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Raven wrote:so now not only descension is a joke but the smaller players get a handicap on people who are already way bigger.......jeez....obvious...

Mojo Rising wrote:DMU-LF conversion rate should not change, especially not based on the Max LF stat. It is akin to the increasing of the fleets cost. You are punishing those that invested in LF. The suggestion that I made to you several months ago (when no one was above level 500 in anything) was to exponentially increase the costs of levels above 500. Now you have levels close to 700. Increasing the DMU - LF conversion rate is just punishing the larger players (and believe me, we have been punished enough.)

Mojo Rising wrote:1.) Not sure how possible this is but, find the highest level in each stat currently in the game. Choose a nice round number slightly above that. Above that level in that particular stat, the costs increase exponentially (a factor of ten will probably do). If that is too "code-heavy", stats above 700 get increased exponentially. It affects EVERYONE equally and fairly (imagine an update that does that?)

Mojo Rising wrote:2.) Resource planets: the overwhelming majority (read: the quick ascenders) want them protected. Remember, it works both ways: if yours are protected, so are mine. I will abstain from further discussion on this issue until Forum definitively states that he is going to change the way it is now.

Mojo Rising wrote:3.) Descension: a lot of folks are now complaining that descension will become easier if the LF stats are raised. Well, considering that descension is IMPOSSIBLE currently, I would say that that is a GOOD thing. I don't expect descension to be a one hit affair (except in the most extreme of cases where the person hasn't played EVER) but I do expect it to be possible without the expenditure of tens of thousands of Attack Turns. I like the fact that, if you play the game, it will still be hard to descend you, but if you don't, it gets much easier.

Mojo Rising wrote:4.) Vacation modes: Ascension and main vacation modes HAVE to be linked. If you are on vacation, you are on vacation. There is no two ways about it. And, this question goes out to Forum: how exactly is it that an ascended being on vacation is able to grant an ascended blessing or bonuses of any kind to its associated main realm? Also, if you are on vacation mode in ascension, your ascended weaponry should lose some of its potency daily until they reach the status of normal weapons. When you come off vacation mode in ascension, the weaponry returns to normal at the same rate. Too many people for too long have ignored/flaunted the fact that, even though main and ascension are linked, there is no penalty for not playing the one with the other. I would like to see that changed.

Mojo Rising wrote:5.) If you are going to make wholesale changes to the server, allow everyone a 24-48 hour period to make "adjustments" to their account, ie redistribute levels and such. I mean, it is only fair. It would give those of us to whom you are probably going to give a royal screwing to at least some measure of control how BADLY we get screwed. And it would give some of the smaller accounts who perhaps invested "unwisely" at the beginning to "rework" their accounts. In effect, we would be able to sell back our levels in some stats to redistribute them to other stats. Otherwise, you are going to have a full-scale mutiny on your hands, no matter what you do.

Hensenshi wrote:

Mojo Rising wrote:3.) Descension: a lot of folks are now complaining that descension will become easier if the LF stats are raised. Well, considering that descension is IMPOSSIBLE currently, I would say that that is a GOOD thing. I don't expect descension to be a one hit affair (except in the most extreme of cases where the person hasn't played EVER) but I do expect it to be possible without the expenditure of tens of thousands of Attack Turns. I like the fact that, if you play the game, it will still be hard to descend you, but if you don't, it gets much easier.

Mojo just reiterated my point. If you're going to play, I think descending you should be hard, but if you refuse to play, it should be a rather easy ordeal.

Mojo Rising wrote:4.) Vacation modes: Ascension and main vacation modes HAVE to be linked. If you are on vacation, you are on vacation. There is no two ways about it. And, this question goes out to Forum: how exactly is it that an ascended being on vacation is able to grant an ascended blessing or bonuses of any kind to its associated main realm? Also, if you are on vacation mode in ascension, your ascended weaponry should lose some of its potency daily until they reach the status of normal weapons. When you come off vacation mode in ascension, the weaponry returns to normal at the same rate. Too many people for too long have ignored/flaunted the fact that, even though main and ascension are linked, there is no penalty for not playing the one with the other. I would like to see that changed.

At least remove full bonuses when you go on vacation mode.

Mojo Rising wrote:

Raven wrote:so now not only descension is a joke but the smaller players get a handicap on people who are already way bigger.......jeez....obvious...

Descension is already a joke, Raven. We are trying to fix it so that is NOT a joke but something to be taken seriously. Sorry if for, two years, you and your alliance have been taking advantage of the fact that you didn't have to play ascension and still received full bonuses to your main account. I don't EVER recall you saying squat about that, asking for it to be changed. Why not? It was unfair to other accounts, and you are all about fairness. So take up the banner. Fairness to all accounts. Playing ascension should give you extra bonuses in main then. If you get bonuses for not playing, you should get extra bonuses FOR playing. And, the better you play, the more bonuses you get. I mean, it's only fair to compensate for the lousy quick ascenders who have had a year or more to build their accounts over mine. I should be able to catch up.

Raven wrote:

Mojo Rising wrote:

Raven wrote:so now not only descension is a joke but the smaller players get a handicap on people who are already way bigger.......jeez....obvious...

