it would throw off the natural balance.

[Funky White Boy]

how about b4 u implement deascention you finish the cosmic trade zone?

http://herebegames.com/StarGateWars/vie ... hp?t=41325

See link for this thread

[Hammond]

hey forum any chance of some sort of a reply to the suggestions made here?

its been like a week at this stage. so some feedback would be nice

[Psi Kiya Trist]

hey forum any chance of some sort of a reply to the suggestions made here?

its been like a week at this stage. so some feedback would be nice

it's been a week, and people are still filtering in...

~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~

[Hammond]

and is there a point to that post?