changes to ascension

[TheRook]

Good names:

Tyr

P.S. Basing cost on max life is a bad idea, as I mentioned in an earlier post.

1) i like.
2) what you base it on? it HAS to go up...

Base it on LF but once the armysize is above 50-100mill... by which point they should have an income of AT LEAST 5bill/turn and will have had the chance up upgrade there stats a lot before that...

TheRook

edit My gf and I are currently thinking the name Olliver but we dont want to say yes thats the name until after the baby is born. In my mind because dont want to call it olliver to find that on the day its born or 1-2 weeks before some mass murderer called olliver has been arrested or something! so wait til after its born and then check the papers and name it

and the baby certainly wont be having a name like Flower or Apple or Picnic Basket or be called after the place where it was conceived because celebrities are supid when it comes to names...

[TheRook]

the reason behind having ascended armysize as a start point because by that armysize you will have in infrastructure in place to have upgraded quite a lot and have a nice large income... because otherwise your going to cirpple those who bought LF who now have to pay a lot more even at a really small armysize...

TheRook

[Tekki]

as far as someone from the top ten massing the leader of the AE, I personally see it as protecting whatever alliance it is that the masser represents. Currently AE is harboring an enemy of both DD and Omega and they have been asked to boot this person on a number of occasions or suffer the consequences (this person, by the way, is undescendable because of his pathetic LF score and the way descension is set up now). I am surprised it has taken this long for the leader of AE to be massed in ascension.

How is massing me 'protecting' any alliance, especially without any demands being made to actually tell me why I was massed. I was massed by High Empty, then various other Omega's came in to help. We weren't at war. I had not attacked any Omega players. I'd only attacked those we were at war with, so there was no call for the sudden aggression except for the fact the big accounts all are allied and all protect each other, why else would Omega's be vulturing off an account that was in war with DDE?

[TheRook]

as far as someone from the top ten massing the leader of the AE, I personally see it as protecting whatever alliance it is that the masser represents. Currently AE is harboring an enemy of both DD and Omega and they have been asked to boot this person on a number of occasions or suffer the consequences (this person, by the way, is undescendable because of his pathetic LF score and the way descension is set up now). I am surprised it has taken this long for the leader of AE to be massed in ascension.

I have NEVER personally been asked to boot this person. So please don't tell me that i have been.

How is massing me 'protecting' any alliance, especially without any demands being made to actually tell me why I was massed.

lets ignore the alliance war situations going on...

Mojo is giving an example about undescendable people admittedly at the same time having a bit of a dig at AE but can we try to keep this discussion on getting good updates on the ascended server...

The Life Force situation needs changing... and even people with the ability to transfer from the LF Cache to Life Force Reserves means that people will still be undescendable... due to just having a purely LF based ascended account.

TheRook

[Tekki]

as far as someone from the top ten massing the leader of the AE, I personally see it as protecting whatever alliance it is that the masser represents. Currently AE is harboring an enemy of both DD and Omega and they have been asked to boot this person on a number of occasions or suffer the consequences (this person, by the way, is undescendable because of his pathetic LF score and the way descension is set up now). I am surprised it has taken this long for the leader of AE to be massed in ascension.

I have NEVER personally been asked to boot this person. So please don't tell me that i have been.

How is massing me 'protecting' any alliance, especially without any demands being made to actually tell me why I was massed.

lets ignore the alliance war situations going on...

The point I was trying to make Rook, was that various non war related parties decided to attack my account and to save anything I had to go on vacation. However, if it was linked to main then I couldn't have and would have had to watch non war related parties destroying my account because they felt like it just so that I could direct our war in main.

I took my bonus losses and still am by taking vacation in ascended, so it's a fair trade and they should not be linked.

The other reason vacation should not be linked is that it's possible to PPT in main. Now if I take a short holiday (like a weekend away somewhere), I can PPT in main but not in ascension hence ascended account goes on vacation and PPT in main earns me naq there and I'm happy happy. Not great but better than nothing.

[Orpheus]

maybe there should exist an option that IF your main account is on PPT for weekend away like Tekki said, you should be able to have PPT in ascention aswell (no SS or USS, just PPT).
But i believe it is not fair for ppl that ascend, don't even bother about their ascention account and still benefit of 15% bonus in main. That bonus should be reduced to make it fair towards those ppl that play the game as it was set up to be played.
Or the bonuses for the active players increase more on main. This based on the times you log into ascention account.

