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theres a problem with the current supporter packs

with a $50 supporter pack you get
Instant 300,000,000,000 Naquadah
Instant 7,500Attack Turns (Attack turns are converted to Naquadah and Untrained if the recipient is in the Pergatory Realm)
Instant 450,000 Untrained Soliders
Instant 100% (of normal initial capacity) increase to your offsite Naquadah storage
Instant 1624 to Untrained Military Daily Production
30 Days worth of power to your Merlins Planetary Dimensional Shifting Device (MPDSD)

$50 gets you 5-6 trillian naq on the cash market.

with that much money you could buya ll of the above (except mpsd) and still come out ahead

if they wanted to compete they would seriously have to up their supporter bonus.

Personally i would prefer to give cash to supporter packs than other players BUT this change means to get the goals id like to achieve, the supporter pack just doesn't give me enough bang for my buck to be worthwhile.

kamujian wrote:$50 gets you 5-6 trillian naq on the cash market.

Firstly, how the hell did you work that out?

Naquadah 30,000,000,000 Gained Per $1USD

30b x $50 = 1.5tril.


And back on topic, wasn't admin wanting ages ago for more people to start using and playing the ascended server? Well how the hell is this supposed to encourage people to ascend and play the ascended server???? If anything it will put people off ascending now.

Clarkey if you look back at one of my other posts i was not referring to the in game cash market i was referring to the player cash market on these forums

1 trill of naq is selling for around $10 atm

i probably should have been a bit more clearer on that

pardon the confusion

Why is everyone crying about this update? You guys have the ability to use a Market Turn to increase your bank size by 10%. My guess is that this update was to get people to stop buying weapons to stockpile naq and start using your MT's to purchase larger bank sizes.

As i said in my first post the second post.

The only thing bad with the update is Ascensions, the update its self is fine. It stops people benefitting from selling weapons. Simple solution dont sell em.

If you need to save up naqudah use a bank.
If you want to raid, dont build the strike in the first place. The 20% loss was already too much to make selling for raiding a good idea.
Complaining about not being able to lower ranks to raid easier .. good, the 10x rule there was put in place so lower players could raid more, not so higher players could rank down to raid.
If you are entering a war and want to save resources as much as possible you still can, just not as much. Most people will see this as a good thing, expecially the guy wanting to mass you.

The only problem, Ascensions, where selling Weapons is a good way to save lost resources because well APP is nothing anymore. And limiting Ascensions is already in place, you have to get 1k g+r , need to wait 2 weeks, the ascensions become more and more expensive. No need to limit them further. So why not make it so that Weapons dont reset. This completly solves this problem with no consequence to the Design of why the suggestion was input, to stop or atleast increase the cost of build/mass/sell

The idea itself is great, thanks admin, just perform the neccessary tweaks.

were voicing our displeasure with the update DarkSchneider, thats all.

I will admit i didnt think of the MT to bank size,

but id have to increase my bank size 4-500% for it to be feasable to bank my naq.

3 MT gives you a 33% boost to bank. (1 x 1.1 x 1.1 x 1.1 = 1.331)

it would take me 4-5 weeks of MTs to increase my bank size 4-500%

I still dont like the changes they have made, as they disadvatage the majority to stop the minority.

but i will say at least i can see maybe another way of going about what i would like to. nice post DS

edit: id also agree this wouldnt be an issue if we didnt lose weapons or only lost say 10-20% of them when we ascend. I would guess msot of those who are against the update were still looking to ascend a lot more

they did it with motherships after all

Auriel wrote:

Human wrote:So yeah, this update is to curb those few accounts, maybe one or two, but what about the other hundres of players who play it fair and square? If any player has any grudge and want to mass anyone down, he can always do it, regardless whether the resell price is high or low.

Then it doesn't matter whether or not this update was implemented.

Were you in favour? If yes, join the club. If no, I am confuzzled.

No, i am a hater of this update, but i kinda agree with 12agnar0k on no trading for APP when ascending thing. Proposal on tis has been made to the respective thread.

Bear in mind that for small players, using the MT for PPT or bank size hardly makes any difference. I personally think that this update affect newer players badly, and probably the game will be condensed with super big players with super alliances and thousands of inactive accounts.

This update is a "Bandaide" attempt by admin to address the "Sympotoms" of a more serious problem. This update is suposse to stop/slow the snipers and the buy/strike/sell/wait type of attackers. It will not do what its intended for as people who use these tactics will simply hit small, buy more weapons, hit medium, buy more weapons, and then strike large as normal. They will always gain signifagantly more naq then they lose by buying and selling their weapons. When someone else paid for all the weapons, why would they care how much they lose selling them as its still all profit.

