June 29th updates RELEASED - comment here.

[Sylus]

I really have to say, that after playing with the updates for a while, there is one massive negative in my view.

There is simply too many turns available now. I'm literally throwing them away and I still have more than enough. I think the amount should be halved.

[MaxSterling]

the whole argument on the 10% resell of att weapons was mostly around ascension...
(newbies will have to find another commodity to use as a bank...i'll ensure something is available)

so - regards ascension - weapons are the only thing that 'auto sells' at 75% of retail, and put in the post-ascension bank.

in reality, this has happened all along, this just automates it a bit...so not really a 'game changer' just a 'process changer'....
and should address the ascension/weapons issue.

So let me see if I get this straight...
One still brokers away their naq, ATs, and UU... but will not sell off their weapons.
After ascending, they will still receive the equivalent of a supporter bonus + 75% of the value of the weapons that were on their account when they ascended?

I've already finished ascending, but I'm trying to clarify and verify this for members of our empire.

[Duderanch]

the whole argument on the 10% resell of att weapons was mostly around ascension...
(newbies will have to find another commodity to use as a bank...i'll ensure something is available)

so - regards ascension - weapons are the only thing that 'auto sells' at 75% of retail, and put in the post-ascension bank.

in reality, this has happened all along, this just automates it a bit...so not really a 'game changer' just a 'process changer'....
and should address the ascension/weapons issue.

So let me see if I get this straight...
One still brokers away their naq, ATs, and UU... but will not sell off their weapons.
After ascending, they will still receive the equivalent of a supporter bonus + 75% of the value of the weapons that were on their account when they ascended?

I've already finished ascending, but I'm trying to clarify and verify this for members of our empire.

Yeah, that seems to be it.

[stuff of legends]

suggest the fixes
what would you change, and to what values?

Bah wont matter how many AT's you can hold after this. Its not really a tip more like the balance has gone vertical.

Nempire has been suffering from a bad case of the no def/spies and big strikes... With several exceptions who do rebuild a fair chunk of them are finding out that sniping is no longer untouchable. Prime example of how it IS working and balanced.

i remember Chaos being like that alot at some points. How the hell is that working when all you need to do is sab, you dont have to build anything bar a covert level? the big issue here is that sniping is/will be worse than ever.
As for the change admin i assume trying out a 1.5 multiplier instead of 2 would be a good start, seeing as you can take 180k defence weapons from a 500k total on the first hit. Thus leaving it with 120k weps if its 1.5 multiplied.

@kerrigan send me your turns then. Some people actually play this as a war game.

[Sarevok]

i remember Chaos being like that alot at some points. How the hell is that working when all you need to do is sab, you dont have to build anything bar a covert level? the big issue here is that sniping is/will be worse than ever.
As for the change admin i assume trying out a 1.5 multiplier instead of 2 would be a good start, seeing as you can take 180k defence weapons from a 500k total on the first hit. Thus leaving it with 120k weps if its 1.5 multiplied.

So your telling me, with a covert level, no only do they stop sabotage, they also stop regular attacks which can be used to kill your covert agents? And somehow these snipers have large enough bank spaces, to hold multiple hundreds of trillions of Naq to purchase these super-high spy levels?

[renegadze]

i remember Chaos being like that alot at some points. How the hell is that working when all you need to do is sab, you dont have to build anything bar a covert level? the big issue here is that sniping is/will be worse than ever.
As for the change admin i assume trying out a 1.5 multiplier instead of 2 would be a good start, seeing as you can take 180k defence weapons from a 500k total on the first hit. Thus leaving it with 120k weps if its 1.5 multiplied.