[TheRook]

maybe there should exist an option that IF your main account is on PPT for weekend away like Tekki said, you should be able to have PPT in ascention aswell (no SS or USS, just PPT).
But i believe it is not fair for ppl that ascend, don't even bother about their ascention account and still benefit of 15% bonus in main. That bonus should be reduced to make it fair towards those ppl that play the game as it was set up to be played.
Or the bonuses for the active players increase more on main. This based on the times you log into ascention account.

I agree

VAC on Ascension = No Ascended Blessing in Main and only 1/5th or 1/4th of the Main Bonus
Descended = Remove Ascended Blessing and leave it at half the Main Bonus.

This will mean for those actually on vacation they wont care about not having any bonus as they will probably be on vac on both servers...

but for those sat on vac hiding so they dont get descended they will actually be losing more than if they didnt hide on VAC or get descended... meaning more reason for them to be off permenant vac in ascension and also reason for those who never log onto ascension after ascending who stay in practically permenant vacation.


Thus forcing people to log on and either play or just not stay on vac mode...


TheRook

[Mato]

VAC on Ascension = No Ascended Blessing in Main and only 1/5th or 1/4th of the Main Bonus
Descended = Remove Ascended Blessing and leave it at half the Main Bonus.

TheRook

Leave Vacation the way it is. Losing 50% of ascended bunus is a fair penalty if you ask me.

[Orpheus]

VAC on Ascension = No Ascended Blessing in Main and only 1/5th or 1/4th of the Main Bonus
Descended = Remove Ascended Blessing and leave it at half the Main Bonus.

TheRook

Leave Vacation the way it is. Losing 50% of ascended bunus is a fair penalty if you ask me.

the suggestion made was not meant as penalty but as a reward to the ppl that make the effort to play both, but if the benefit for vacation should go down or the bonus for being active should be higher is a completely different discussion

[Mojo Rising]

DMU - LF conversion rate can not go up based on size, influence power, charisma, production, or LF because that is just punishing the good players for being good again (hence the reason I went off on you in the first place). I don't see why it has to go up at all. You can just increase the cost of levels exponentially once players reach a certain level to "put the brakes on them". Let me give you an example of what would happen basing it on any one of the stats that you suggest. Well you already know what would happen if you based it on size (and by default, if you based it on influence power). Basing it on any of the other stats would make whichever stat you based it on absolutely worthless anymore as people would forgo that stat and just work on the others to increase their income. Those that have a particularly low number in the "chosen" stat would have a decided advantage over those of us that didn't. They would be able to increase their army size and income to epic proportions and outstrip us in levels very quickly (six months or less). Granted, since we were no longer capable of growing, we would probably put a stop to that as we have nothing else to do now.

Jason, you have taken everything else away from us. If you take our ability to grow away, then you leave a bunch of huge accounts with nothing to do but take out their frustration on the lower accounts. It takes one REALLY good ascension or perhaps two exceptional ascensions to make your account self-sufficient in ascension. I can't help it that people didn't play ascension the way I played ascension. I played to win. Others played to get bonuses in main. One of us chose wisely; the other chose poorly. Please don't make me be in the latter group. You even said at the beginning of ascension server that it was a "high risk/high reward" type of server. Still waiting on the high rewards part. I have a suggestion to those who don't want to play the server. Descend yourselves now and be done with it. If you want to call a mulligan, fine. Leave ascension server. And for those people who don't want main and ascension linked, fine. Give up your bonuses and your ascended weaponry and blessing and be done with it. But if you are going to hold onto one you have to accept the other.

Ascension is LINKED to main; ascension is NOT main. It was intended (and correct me if I am wrong Jason) to be an entirely new gaming experience. Some of us embraced that concept; others merely viewed it as a way to gain more power on main. If you change the game wholecloth right now and give more of an advantage to the smaller players than they currently have right now, it is going to cause the destruction of the game anyway, because the top accounts will just sit on the lower accounts until they go away. Well, I can only speak for myself. Either that or I will just choose a protege and start funnelling DMU to them to make them the most god-awful powerful account in the game and then when they cannot be caught no matter what Forum does, there will be another hue and cry and the villagers will gather in the streets with their torches begging for the monster to be destroyed.

Short of resetting both main and ascension (if you reset one, you have to reset the other; they are linked), there is no "simple" fix.

[Mojo Rising]

VAC on Ascension = No Ascended Blessing in Main and only 1/5th or 1/4th of the Main Bonus
Descended = Remove Ascended Blessing and leave it at half the Main Bonus.

TheRook

Leave Vacation the way it is. Losing 50% of ascended bunus is a fair penalty if you ask me.