I personally never relied on weapons as a reliable source of storing naq anyways... simply because weapons could be sabbed.

I have yet to ascend. I have always believed that selling UU was the way to go when looking to gain naq after ascending.

I can see why people would be ticked off if they relied on purchasing weapons as a means of storing naq, though. There should have been an announcement in game notifying players of such updates before they occur to give everyone a chance to sell their weapons before they took on more losses. I don't feel as bad for people that frequent the forums as I do for people that never visit this forum, though.

Weapons are not used solely for stocking, they are needed for defense as well..

kamujian wrote:3 MT gives you a 33% boost to bank. (1 x 1.1 x 1.1 x 1.1 = 1.331)

no it doesnt... 3MT gives 30% bonus... the bonus is to raw bank size, not total...

Zeratul wrote:

kamujian wrote:3 MT gives you a 33% boost to bank. (1 x 1.1 x 1.1 x 1.1 = 1.331)

no it doesnt... 3MT gives 30% bonus... the bonus is to raw bank size, not total...

yes its to raw bank size but it doesn't amount to a 30% increase. you are gaining 10% per purchase of the MT upgrade which would come out to 1.1xrawbanksize(hence the 1 above).

and no matter how many times you buy the MT upgrade you will still be getting that 10% so its still 1.1x1 even to the millionth upgrade

Naminef wrote:

Zeratul wrote:

kamujian wrote:3 MT gives you a 33% boost to bank. (1 x 1.1 x 1.1 x 1.1 = 1.331)

no it doesnt... 3MT gives 30% bonus... the bonus is to raw bank size, not total...

yes its to raw bank size but it doesn't amount to a 30% increase. you are gaining 10% per purchase of the MT upgrade which would come out to 1.1xrawbanksize(hence the 1 above).

and no matter how many times you buy the MT upgrade you will still be getting that 10% so its still 1.1x1 even to the millionth upgrade

There's no 1.1... the raw bank size is determined by the number of miners you have and is not affected by previous PPT, ascension or SS bonuses.
If you, for example, have 100 bil. bank size and go on PPT, your bank size will go up to 110 bil. If you go on PPT again, you will again receive +10% of your raw bank size, which is still 100 bil. - so you'll have 120 bil., and so on. At least that's how it used to be before, and I doubt admin changed it.

Edit: see here for the calculations made about a month ago, before the new update. Note that ascensions give 20% instead of 10%, and USS 100% 'natural' bank size increase, according to a post in that topic.

Lucky Starr wrote:

Naminef wrote:

Zeratul wrote:

kamujian wrote:3 MT gives you a 33% boost to bank. (1 x 1.1 x 1.1 x 1.1 = 1.331)

no it doesnt... 3MT gives 30% bonus... the bonus is to raw bank size, not total...

yes its to raw bank size but it doesn't amount to a 30% increase. you are gaining 10% per purchase of the MT upgrade which would come out to 1.1xrawbanksize(hence the 1 above).

and no matter how many times you buy the MT upgrade you will still be getting that 10% so its still 1.1x1 even to the millionth upgrade

There's no 1.1... the raw bank size is determined by the number of miners you have and is not affected by previous PPT, ascension or SS bonuses.
If you, for example, have 100 bil. bank size and go on PPT, your bank size will go up to 110 bil. If you go on PPT again, you will again receive +10% of your raw bank size, which is still 100 bil. - so you'll have 120 bil., and so on. At least that's how it used to be before, and I doubt admin changed it.

Edit: see here for the calculations made about a month ago, before the new update. Note that ascensions give 20% instead of 10%, and USS 100% 'natural' bank size increase, according to a post in that topic.

yes im well aware what raw banksize is based off of, but if the MT bought banksize is increasing it then the raw banksize will change with each upgrade.

you math is all screwed up. 100bil raw banksize *10% = 10bil
10bil + 100bil = 110bil (i would hope that you can see the 1.1 here. if not just go away)
110bil(new raw banksize) * 10% = 11bil
11bil + 110bil = 121bil. (can you still see the 1.1?)

if this isnt the way that it calcs then admin needs to reword it since this is what it says.

I was trying to explain to you that raw bank size does NOT depend on bonuses... it's the TOTAL bank size that changes.
I admit the 'original' bank size wording was somewhat confusing, but it was since changed to 'natural', which is pretty clear I think.