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Re: what's the community's opinion on this?
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:27 pm
by Borek
no, i'm telling you that sometimes it's not worth crippling yourself to take out a huge defense and if TO/COTO have enough tactical knowledge to realise this then you are in more trouble than you think. Why? because they have time on their side, farm your crappy members for long enough and they will be able to afford to do it. if your alliance is worth a damn you'll be concerned that your weaker members are being farmed and want to do something about it, if not, well, then everyone will know that farming weaker members of your empires is the way to get some easy naq. It's Win/Win for TO, either you pony up some naq to build decent defenses on your weaker members or you leave them to the wolves, wolves who will build up faster on all that easy naq.
so the question is, what are you gonna do about it? Watch as your alliance mates get farmed and feed your enemies or pay up for them to build uber defenses?
Re: what's the community's opinion on this?
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:42 pm
by dazman
We have no crappy members.
Re: what's the community's opinion on this?
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:53 pm
by Borek
dazman wrote:We have no crappy members.
Then i guess i'm seeing things when i check for Alpha members with no defense, because i see a reasonable number...
Re: what's the community's opinion on this?
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:12 pm
by dazman
None of TO or CoTo have defense. Does this mean you area calling them crappy?
Re: what's the community's opinion on this?
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:18 pm
by RepliMagni
@ Borek: Finally someone who understands the situation

When I come online I have two choices:
Mass 1 guy who has 10mil def supers, or mass 5 guys who each have 2mil def supers. I'll always chose the second because: I suffer less losses, it frees up more farms for us, and involves more people in the war.
The 10% of FUALL who come on here bragging about losing nothing are either doing two things:
1) helping out your weaker members rebuild, in which case you are losing resources because of the war
or:
2) sitting back and watching your mates get repeatedly massed whilst building up your own account
Either way FUALL as a collective are taking losses, whilst if you are chosing choice 2) then you're a pretty crappy alliance mate
@Dazman: We have nothing to lose now - we can hit your members over and over and you cannot respond. From the PMs I've been getting recently it is your members who are getting frustrated with this war. Not ours.
Re: what's the community's opinion on this?
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:23 pm
by dazman
And if we ever have nothing to lose, you think we are going to surrender?
Re: what's the community's opinion on this?
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:26 pm
by Borek
dazman wrote:None of TO or CoTo have defense. Does this mean you area calling them crappy?
They are smaller than you are, and as you freely admit you have many big accounts who can easily afford to smash their defenses so i would fully expect them to have small or no defenses. The difference is they now have nothing to loose, if they get farmed on the turn it's no big deal as they can get many times the naq farming your guys.
So as i already said, what are you gonna do about it? Funny thing is you have no idea, you even waste time making pointless polls about how you think you have won and how you think they should just give up. Why would they give up, they have plenty of great farms and given time they can mass the rest of you. Oh, you can recover, but they have nothing to loose and everything to gain.
You guys picked the fight and now you're just realising that it's not so easy to destroy people who know how to play against larger accounts. it's not rocket science, but it sure is effective.
NP ~magni~ i say it how i see it, i respect the Fuall empires, but bigger isn't always better and when you fight smart and committed enemies it can be a drawback.
Re: what's the community's opinion on this?
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:30 pm
by dazman
Borek wrote:dazman wrote:None of TO or CoTo have defense. Does this mean you area calling them crappy?
They are smaller than you are, and as you freely admit you have many big accounts who can easily afford to smash their defenses so i would fully expect them to have small or no defenses. The difference is they now have nothing to loose, if they get farmed on the turn it's no big deal as they can get many times the naq farming your guys.
So as i already said, what are you gonna do about it? Funny thing is you have no idea, you even waste time making pointless polls about how you think you have won and how you think they should just give up. Why would they give up, they have plenty of great farms and given time they can mass the rest of you. Oh, you can recover, but they have nothing to loose and everything to gain.
You guys picked the fight and now you're just realising that it's not so easy to destroy people who know how to play against larger accounts. it's not rocket science, but it sure is effective.
NP ~magni~ i say it how i see it, i respect the Fuall empires, but bigger isn't always better and when you fight smart and committed enemies it can be a drawback.
I know what I'm going to do about it. I'm going to keep farming TO and CoTo.

Re: what's the community's opinion on this?
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:47 pm
by Borek
I would expect that Dazman, but you farming TO doesn't help your zero defense alliance mates who are being farmed by TO at all does it? It only helps if you pass that naq to them and somehow i don't think you're doing that...
Re: what's the community's opinion on this?
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:57 pm
by Mukasa
A has already won, B should surrender
aka
Omega already won, TO/COTO Should surrender
Re: what's the community's opinion on this?
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:02 pm
by dazman
^ I like this guy better

Re: what's the community's opinion on this?
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:59 pm
by RepliMagni
lol. Oh well, we tried to explain it to you but if you don't want to listen....
I just breached the 100mil def supers killed - lets see just how high it'll go shall we.....
Re: what's the community's opinion on this?
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:33 pm
by hidden
Mukasa wrote:A has already won, B should surrender
aka
Omega already won, TO/COTO Should surrender
see this is exactly why forum needs to make wars winnable
TO/COTO has no reason to surrender because they are gaining from this massively
just because omega is winning means nothing as long as the TO can keep enough omega/DDE members weak they will continue to grow
Re: what's the community's opinion on this?
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:42 pm
by dazman
I don't think they are growing. Yes some of them have grown a bit. But most have lost tones.
Re: what's the community's opinion on this?
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:15 pm
by hidden
dazman wrote:I don't think they are growing. Yes some of them have grown a bit. But most have lost tones.
people of their size can easily repair their accounts if need be
the fact is they have so many good targets they aer growing at a rate faster then they would if if they weren't in a war
how else did you think people grew so big so quick? only in a war could you farm 20mil uu so easily