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Re: changes in ascension/main going to production

Jack_Q_Neill wrote:hehe, phoenix, at least you don't have to worry about me, update screwed me up quite nicely, so i'm barely crossing 2 million planets per day :P


:( Its kinda hard to see how ive been "screwed over" because im still quite big. relativly, im majorly screwed over though..

Maybe not as much as you heh lol
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Re: changes in ascension/main going to production

~Phoenix~ wrote:Serenity the problem is yes I got higher planet count (160mil) but their production level is ALSO MUCH higher, so while I have mroe planets, theya re getting more income than me, and while they simply get nearly as many charisma then me, i still losing ground like 3mil planets a day to them, 10days thats 30mil planets. At the start they were below 100mil but now are like 125mil. So soon any income advantage I got is gone, since when their planets = my planets their production means im screwed. Not just one or 2 people either.. tos of people are moving up quickly..


Effect 2. Before updates I had like 2- 3mil planets a day, making a gap between 140 and 95 HUGE, now since we all got way over 10mil planets a day, the gap becomes tiny, just a few days worth, so instantly planets are useless.


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Re: changes in ascension/main going to production

Shouldnt have too too stay where I was mate.


But If I do, its upwards of 15mil UU and 20tril naq to get any serious advantage. Even then thats like 1days of the top3's DMU income.
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Re: changes in ascension/main going to production

~Phoenix~ wrote:Shouldnt have too too stay where I was mate.


But If I do, its upwards of 15mil UU and 20tril naq to get any serious advantage. Even then thats like 1days of the top3's DMU income.


yes but the server changes have given me quite a big boost... but I know to keep my growth and grow even more I need to ascend...

the thing is Phoenix if you dont ascend again you will still grow but be limited by your own developement on the server... to keep strong on the ascension server small to mid-range players will need to ascend... new people will be ascending with a quicker starting growth which means they will get more in their first ascension than I got in my first 6 due to higher APP rates for them... but I know when I ascend next I'm going to blitz past those people because I have the better knowledge of the server although they have a stats advantage at the start I aim to have more knowledge and then bring my stats above them


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edit also to stay where you were you still need to grow otherwise other people will always surpass you...
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Re: changes in ascension/main going to production

No amount of growing I do will keep me in my place lol, ascension ive already decided itll have to be.
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Re: changes in ascension/main going to production

~Phoenix~ wrote:No amount of growing I do will keep me in my place lol, ascension ive already decided itll have to be.


good :D if everyone needs to ascend it will mix it up more on main and ascension which is good for everyone... it might balance the prices on the SGW market :D

turns are too pricey nowadays ;)
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Re: changes in ascension/main going to production

phoenix ... what is the turn over rate.

how long will it take them to pass you, if you spend all your dmu on production then you really should start to catch them, coz say 40mil planets is going to be the major player not the production level (so you should be able to slowly increase production and surpass their income), when you have their income checked, then you can increase charisma... and im sure you should have a much larger fleet count already considering where abouts you are.

so there 2 things you need for both stats. you were already much better in the 1 in all stats. you had the planets for production, and the fleets for charisma, now these new guys get an advantage over you in upgrades.

i seriously think you will find out you will hold your position. and if not, it cant be that many positions.

seriously, i know how you feel, coz i am feeling the opposite, i have already gained 30 ranks (still very far from you).

but 10mil planets a day is still crazy lol.
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Re: changes in ascension/main going to production

The income isnt enough to get the advantage in planets per day back in time.
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i dont see how anyone who doesnt have alot of dmu can get up to 10 mil planets, im struggling at 6 mil, and im quite big, noobies who got alot of APP will ahve no hope of getting up that far.
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Re: changes in ascension/main going to production

can u make it so you can come out of ppt if you want? i'm dieing of boredom here... 10 days was just too long.
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Re: changes in ascension/main going to production

well it seems you have done all the math phoenix, so how far behind will you be?

i would say this update has helped more people then it has harmed. you just have to deal with it, and im sure over the next few weeks you will be able to fight for your place without ascending.

hey when your over 75mil can you broker some one uu and then ascend, and then come back to it?

i think the point behind ascension is to ascend, i am definitely going to ascend. and i was going to do quick ascensions but now i am going to wait around and make it much larger ascension.

anyway only time will tell. im sure being in dd would let you farm alot
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Re: changes in ascension/main going to production

since the update, my rank has dropped from 49 to 55 instantly, and then during these few days from 55 to 58. and i put ALL my DMU from income into growth of CER (and a bit into production). I'm still far behind, and falling behind.... This means a lot of people are getting a huge advantage over me, and even when i ascend in a few days, the extra APP might only (although i doubt it) give me ability to reach the CER of others that are passing me in rank. but by then, they will have "a bit" more planets and i won't be able to catch up.... Since there's a 14-day limit between ascensions, by the time i'm able to ascend again, i will fall even more behind.

hmmm, i wonder why i think this update royally screwed me :evil:

and i'm not the only one. a friend of mine who ascended a day after the update, to get the extra APP (since he only got 100k as well), of course, passed me in CER, income and army size. but is still falling behind some other people who were quite weaker before?! that really sux

and i can say this 800k APP to everyone (or almost everyone?) made little or no difference at all
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Re: changes in ascension/main going to production

the reason your rank dropped straight away because rank is based on your cosmos thing now (and i dont think influence is working), but its based on how many planets you have)

so you had less planets then all the guys that passed you straight away, so you probably just had a better charisma then them. and now that charisma is worth less (considering what the average level is now) then the reason they are passing you is because you are focusing on fleets instead of charisma.

and obviously people have big ascensions which they got compensated for, and as such you lose out, but thats the whole point, to even it up, people who have been playing longer obviously aren't going to be getting the same bonus as newer people. as they already have the bonus. so really the people who will bonus the most is strong players that got their position quickly.

you just gotta hold in and get your rank the good old way, through skill. i think the ascended server was always based on who you knew *cough dd* lol, and how long you have been playing it. now it will based at least a little bit on skill which i think can only be a good thing.

people are going to lose ranks, others are going to gain ranks, but what can you expect? its a major update, its going to change.

i'm personally getting a little boost because i am quite new to ascended server (but have played before so i am skilled) and have already started to get good.

when the update came out i dropped from rank 150 to 180, but smart investing on my part has already clawed all these ranks back.

i think we all really need to thank admin on this update, its made the ascended server much more alive then it has ever been.

thanks Admin!
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Re: changes in ascension/main going to production

My rank is slipping too, so Im going to have to ascend.

The people around me are making so much more than me now though, its rediculous.
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Re: changes in ascension/main going to production

my rank dropped from 500 to almost 600 when the update came out...

I've since gotten to 489... thats down to me spending wisely on all my stats because my fleets were only at 3k... I've used this week to power that up to 8k and doing much better!

way off 1 mill planets a day let alone 2 mill/day

but then I haven't wasted all my stuff on Charisma

due to my balanced spending I believe I can defend my account while it grows and I'm sure 60% of the people who threw practically everything in charisma will not be able to... :D hurrah!

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