So your telling me, with a covert level, no only do they stop sabotage, they also stop regular attacks which can be used to kill your covert agents? And somehow these snipers have large enough bank spaces, to hold multiple hundreds of trillions of Naq to purchase these super-high spy levels?

erm I believe there are some banks now in the 3 Quad region because of the updates, doesn't take a lot for a sniper to jump into an alliance with friends and make use of their bank upgrade bonus

[Sarevok]

erm I believe there are some banks now in the 3 Quad region because of the updates, doesn't take a lot for a sniper to jump into an alliance with friends and make use of their bank upgrade bonus

As long as no one catches them, thus extending the brand of "sniper" to the rest of the members in the alliance.

[stuff of legends]

Because covert levels are out by a factor of ten it doesnt take such a large one now to successfully sab. You dont even need a high covert level anyway.
And yes they will stop regular attacks. What the hell will they have trained that can be massed? part from a few hundred k spies which will be pointless to mass and maybe a small attack to raid.

[Ra]

I have a ? Why is there not some sort of bonus for alliances that dont join a house, and if there is what are they? If not then it seems very unfair to alliances who dont have any care to be a part of a house,, Should make a Im so tough our alliance dont need a house bonus ,


If this ? has been answered already Im sorry i missed it and will someone please tell me what the response was so i dont have to read all 24 pages of people crying they cant mass

thank you

LONE WOLF
With more and more benefit for alliances, and houses (which require alliance), the person in no alliance, thus no house, will receive a 'i am so tough i fight alone like chuck norris' bonus of 10% to natural DEFENSE and COVERT. This is ontop of any commander/no commander/own commander bonuses, and deals specificly with alliance or no alliance. It takes 24hours for the bonus to kick in after becoming lone wolf.

[odji nsu]

thaks ra
i id know that but what bonus dose an alliance get when there not in a house,

dont seem right that a small alliance who dosent want to be in a house be with out any bonus when all this alliance in a house get one

[BMMJ13]

thaks ra
i id know that but what bonus dose an alliance get when there not in a house,

dont seem right that a small alliance who dosent want to be in a house be with out any bonus when all this alliance in a house get one

I agree, there should be something for the independent alliance, since there is something for the independent lone wolf. I'm not sure what the bonus should be as being a lone wolf player is a lot different than being in an alliance, deserving a bigger bonus than the house. Perhaps lone wolf alliances could get a specialty or something. Who knows.

[Rottenking]

thaks ra
i id know that but what bonus dose an alliance get when there not in a house,

dont seem right that a small alliance who dosent want to be in a house be with out any bonus when all this alliance in a house get one

I agree, there should be something for the independent alliance, since there is something for the independent lone wolf. I'm not sure what the bonus should be as being a lone wolf player is a lot different than being in an alliance, deserving a bigger bonus than the house. Perhaps lone wolf alliances could get a specialty or something. Who knows.

If your haveing problems joining one house out of the 6 and staying in it, either your doing something wrong, or someone really don't like you

[Rottenking]

When two houses opposite each other, IE Science/Faith, isn't nox supposed to be voided out?

I belive so
but only if both have been in the house 5 days

[odji nsu]

thaks ra
i id know that but what bonus dose an alliance get when there not in a house,

dont seem right that a small alliance who dosent want to be in a house be with out any bonus when all this alliance in a house get one

I agree, there should be something for the independent alliance, since there is something for the independent lone wolf. I'm not sure what the bonus should be as being a lone wolf player is a lot different than being in an alliance, deserving a bigger bonus than the house. Perhaps lone wolf alliances could get a specialty or something. Who knows.

If your haveing problems joining one house out of the 6 and staying in it, either your doing something wrong, or someone really don't like you

either way they should have a bonus for any said alliance not in a house, im sure there are alliances that no one likes or wants in a house, hell i see many alliances trying to control all houses, and to think people thought these updates would even out the game, it is just making it more controlled by uber powers and snipers even easer to snipe,

[Travis Dane]

I am curious since i am about to ascend soon, has anyone ascended and taken notice of what now happens to any weps that you still have - do you truly get the 75% of weapon value, told us by forum, returned into our bank on top of the 3.6tril we would normally get after ascending?

Also, is that 75% for all weps or jus the strike weps and reg resale value of def weps?