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the way i see it. all sides are bored? why not stop this war, build fat accounts again and re-do war in couple of months (i mean it would happen anyway)

just saying gratz to reborn who sabbed me

InR wrote:the way i see it. all sides are bored? why not stop this war, build fat accounts again and re-do war in couple of months (i mean it would happen anyway)

just saying gratz to reborn who sabbed me

We grow even while we war, so doesnt matter if we are in war or not

i know osiris, but since everybody is "bored" just my 2 cents

D3ath wrote:

Lord Yojimbo wrote:Well said math (especially the second last post). Gone are the days where DDE used to conduct themselves with some glimmer of respect and decency on these forums.

Talk about making a show of themselves I actually pity the way that they are so comfortable to degrade themselves and others on a public forum without an ounce of respect for themselves not to mind others

Sad Day for DDE - so different from the days I was in HC and Diplomatic contact with TDD while I was in Nemesis and Aeon Kings

its all cause our opponents dragged us down to their level and now is trying to beat us with their experience

We never dragged you down anywhere. You chose to treat all of your enemies in this manner. You can blame OE for making you nasty, you can blame whoever you want. The only people truly to blame for your actions are you.

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reborn wrote:

Mathlord wrote:Actually it was you yourself that said massing your defenses was a waste of turns.

reborn wrote:Its pointless and a waste of turns, might be in war but while you waste your friends turns, they are not growing because they are feeding your habbit. Were we have all grown in MS, some a couple Covert lvls, some a couple A/C lvls , as well as planets.

Funny isn't it? Though I guess it's typical for the guilty to be the most vocal denier.

That's rather funny, only reading and quoting some of what I put, the whole thing was massing a 500 bil -1 tri defence is a waste of turns, be it TaF or DDE side, that's were I added if u want to waste your friends turns then so be it , we do not have tons of ppl feeding us to do such things while you have quite a few inactives login once a week to feed you.

Not any part did I say we are the ones with the 500 bil or 1 tri defences, I said 95% of TaF is on many different posts, its just rather boring then only getting massed from you maybe once or twice a week then have to w8 again.

Ive been all over TaF on ascended past week and in main last 2 days

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Again trying to turn things in your favour not really great for you Math

Here ya go Math everything I put not just a little snip to suit your way and trying to twist

reborn wrote:What im implying Math is not that hard to work out really.

Your beating on about how you , mass all this stuff and we should do it too. But the fact is just you, and your whole alliance feeds you, not you doing it off your own back all the time.

You might feel its great massing a 1 tri defence or a 500 bil defence, because well your fed all this free UU or free turns.

Now we look at it another way, while we do mass bigger defence, not all of us will feed just 1 account for them to go around massing 500 bil -1 tri defences.

Its pointless and a waste of turns, might be in war but while you waste your friends turns, they are not growing because they are feeding your habbit. Were we have all grown in MS, some a couple Covert lvls, some a couple A/C lvls , as well as planets.

So to sum it up we as a whole been growing still , while all those inactives feeding you to mass these 1 tri defence have grown nothing, wonder why DDE hold almost half of 1 page for the last month? We don't feed 1 player.

Your Taf team play is to work to feed YOUR account.

DDE team play is to ALL grow.

I think I know what Team I rather be on.

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Now let's talk about this. I do not twist people's words. It's funny why people always assume simply because I show where you say something you previously declared you did not say that I was twisting your words.

My comment a couple pages back was that DDE members themselves were stating their defenses weren't worth massing. That was exactly what you stated when you said I was wasting TAF turns massing DDE defenses.

Now we can talk about the full post you made again and how ridiculous it was, but we did that a good long while back and I'm tired of retreading old silliness.

I look forward to seeing you build something on ascended and I look forward to saying hello to your build on main.

@ Kikaz: I'm sorry to see you go, do not be a stranger and congratulations on the twins!

Kikaz wrote:Well this war bores me.. only Mathlord and sometimes dgb and norbe ever mass the things I build.. and on the other side it's just HE and ETL..

So I'm going to just collect miners for a few months and see how far I can beat plague.

When I plague so hard I start to not grow any more (15 mill UP) I'll build the biggest defense the game has ever seen.

And after that gets massed, i'll most likely sell my account and quit.

It's been fun TF.

I consider a lot of you friends I even have Greg and Saul on Facebook, (be happy I ignored 99% of the gatewars requests i got)with twins on the way in June and my daughter starting school and me going into a permanents position finally, I don't think i'll have much time to play after April.

