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Posted: **Mon May 05, 2008 3:28 am**

Nimras wrote:
ogre9805 wrote:
Nimras wrote:
Ohh and moved.

pure comedy timing lol

Lol how so?

the fact u gave him words of advice and then say as if u`d nearly forgotten , ohh and moved lol

Posted: **Mon May 05, 2008 3:39 am**

Borek wrote:
Nimras wrote:Hmm well i agrea he is having a problem.

Because to much to protect his Income he get educated.

To little he cant hold it.

And well if he relies on NAQ to grow slow well then yeh what to do.

One thing is sure dont do following.

1. Mass back they would in most cases sit on you or make sure you dont mass them again by going after your friends, allies, officers and planets.
2. If they are from FUALL or TLE well then even trying to farm back would be stupid as again they can farm and educate you but you cant educate or farm them as that would be taken as a 1vs1 or war declaration by your alliance ending up you have to look at number 1.
3. Stop drawing attention wont help you and complaining wont either as they wont stop.
4. Get a Commander in TLE or FUALL will maybe help you as i recall TLE and FUALL has a rule about not farming and mass their members officers dont hold me to it as i arent sure as even i get farmed by TLE and i have a TLE officer *looks at Blahh you owe me 132bill done over 3 hits btw *
5. If none of above works join a alliance in TJP or FUALL as that means they wont hit you and no one will actually dare to hit you meaning your safe.

Thats what i can think off.

Ohh and moved.

That's complete b/s, firstly you will find most of the big farmers WILL respect someone who hits back, none of them are so stupid as to repeatedly farm someone who they know will just mass them back over it, the people who get farmed hard are the compliant farms who never complain and never hit back.

As for farming them back then the same goes as with massing, it will more than likely be respected, or at the very least convince them to talk about it. What you shouldn't do is farm the entire alliance, that WILL get you in trouble, hit the people who farm you and their alliance will probably insist they deal with it alone since it was their farming that promoted retaliation in the 1st place.

Complaining is everyone's right, if someone is making the game suck for you then whine away, just be prepared to accept that others will point fingers and snigger. Ignore them, they have probably forgotten what it was like when they were pellets and struggling to keep any naq.

A CO from TJP or FUALL definately won't guarantee you don't get farmed, but it WILL get you advice and help and there is always the possibility that your CO will mass your farmer for you, but that is very much down to the individual CO and who it is farming you.

Yes you can try to join TJP or FUALL, but i'm telling you now they don't want farms in their alliances, so man up and kick some ass, both of our Empires respect that and it will be a positive point on any applications you might make at a later date.

Hell, i spend 10 months fighting overwhelming odds shortly after i started just because i decided i wasn't going to take any poop from anyone, even my most bitter enemy from that time eventually became a friend and now many moons later i am part of his alliance.

War is good for many reasons, it's fun, you will learn tons about the game and providing you play the game as just that, a game, you will probably end up making many friends. End of the day it's just UU's and Naq in a browser game, doesn't really matter much if you take a big loss, or should i say it matters as much as you let it matter.

I went from the top of my head what i recalled before you go into it. As i arent sure but i do know last i checked that some in TLE and FUALL hit back for farming them, for massing them or even worse not in all cases as some dont care but i have and so have many others seen the evidence in the GC lol.

So i was mearly stating on the top of what i recalled but as i arent part of FUALL or TLE i dont know how their poletics are 100% so i base my knowhow on what i have seen on the forum and heard and dont mind standing corrected if shown that.

ogre9805 wrote:
Nimras wrote:
ogre9805 wrote:
Nimras wrote:
Ohh and moved.

Hehe no it was more i wanted to post i also removed it hehe sounded better like that

pure comedy timing lol

Lol how so?

the fact u gave him words of advice and then say as if u`d nearly forgotten , ohh and moved lol

Posted: **Mon May 05, 2008 3:44 am**

Life is hard nowadays we got to admit

The best farmingproof solutions though are:
1. Find a good alliance, preferably some FUALL or TLE lol
2. Find a good protective Co

3. Build a good warrior name and reputation.
4. Get a good rank and armysize

Posted: **Mon May 05, 2008 3:46 am**

Borek wrote:
Nimras wrote:Hmm well i agrea he is having a problem.