No it isn't because 1.) you keep your ascended weaponry and 2.) you keep your ascended blessing. If you lost 50% of those as well, yes, vacation mode in ascension would be a "penalty" to your main account. As it is right now, it is horribly unbalanced in favor of the quick ascenders. Jason, can you please tell me how it is possible for me to have been descended on development server when there hasn't been a turn progression since you opened it up. I had no less than five or six descension attacks directed against me and there hasn't been one turn change in development server. Thank you.

[Robe]

maybe there should exist an option that IF your main account is on PPT for weekend away like Tekki said, you should be able to have PPT in ascention aswell (no SS or USS, just PPT).
But i believe it is not fair for ppl that ascend, don't even bother about their ascention account and still benefit of 15% bonus in main. That bonus should be reduced to make it fair towards those ppl that play the game as it was set up to be played.
Or the bonuses for the active players increase more on main. This based on the times you log into ascention account.

This is a great idea. I have to travel with my work and sometimes can't log on for several days. So I also set PPT in main and Vacation in Ascended.

It would be fantastic if PPT was linked between main and ascended.
However, if that is not going to happen, then Vacation Mode must remain separate or many people will not be able to play.

[Corsair]

Mojo whether you do small ascensions or large ascension shouldnt make a difference you should be able to compete regardless. What I mean by this is that if you do a small ascension you should be able to catch up to the big guys given enough time the same as if you do a large ascension you can catch up in main with enough time and work, it shouldnt matter either way.

The only comparable you can make with your arguments are those that ascended at the same time as you all those that ascended after are at a major disadvantage and shouldnt be penalised for it. The only reason you are so big is because you ascended early in ascension, Forum has to look at the sustainability of SGW and with you just sitting their like a big fat all powerful gloating thing on top isnt good for sustainability, all those players that could be equal to you were decimated and had their growth stifled by you and your friends so that they couldnt equal you in power and threaten your power base you and your friends made the server what it is by playing like that now its time you to reaped the consequences. For to long you and your clique lobbied Forum for updates that suited your clique and your playing style now its time for change.

Players should have the freedom to chose the style that they wish to play and not conform to your ideals. If these updates were in the game to begin with you wouldnt be whining now you would have just gotten on with it. As to your argument about people forgoing a stat to get around the issue of LF>DMU conversion rate just make the power ups have a dynamic cap until they are all equal ie if you have a charisma of 100 and all others are at 5 you cant upgrade your charisma until the rest are within say 20 levels of charisma. but again that is making people conform to the ideals of a balanced account which doesnt happen in main ei if you want to be a pure planet stealer you can be if you want to play a raider you can and you can tailor your account to suit your style of play.

[Robe]

You have taken everything else away from us. If you take our ability to grow away, then you leave a bunch of huge accounts with nothing to do but take out their frustration on the lower accounts. It takes one REALLY good ascension or perhaps two exceptional ascensions to make your account self-sufficient in ascension. I can't help it that people didn't play ascension the way I played ascension. I played to win. Others played to get bonuses in main.

This is a gross generalisation. I know many people that tried very hard to play ascended.

Here is the thing...

If you get extorted, massed or raided on a regular basis for a year and you can't put a scratch on the person doing it because they ascended 6 months before you even started playing SGW,

or

because they belong to a power house that protects them....then most sane people give up and go find a game where they can actually compete.

[blahh]

well hopefuly admin will make ascended a bit more competitive. and ppl start playn it again.

@mojo
you were taking out your frustrations on smaller accounts be4 so that probably cant get any worse, with new updates only better spec if they make income planets safe..

about growing, yeah i played, i worked, i also didnt do minimal ascensions either, but you see evrytime i grew a bit, one of you fellas found me as a juciy target and destroyed my account took my planets and i had to go again and again... (note i had a better def than most my sized cop players) and than it was again a months work for covert 2 months for def, and so on... the cycle continued.

PPL stoped playn cause of the situation that you guys created. True its all good for you and congrats you did win, but than dont complain about no competition The top is now shared mostly by omega and dd, if you want some serious competition or even war, you have opnonents worthy of your strength ( not i m not sayn the 2 fractions should go to war, just that they have the ability to go), but rather than that you prefer striking at ppl who cant strike back, than to risk a posible damage to you.

so you see its not totaly our fault its small, we just werent in a position to grow, ever, because we had the wrong tags on us or no tags...

as for vacation and stuf, i agree it should be kept at the way it is now its not perfect but any modifyn it would probably do more damage than good!
@mojo on this point we could argue that if you go on vac on main(like you did during the war),while being active on ascended all your powerups should than reset in ascended if you wanna take away all the weponary blessings and bonuses (literaly puting the guy on vac in worse position than any other non ascended rase), so you see we can throw poo at eachother for vac thing for eternity, but i thik its best to agree that VAC should be left as it is.