With 16 billion billion kills and 24 billion losses and though i dont know my ascended server stats having had 3 ascended accounts this war.. reborn and I killed probaby 50 billion planets a piece in the first week, even making tyran perma vac mode, I think I've payed enough for starting this war. Went from a brand new NG main account to top 15 ME, rank 3 MS in the game and probably the best planets.

Cheers to whoever takes the defense I'm going to build in February, it will be massive.

Hey mate congrats on the to be twins be good be safe and have fun mate.

InR wrote:i know osiris, but since everybody is "bored" just my 2 cents

tbh your right bud

wars should only last a few weeks , they get stupid and boring. and kill everyone outside of them lol.

wait who isnt in war pre much ?

the initial 2-3 weeks of a war is the best

big stats huge online fights


exceptionns of course lol...

Mathlord wrote: Now let's talk about this. I do not twist people's words. It's funny why people always assume simply because I show where you say something you previously declared you did not say that I was twisting your words.

My comment a couple pages back was that DDE members themselves were stating their defenses weren't worth massing. That was exactly what you stated when you said I was wasting TAF turns massing DDE defenses.

Now we can talk about the full post you made again and how ridiculous it was, but we did that a good long while back and I'm tired of retreading old silliness.

I look forward to seeing you build something on ascended and I look forward to saying hello to your build on main.

@ Kikaz: I'm sorry to see you go, do not be a stranger and congratulations on the twins!

No Math what I said was I was bored of you asking over and over for us to mass the defences in TAF, that being 500-1 tri defences for 95% of your empire, some even less, even your own members said you do go on about it a bit.

I also said if you just give me the turns you get for free I would waste them on your defences, because that's what they are a waste. Not any part did I say you were wasting turns on massing DDE members I said about you wasting turns on the 1 tri defences, now that can be in DDE I would say there is some but you also post enough crap in Omega tread too.

Most of us active ppl that do fight sit days 5-6 even upto 18 tri defences for days before we see any attacks, now if you just shared some of your empire turns out instead of massing these 500 bil 1 tri defences in any empire , maybe others could have some fun too.

This game is a past time for fun is it not? Even if its a war game, but I have ppl from both sides yes this includes your own side for months saying how their bored of it, now being bored we at least build stuff for them, but we rarely get to see them because as we get told they have nothing to fight with or are just to damm bored with it and cba. If you just read some of your own members post on here hinting at the war being boring, some of these ppl I speak too.

you can't see what's in front of your own face you rather just take all u can post about massing all these stuff because you got for free while your own team mates saying on Skype how they been pissed bored with this for months.

Maybe a post like this will maybe get you take a step back and think for a second, in fact that's to any side, I did say this to you months ago too on Skype but you said back then hmmm

[spoiler][06/08/2014 21:33:38] Josh: lots of ppl leaving
[06/08/2014 21:33:39] High Empty: they wouldn't
[06/08/2014 21:33:49] Josh: its a shame really
[06/08/2014 21:33:53] Fallen Gabriel: (bandit)
[06/08/2014 21:33:58] robert_paul97: shoot a print screen;)
[06/08/2014 21:33:59] High Empty: and it's not people leaving
it's people ina war not rebuild large
[06/08/2014 21:34:08] Mathlord TA: there are people leaving
[06/08/2014 21:34:14] Mathlord TA: I mean...look at empire sizes
[06/08/2014 21:34:15] robert_paul97: your vaulthe
[06/08/2014 21:34:15] Josh: but noone wants to sit down and say lads noone is winning how about we just end this before we end the game
[06/08/2014 21:34:18] Josh: but meh
[06/08/2014 21:34:24] High Empty: lol
[06/08/2014 21:34:26] Mathlord TA: I'd rather end the game Josh
[06/08/2014 21:34:27] High Empty: josh i tried[/spoiler]


Any tom , **Filtered** or harry can hit 1 farm and build a bigger defence yet most in your empire cba, that doesn't mean there is some like that in DDE, but as I was talking about your empire and the whole reason why this war started because your recuiting farms that couldn't even be assed to put a defence up then. Sat with hundreds of bill's out when 50 bil was a gd hit then sat with 0 defence, then when someone hit it getting a pm not from them but else were asking them to be brokered and not the ppl that lost it.

Now you can say there is some in DDE that don't build, I can not agure with that, but as I stated just a few days ago, DDE had over half of its members filled with page 1 and then another 12 on page 2. That's not filled with 500 bil or 1 tri defences.

As for building on ascended, got bored of that too building 6-7 times a day to be massed or sabbed from ppl with less defence than I have atm that being 1 quad.

So if you lot cba to put up a defence why do you expect me too?


Will be w8ing for your to try and twist that post for your own liking too.