Because to much to protect his Income he get educated.

To little he cant hold it.

And well if he relies on NAQ to grow slow well then yeh what to do.

One thing is sure dont do following.

1. Mass back they would in most cases sit on you or make sure you dont mass them again by going after your friends, allies, officers and planets.
2. If they are from FUALL or TLE well then even trying to farm back would be stupid as again they can farm and educate you but you cant educate or farm them as that would be taken as a 1vs1 or war declaration by your alliance ending up you have to look at number 1.
3. Stop drawing attention wont help you and complaining wont either as they wont stop.
4. Get a Commander in TLE or FUALL will maybe help you as i recall TLE and FUALL has a rule about not farming and mass their members officers dont hold me to it as i arent sure as even i get farmed by TLE and i have a TLE officer *looks at Blahh you owe me 132bill done over 3 hits btw *
5. If none of above works join a alliance in TJP or FUALL as that means they wont hit you and no one will actually dare to hit you meaning your safe.

Thats what i can think off.

Ohh and moved.

That's complete b/s, firstly you will find most of the big farmers WILL respect someone who hits back, none of them are so stupid as to repeatedly farm someone who they know will just mass them back over it, the people who get farmed hard are the compliant farms who never complain and never hit back.

As for farming them back then the same goes as with massing, it will more than likely be respected, or at the very least convince them to talk about it. What you shouldn't do is farm the entire alliance, that WILL get you in trouble, hit the people who farm you and their alliance will probably insist they deal with it alone since it was their farming that promoted retaliation in the 1st place.

Complaining is everyone's right, if someone is making the game suck for you then whine away, just be prepared to accept that others will point fingers and snigger. Ignore them, they have probably forgotten what it was like when they were pellets and struggling to keep any naq.

A CO from TJP or FUALL definately won't guarantee you don't get farmed, but it WILL get you advice and help and there is always the possibility that your CO will mass your farmer for you, but that is very much down to the individual CO and who it is farming you.

Yes you can try to join TJP or FUALL, but i'm telling you now they don't want farms in their alliances, so man up and kick some ass, both of our Empires respect that and it will be a positive point on any applications you might make at a later date.

Hell, i spend 10 months fighting overwhelming odds shortly after i started just because i decided i wasn't going to take any poop from anyone, even my most bitter enemy from that time eventually became a friend and now many moons later i am part of his alliance.

War is good for many reasons, it's fun, you will learn tons about the game and providing you play the game as just that, a game, you will probably end up making many friends. End of the day it's just UU's and Naq in a browser game, doesn't really matter much if you take a big loss, or should i say it matters as much as you let it matter.

Things must've changed over at Omega HQ then - once upon a time players were crushed for farming back Omega members that farmed them. Same goes for a lot of the big alliances. Nothing wrong with it - but to say that farming back the big farming guys is likely to earn respect and bring a halt to it is a bit wishful thinking - as history dictates that it's more likely to get you decimated.

Posted: **Mon May 05, 2008 3:57 am**

Borek the mod team have you surrounded, give up now and you may live :-D

j/k, but honestly i agree with Nimras and Wolf, many of the bgger alliance have a 1hit policy after which they mass you, in which case how would massing or hitting back help?

Posted: **Mon May 05, 2008 4:08 am**

Well i do still recall that farming back stupid mass back well depends on the mood of the alliance and player and you get respect if not say byebye to stats and alliance lol.

Posted: **Mon May 05, 2008 4:13 am**

I never said they wouldn't get crushed back, i said fighting back gains you respect, sitting there and taking it on the chin just encourages more farming. Now you tell me what's more fun, logging in each day to see <insert farmer name here> has stolen all your naq, again, or saving up for a few weeks and massing that farmer.

Who cares if you get massed and farmed back, you were already losing most of your naq anyway and growing at a tortoises pace, at least you have something to look forward to when you fight back, even if it's going to cost you your def, spies and MS NOTHING can take away the fact you massed the person who annoyed you.

Those 1 hit policies are self-fulfilling policies, people who get farmed believe them, so they are obviously policies, but you ask anyone in TJP and they will tell you they respect people who stand up for themselves, FUALL do too.

I may well be in FUALL now, but i spent 2 years flying solo, don't let the fact i have an Omega tag fool you into thinking i've been a member forever.

