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Drahazar wrote:

dgb wrote:

Drahazar wrote:Just letting you all know...

NO leader of FS will ever sign a Perminant NAP and when they get threatened by Mathlord that if they don't TAF will sit on them till they do, that's still not likely to change, thank you.

As was already said give and take by both sides and a good chat would be the way to go,now i dont no were the perminant nap comes from genraly wel say 3 or 4 month nap and if that works well lets talk about a extension, but you keep putting a brick wall up ie our way or the high way,this will harm your alliance more in the long run.

I told Mathlord i was open to NAPs so long as they weren't permanent, he was the one who said no, not me.

You said FP or CS would be open to NAP discussion but FS would never do a NAP. You told me the longest acceptable NAP that FS does is 2 days following a war for a "cooldown" period. Nothing more. If that's open to change, I'm all ears.

I think you'd find TAF has no permanent NAPs. All have 3-6 month lifespans and then extensions are made if both sides desire...usually they do, because they solve problems instead of cause them

05/09/2012 22:06:25 Drahazar Forgotten Serenity Odin, Mathlord TA as i said before FS is and will not ever be open to perminent NAPs

I believe that is what i said ...

Drahazar wrote:

dgb wrote:

Drahazar wrote:Just letting you all know...

NO leader of FS will ever sign a Perminant NAP and when they get threatened by Mathlord that if they don't TAF will sit on them till they do, that's still not likely to change, thank you.

As was already said give and take by both sides and a good chat would be the way to go,now i dont no were the perminant nap comes from genraly wel say 3 or 4 month nap and if that works well lets talk about a extension, but you keep putting a brick wall up ie our way or the high way,this will harm your alliance more in the long run.

I told Mathlord i was open to NAPs so long as they weren't permanent, he was the one who said no, not me.

Mathlord wrote:

Drahazar wrote:

dgb wrote:

Drahazar wrote:Just letting you all know...

NO leader of FS will ever sign a Perminant NAP and when they get threatened by Mathlord that if they don't TAF will sit on them till they do, that's still not likely to change, thank you.

As was already said give and take by both sides and a good chat would be the way to go,now i dont no were the perminant nap comes from genraly wel say 3 or 4 month nap and if that works well lets talk about a extension, but you keep putting a brick wall up ie our way or the high way,this will harm your alliance more in the long run.

I told Mathlord i was open to NAPs so long as they weren't permanent, he was the one who said no, not me.

You said FP or CS would be open to NAP discussion but FS would never do a NAP. You told me the longest acceptable NAP that FS does is 2 days following a war for a "cooldown" period. Nothing more. If that's open to change, I'm all ears.

I think you'd find TAF has no permanent NAPs. All have 3-6 month lifespans and then extensions are made if both sides desire...usually they do, because they solve problems instead of cause them

Er

If I am reading this right

Both alliance leaders are saying yes to NAP

Mathlord, as stated and as we do have in place with other alliances and been successful, NAPs agreed and then re-considered after a period of 3 to 6 months where both alliances have the option to continue

hmm

Job done then... are we done ?

No, Math would actually have to talk to me, and i would have to talk to my HC and then i would get back to Math etc etc

In my humble opinion:

I think we need to define the phrase "Permanent" and what it means for both sides...then maybe both sides can proceed from there

Drahazar wrote:No, Math would actually have to talk to me, and i would have to talk to my HC and then i would get back to Math etc etc

like I said are we done then ?

Lord Yojimbo wrote:In my humble opinion:

I think we need to define the phrase "Permanent" and what it means for both sides...then maybe both sides can proceed from there

Permanent means never ending, or at least it does to me.

just thorwing this out, wouldnt DRA work too? afaik its not same as NAP and it would solve lots of issues.
imo it would eleminte 1hit mass unless somehow provoked and also cut on farming attacks if they arent made in ratio (1/20..)
and maybe throw in a scheduled blood realm war every few months... idk

fallen angel wrote::smt115
just thorwing this out, wouldnt DRA work too? afaik its not same as NAP and it would solve lots of issues.
imo it would eleminte 1hit mass unless somehow provoked and also cut on farming attacks if they arent made in ratio (1/20..)
and maybe throw in a scheduled blood realm war every few months... idk

Math said he was totally against a DRA

Just stop with the **Filtered**. At this point, FS don't deserve any agreement at all.

BMMJ13 TAF says (4:59 AM)
which is why i suggested the nma/dra
Drahazar says (5:00 AM)
FS are against all NAPs all DRA's
BMMJ13 TAF says (5:00 AM)
well then i dont imagine anything will change
and we will end up at war sooner or later
Drahazar says (5:00 AM)
an nap could be set up
but at best maybe 48 hours

BMMJ13 wrote:Just stop with the **Filtered**. At this point, FS don't deserve any agreement at all.

BMMJ13 TAF says (4:59 AM)
which is why i suggested the nma/dra
Drahazar says (5:00 AM)
FS are against all NAPs all DRA's
BMMJ13 TAF says (5:00 AM)
well then i dont imagine anything will change
and we will end up at war sooner or later
Drahazar says (5:00 AM)
an nap could be set up
but at best maybe 48 hours

Hey looks like Drahazar is changing his tune now tho. Maybe u boys should talk again

BMMJ13 wrote:Just stop with the **Filtered**. At this point, FS don't deserve any agreement at all.

BMMJ13 TAF says (4:59 AM)
which is why i suggested the nma/dra
Drahazar says (5:00 AM)
FS are against all NAPs all DRA's
BMMJ13 TAF says (5:00 AM)
well then i dont imagine anything will change
and we will end up at war sooner or later
Drahazar says (5:00 AM)
an nap could be set up
but at best maybe 48 hours

05/09/2012 22:06:10 Mathlord TA Odin, Drahazar Forgotten Serenity I will not condone a DRA
as i said Math shot down a DRA idea

honestly for gods sakes agree to some point enough with this **Filtered** and all.. geezz..

Drahazar wrote:

BMMJ13 wrote:Just stop with the **Filtered**. At this point, FS don't deserve any agreement at all.

BMMJ13 TAF says (4:59 AM)
which is why i suggested the nma/dra
Drahazar says (5:00 AM)
FS are against all NAPs all DRA's
BMMJ13 TAF says (5:00 AM)
well then i dont imagine anything will change
and we will end up at war sooner or later
Drahazar says (5:00 AM)
an nap could be set up
but at best maybe 48 hours

05/09/2012 22:06:10 Mathlord TA Odin, Drahazar Forgotten Serenity I will not condone a DRA
as i said Math shot down a DRA idea

Math was against a DRA due to FS not honoring it in the past. I still attempted to come to some kind of agreement, as otherwise we would end up at war (funny that?). Any agreement would of been voted on by the HC, however you refused to even discuss it because 1 HC member was against the idea. You were the one who refused to even talk about the idea.

Not that it matters much anyway. We are past the point where FS deserve or would get a NMA. Fast approaching that point for a NAP as well.

Just read that and... wow, just wow. We want a nap! we'll never take a nap! you never offered us the right kind of nap! Jeez. Looks like FS don't want a permanent one, TAF are offering a 3-6month long one. Whats the problem? Put it back in your pants, agree on the time of the nap, 3 or 6, and you're done. Providing TAF actually think that their enemies deserve any sort of agreement at this point...