Now let's be realistic Reborn. DDE currently has four people on page one. Three are on PPT and one is in perg. You have four people on page two. The only person off PPT is you.

It's not a question on if DDE has "a few" people that don't build. The vast majority of your empire builds next to nothing. On a usual massing run of TDD, an alliance that still has almost a full page of people, I am lucky to see 5-6 defenses. More often than not half of those are under a tril and usually all of them are sab targets except for [DC] D3ath who buys glory weapons which you have to mass (that jerk...you know while I love TDD being in House Aker because it makes massing them so much easier, those glory weapons are the only reason I regret letting you guys keep it).

Mayhem has seen the most consistent defenses since the end of Furyans, though I guess you guys are now slowly moving over to DXI with KOS. Even with Mayhem though, it is a lucky day to see three things worth massing. This concept that DDE is gloriously still building great things that are rarely getting touched is comical.

Now let's talk about the reason this war started. It wasn't because of the 0 defenses in TAAE. We had a couple of those. The reason both Omega and DDE wanted to mass TAF was because of our large defenses. We had almost a year of peace in which we built a very nice selection of large defenses and your membership just couldn't stand not being able to mass them. Now did we have people leave out huge amounts of naq behind those defenses? Of course. Case in point Kikaz "farming" the guy with the 100 tril defense. That's peacetime when you have NAP'd most of the people that would consider farming. But naq out or no naq out, this war was going to happen. Too many people couldn't stand not having more juicy massing targets and too many people wanted a server war to end all wars.

I will give you credit for how hard you are pushing the idea that all of TF's turns end up in my account. I mean I admit I'm a pretty awesome person that people just love to give things too (that's what my ego tells me) but to assume that the 30-60k turns I use in a week on you guys is (1) all donated and (2) all of TF's turns is adorable.

It is a nice marketing strategy though...look at TF over there...if you join them you just give up your own ability to play to support this crazy guy wasting your stuff. Compare that with DDE where we do nothing so you can do nothing however you want! I kid...somewhat.

I am forever grateful for the assistance I get from my friends and Terran Family. I am forever appreciative at our power to, as always, work together to accomplish great things. Where each part of the overall machine does what they do best to achieve that goal. Are there less than active in people on our side of the war? Obviously. If you ever actually dared look in a mirror at your own empire, you'd see the vast inactivity as well. We both can agree on OE's activity level haha. That's what war is in SGW. The people with the stronger accounts and the stomach for longer wars are the ones that keep fighting while people with smaller accounts help where they can or trail off in activity. This has been the same for the entire duration of the game.

I do love how you pick out certain bit but not read it. I did not say DDE atm with current stats I said last week here you go again for your hard of reading skills, picking out what you want to see.

reborn wrote: So to sum it up we as a whole been growing still , while all those inactives feeding you to mass these 1 tri defence have grown nothing, wonder why DDE hold almost half of 1 page for the last month? We don't feed 1 player.

I am not also saying TF feeding you I said TaF , and that's not me coming up with stuff as you quite righty said you do get fed turns and uu.

I never said any amount I said your get enough free stuff, that's what your own members said, maybe they will come on on post it and say who told me, I wont go saying out names , not the way I am.

They say its just feed to mostly you and chacho , now I take what ppl tell me at some face value because what reason them telling me that would lying do.

You might say this started out because some ppl wanted to mass, that's your view, but that's your side of the view, I myself couldn't give a rats ass about ME, what I went to war for was because of the farms being recuited sitting with hundreds of bills out when a normal hit was 50 bil.

Hard to care about massing when I never built a strike till this war.

Your view was also Mayhem had a part of this that's why you started massing them first , which they didn't , even Rod their own leader said so himself. But I guess you just take that as him lying there too.

I notice you don't disagree you rather just watch this game were we play for a past time for fun just to die, because you rather just take what you can from others to feed your need, yes ppl are leaving from all empires.

But your empire is much bigger and if your just took some time to look at some of your ppls last logins you can see for yourself your killing your own empire quite well. Oh I shouldn't know that forgot I do not talk to your side.

how about for the month of december we lay down our arms so to speak, everyone rebuilds and we go again from January

just a thought.

Having apparently been the reason this war started...

Here's exactly why there's a war..

Loki, bioflick, Duderanch, coyle, Z E R O and myself left mH and created Jotunheim to start a war (Surprise! it wasn't TAF we just rolled with it and started troll mode on forums. For the Lulz of course. )

As we were farming to fill our banks for the war we planned a month later, we farmed TAF too much.