Descension is already a joke, Raven. We are trying to fix it so that is NOT a joke but something to be taken seriously. Sorry if for, two years, you and your alliance have been taking advantage of the fact that you didn't have to play ascension and still received full bonuses to your main account. I don't EVER recall you saying squat about that, asking for it to be changed. Why not? It was unfair to other accounts, and you are all about fairness. So take up the banner. Fairness to all accounts. Playing ascension should give you extra bonuses in main then. If you get bonuses for not playing, you should get extra bonuses FOR playing. And, the better you play, the more bonuses you get. I mean, it's only fair to compensate for the lousy quick ascenders who have had a year or more to build their accounts over mine. I should be able to catch up.

The problem is you only see people who are up to your lvl as playing......some of us just didnt want to go insane on ascension or just couldnt......[i quitted 6months......i know that what i did but it shouldnt mean i have to be punished forever for it.....]
your reward is already here you can sell Dmu like HE and Hen are doing and just build your main account with that.....one having build his whole main account from it and the other bought insane planet def and lvls for his main account......that should be enough......

Asc right now is not a joke maybe for you cause you can reach anyone......atleast no non allies.....you can hit people but you chose to ally with them thats your choice......You want asc to work how it does currently only keeping the benefits of these kind of play and wanna get rid of the bad side......it should be you cant hit anyone in your range and planets can be destroyable or you can hit everyone but your capped at descension and planets are safe......you want the good of both sides......thats gonna destroy this game i hope admin will see that 10 people wnat it like this [and some asskissers] and 2k people want to see some protection against to big accounts made IN TIME not by big ascension....the server should have been capped ages ago but you all just kept your mouth shut cause it was in your street......now dont whine if admin makes changes wich will give others a chance to catch up......

Asc was ment to get better in Asc now its nothing more then 1h income from the top guys ......dont tell me how i should have played cause right now there is no even remotely chance of coming close using ascensions cause the server has been to fast for to long......

Mojo Rising wrote:My suggestions:

1.) Not sure how possible this is but, find the highest level in each stat currently in the game. Choose a nice round number slightly above that. Above that level in that particular stat, the costs increase exponentially (a factor of ten will probably do). If that is too "code-heavy", stats above 700 get increased exponentially. It affects EVERYONE equally and fairly (imagine an update that does that?)

Probably the fairest way to proceed

2.) Resource planets: the overwhelming majority (read: the quick ascenders) want them protected. Remember, it works both ways: if yours are protected, so are mine. I will abstain from further discussion on this issue until Forum definitively states that he is going to change the way it is now.

Not true.
Many, many active players gave up on this server over the past year because they were sick and tired of being extorted, massed or raided every week by the two power houses who help each other maintain control in this server.

3.) Descension: a lot of folks are now complaining that descension will become easier if the LF stats are raised. Well, considering that descension is IMPOSSIBLE currently, I would say that that is a GOOD thing. I don't expect descension to be a one hit affair (except in the most extreme of cases where the person hasn't played EVER) but I do expect it to be possible without the expenditure of tens of thousands of Attack Turns. I like the fact that, if you play the game, it will still be hard to descend you, but if you don't, it gets much easier.

If it is "impossible" to descend someone, how come so many players have been descended over the past 6 months in war?

4.) Vacation modes: Ascension and main vacation modes HAVE to be linked. If you are on vacation, you are on vacation. There is no two ways about it. And, this question goes out to Forum: how exactly is it that an ascended being on vacation is able to grant an ascended blessing or bonuses of any kind to its associated main realm? Also, if you are on vacation mode in ascension, your ascended weaponry should lose some of its potency daily until they reach the status of normal weapons. When you come off vacation mode in ascension, the weaponry returns to normal at the same rate. Too many people for too long have ignored/flaunted the fact that, even though main and ascension are linked, there is no penalty for not playing the one with the other. I would like to see that changed.

Vacation mod can not be linked because the top 20 players, who are all in the two power houses work together to control the server - Treaties, Naps, resources, preferential trading etc....
Not a complaint - just a statement of fact.

It is not possible to play Ascended server in war because the Two Power Houses completely and utterly control the Server.
Prime example is the current AE and DDE war...
A top ten power house (external to the war) massed the leader of AE and she had to set vacation to prevent her account from being decimated.

5.) If you are going to make wholesale changes to the server, allow everyone a 24-48 hour period to make "adjustments" to their account, ie redistribute levels and such. I mean, it is only fair. It would give those of us to whom you are probably going to give a royal screwing to at least some measure of control how BADLY we get screwed. And it would give some of the smaller accounts who perhaps invested "unwisely" at the beginning to "rework" their accounts. In effect, we would be able to sell back our levels in some stats to redistribute them to other stats. Otherwise, you are going to have a full-scale mutiny on your hands, no matter what you do.

Agreed

Robe wrote:If it is "impossible" to descend someone, how come so many players have been descended over the past 6 months in war?

Hensenshi wrote:@Raven: I stopped selling DMU when I reached 50m army. That was ages ago.

Robe wrote:If it is "impossible" to descend someone, how come so many players have been descended over the past 6 months in war?

And how many have been sat on constantly and not descended strictly because they had about 5 for max life force?

Mojo Rising wrote:How about Mojo Rising? Or maybe you could name him Joseph (Joe King) or Nicholas (Nick King). But seriously, congratulations! I have always liked the name Mark as well (Mark King). Oh and I most definitely will be on chat tomorrow. You can guarantee it.