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Paul wrote:Some nice ideas, I love Lore's Idea about the 6 hour battle, probably one of the best ideas I have read in awhile. But could you correct me if I am wrong but that would mean people with large MNEC's would tip the scale of battle, would make it extermly changing for smaller players to compete.

Paul wrote:can you elaberate how the %'s would effect the battle?

Lore wrote:
Make Ascended battles, a fight to the death? or deascention rather. Make it so the battle lasts until one party runs out of AT. That way neither side can convert DMU and must fight with the resources avalible at the time the war starts. Every 30 minutes you get a report on the battle raging for the full 3 hrs. You can use mods and such, or a "Variable" on att, def,repusion,constitution, etc, etc. Use a 25% variable and give the last turn of the battle a 50% variable. This means that just because your bigger does not mean you will win. Also make it possible that BOTH beings can be deascended if enough damage is done to both beings, as even if you know your dieing from LF lose, you can't leave the battle. The last simotanious attack can cripple both beings.

Lore wrote:Make it so the battle lasts until one party runs out of AT. That way neither side can convert DMU and must fight with the resources available at the time the war starts.

Lore wrote:This means that just because your bigger does not mean you will win. Also make it possible that BOTH beings can be descended if enough damage is done to both beings, as even if you know your dieing from LF lose, you can't leave the battle. The last simultaneous attack can cripple both beings.

Harlequin wrote:

Lore wrote:Make it so the battle lasts until one party runs out of AT. That way neither side can convert DMU and must fight with the resources available at the time the war starts.

Just one quick question here: if one was to wait for a person to use all their turns, farm them and then initiate the descension attack it would be easier?

Been some time since I proposed this, but I had envisioned it as running out of AT in a Deascention battle as a bad thing. Kinna like not having the strength to keep fighting IDK. I think it should hurt the ascended being in some way, but not cripple him. So yes I think it should be easier. This will make people not burn 2K AT on a farming run for fear of deascention.

Lore wrote:This means that just because your bigger does not mean you will win. Also make it possible that BOTH beings can be descended if enough damage is done to both beings, as even if you know your dieing from LF lose, you can't leave the battle. The last simultaneous attack can cripple both beings.

I think that it would be a good idea for both sides to have a chance at winning, within reason. For example, should someone with 1k LF reserves be able to stand even the remotest chance against my 1.5bn reserves?

Tacet wrote:@Lore, your idea is interesting. Just wonders, if the length of the battle depends on ATs, what stops me from just using most of my ATs once or twice a day? If someone wants to descend me, I quickly run out of ATs, so the battle is over. Making the battle last as long as the attacker has ATs left would also be problematic, as the defender will then be unable to strike back.

Tacet wrote:Thanks, makes more sense now.

Another advantage of using a lot of ATs: it would make ascended strategy more interesting. Meaning that you'll probably get ppl specializing to a much larger extent than is currently the case: A specialize in normal assassination and massing, while B specialize in ascended attacks.
Yes I agree with you there.


One thing I don't really like is that once in battle, you're out of control (unless I missed something else?). I understand that it is to limit the current Farm->Cache->LF immortality, but give the player some semblence of control. How about adding a Life Leach ability? The player then has the choice to activate either Life Leach, which leach a percentage of the damage he does to the enemy back as LF for himself, or the normal Energy Repulsion. This will give you the chance to do something at least, rather than to just sit and watch yourself dying.
IDK, I can see absorbtion and repulsion possibly changing a bit, make them toggleable? Gives you the choice of trying to gain some LF back to live longer, or to do as much damage as possible in hopes of taking him down with you? IDK


Or, add a ticket out of the battle, but at the cost of not being able to do DMU->Cache for 24 hours. Once you're out of the battle, you can still be attacked, but in the standard 100 AT ascended attack as it is now. So you can be descended, but at least you can assassinate someone of your own size. Lol, you can even go on vac mode
This creates 2 different types of ascended battles, do we really need two? And why cantinue to make deascention avoidable? Either you can do it or you can't. I like the possiblity of both being deascended, and the variability aspect. It gives people a chance, but still gives the edge to the bigger stronger player who does deserve it.

lithium wrote:the idea is quite interesting (going in an ascended battle till one is out) TY

but i see it very hard to implement due to many codes it has to chenge.
Understandable
Tacet made an interesting point: sit and watch yourself dying.
coz its an auto process , while u ve set yr acc to desc ppl and make it harder to them to desc u then you have to just auto the process.
at this point we will see a second we will encounter a second kind of sniper.Whats the difference? seeing it coming? or it being instant? Really? same result?

also the fact of turns is a way hard to implement. what if yr enemy has less then 300 at's /day? AT is the only limiting factor in ascention and the only "good" thing about ascended. Lets play it up and work with it. We all see the downfalls of unlimited AT.

Important fact. when u engage smoen in th asc battle yr are at full LF.
the enemy will strike u bck but he cant be at full LF so his hit-bcks are very limited which can result that every his hit-bck will put him in a worst situation. Basically who hit first can auto win. Not true. Equel being fighting will result in the attacker dieing first due to repulsion. Refilling is the only advantage to the attacker

more over let say u won the battle against an opponent that is nearly yr power, you can be engaged by his friend and get desc very quick an so on makes a chain If you noted I included a "cool down" period where NO ascended attacks were possible. This gives the defender time to refill as the attacker does. But note that with my "timed" babttle. the attacker may not be avalible to refill, and the defender may come online, refill, and attack in return. Some form a stratagy.

to prevent them u ve to put a safe period after a asc battle till u full generate which also means that the generation should be hasten a little coz we ll lvl up a lot.Yes and no,,, what I'm trying to accomplish is a long term battle that if enough people sit on one guy long enough will result in deascention, but also allow several smaller player to also gang up on one much stronger being and take him down as well. Something well rounded and more balanced. I think the variable % on stats is the key to the idea.