Which pissed off TAF because we were all freshly out of mH. SOME of TAF thought "They're still **Filtered** ponies!! Breaking NAP!! Ponies must die!"

Then I built an 80t strike doubled it and farmed just about every large defense in the game.

At this point I farmed 40T off a 100t defense in TA.
The initial TAF thought turned into a general consensus.

They massed us and cH and atempted to mass mH but were thwarted by an alliance PPT.

Loki was online and made a war topic beating TAF to the punch.

DDE a few days later decided mHs and DDE'S one goes to war the other goes to war Pact should come into play.

KJ declared war.

Poor little Andrew (High Empty) got sad and jealous no one wanted to play with his huge MS, cov levels and duals
so OE declared war on both sides. (Or it could have been I was turn farming his 1t income on a 50t defense, who really cares.)

Hey look all the remaining Empires are at war.

Fast forward several months High Empty gets sad no one is building big because he can mass 100t defenses with 15m UU.

HE declare's war on all large stats chasing ME.

Fast forward a year, the games dying out and at least 6 other people have the same planet set up and close to the same MS as HE. We're still locked in a war and cash spenders are the only ones that build big.

Believe whatever the hell you want that's how it started in a nutshell.

Regardless of whether you started the war or not Kikaz, the war would have started at the end of the month. No NAPs were getting renewed as the leadership of OE and DDE can attest. All Jotunheim did was stir the pot and get the party started a few weeks early. High Empty had pledged for months that he would even quit Omega and go mass everyone (OE included) if that got the ball rolling. KJ wanted to know if OE and TAF were to start a war because he wanted to start beforehand against either or both sides just to get the kills first. This was debated for months by HCs of all sides where some of us tried to maintain peace and others pushed for war. I'm sure every individual person had their own reason for pushing the boundaries and going to war, but that doesn't change the alliance leaderships and their decision making process.

For as long as this game has been going, TAF's general foreign policy is if you leave us alone, we leave you alone. We don't seek out war but if people bring war to us, we do what we can to ensure you think twice about starting another war. That is why we push for NAPs. Long-standing treaties that eliminate ALL attacks between two groups to prevent tension rising. There has never been a reason for any empire or alliance to need to farm TAF compared to the bajillion farms in the game especially as the game's active player base has shrunk and shrunk. Farming major alliances always has been and always will be simply an excuse to engage in conflict. When half of Mayhem's leadership including it's long-standing tag holder Duderanch left Mayhem to form an alliance with some "ex"-DDE and their first act was to go farm us (and I'm sure other people too) we took that seriously and when that farming became way over the top, it was an act of war. If Jotunheim had truly severed ties with Mayhem or DDE, their first act wouldn't have been to have more members of both alliances (including HC members who maintained their DDE HC member status) into the new alliance. We aren't that stupid to fall for that charade.

Now Reborn, there's a difference between people sending some resources when they can and the entire reserve of everything TAF (if you don't want to say TF fine) has getting given to my account or Chacho's account. You are attempting to turn one of the positive aspects of an alliance that works together into a negative and while I commend your persistence in the matter, it's still incredibly wrong.

Further, you do not have half of page one. The only time you have recently come ANYWHERE close to that is when you have all been on PPT waiting to get massed. I thank you for giving my friends and I things to kill.

Wars cause losses on both sides. That will always happen. Short wars never solve any issues and just encourage aggressors to start again. Do you know what TAF has always sought? Resolution. We've been fighting the same conflicts with the same people for almost 10 years. How is stopping and starting again resolving the conflict? How does that do anything except prolong our current situation as the game shrinks and shrinks and shrinks? We aren't looking to kill the game despite my bombastic statements I will make. We are simply looking to END this conflict and there's only one way that will ever happen.

haha it would be nice, but breaks dont happen in this game

MATHLORD wrote: If Jotunheim had truly severed ties with Mayhem or DDE, their first act wouldn't have been to have more members of both alliances (including HC members who maintained their DDE HC member status) into the new alliance. We aren't that stupid..

IF you actually read my post I just admitted we didn't sever ties.. but OUR purpose wasnt war with TAF - we are at war with the people we were planning to war anyways.. and they are pretty much dead now.

And yes Bioflick, Duders and I were mH High Council, as mHs war chief it sure has hell wasn't debated with us, we were pLanning war with Omega.

Who cares what the leadership of OE and DDE wanted for server war?

MaYHeM is and always will remain it's own alliance, we joined an empire once, it left a bad taste..

My farming may be the cause of it, but it wasn't the intention. I farmed OE a whole hell of a lot harder.

Turn farming HEs 1t income on a 50t income for 3 days.

He massed me but didn't declare war oddly.