Back when i was solo i farmed an officer of Rek who was inactive, honestly i didn't spot this person was Rek's officer, possible they joined him after i added them to my farm list, but either way Rek noticed, Rek threatened, i stood up to him and told him i'd take a massing if he was offering and i'd retaliate as brutally as i could manage. What happened? I was invited to join DDE, Rek doesn't want any cowards in DDE, he wants people who will stand up for themselves and their alliance when required.

FUALL don't want people who join to avoid being farmed, they want people who play the game to enjoy it and that means you make a few waves, farm as much naq/UU's as you can afford to spend the time doing and when a war comes you do your part and spend some resources defending the alliance name. if you're bothered about your def supers or your spies being killed then you are not FUALL material. And no that doesn't mean we like it when we get massed, it just means being massed is part of the game and we all know it's going to happen sooner or later

Posted: **Mon May 05, 2008 4:21 am**

Borek wrote:I never said they wouldn't get crushed back, i said fighting back gains you respect, sitting there and taking it on the chin just encourages more farming. Now you tell me what's more fun, logging in each day to see <insert farmer name here> has stolen all your naq, again, or saving up for a few weeks and massing that farmer.

Who cares if you get massed and farmed back, you were already losing most of your naq anyway and growing at a tortoises pace, at least you have something to look forward to when you fight back, even if it's going to cost you your def, spies and MS NOTHING can take away the fact you massed the person who annoyed you.

Those 1 hit policies are self-fulfilling policies, people who get farmed believe them, so they are obviously policies, but you ask anyone in TJP and they will tell you they respect people who stand up for themselves, FUALL do too.

I may well be in FUALL now, but i spent 2 years flying solo, don't let the fact i have an Omega tag fool you into thinking i've been a member forever.

Back when i was solo i farmed an officer of Rek who was inactive, honestly i didn't spot this person was Rek's officer, possible they joined him after i added them to my farm list, but either way Rek noticed, Rek threatened, i stood up to him and told him i'd take a massing if he was offering and i'd retaliate as brutally as i could manage. What happened? I was invited to join DDE, Rek doesn't want any cowards in DDE, he wants people who will stand up for themselves and their alliance when required.

FUALL don't want people who join to avoid being farmed, they want people who play the game to enjoy it and that means you make a few waves, farm as much naq/UU's as you can afford to spend the time doing and when a war comes you do your part and spend some resources defending the alliance name. if you're bothered about your def supers or your spies being killed then you are not FUALL material. And no that doesn't mean we like it when we get massed, it just means being massed is part of the game and we all know it's going to happen sooner or later

Borek as i said i agrea to that until a point because i also know that in some cases standing up for your self might mean they dont mass you but also your alliance and officers and their officers seen it before.

It is not always you get respect for standing your ground.

But i agrea that you should stand your ground but pick wicely when you do as in some sistuation you end up getting not only your self but your alliance and officers massed on the way even if you just massed back or stood ground.

Posted: **Mon May 05, 2008 4:30 am**

Nimras wrote:Well i do still recall that farming back stupid mass back well depends on the mood of the alliance and player and you get respect if not say byebye to stats and alliance lol.

hrrrrrrm, i agree to a point, but usually its more about the way u compose urself rather than the person u hit

if i mass a guy, he sends me nasty PMs and retaliates ...... his alliance and officers r toast

now, if i mass someone who retaliates, and shares some good whitted banter ... then we can happily have a 1v1 fun fest

same with most ppl i find. soooooo like i said before, whining gets you no-where.

@Borek, didnt wanna quote u mate, because it'd make this post too long lol, but i agree 100% on what u said.

the worst idea, is to farm the alliance after being massed, hit back the person that hit u, i know TLE's policy states that if u do this, the rest of TLE cant do squat, serves the TLE guy right for starting the stuff in the first place

but ...... u hit a couple guys ..... and ur screwed lol!!

knowing alliances policies can save ur ass

u can even play them to ur advantage if ur good!

Posted: **Mon May 05, 2008 4:33 am**

I agree too - but your first post was less well put than your second!

But there is a balance - I've seen big alliances smash people's accounts for standing up for themselves, and then sit on them so there is nothing they can do - and I wouldn't necessarily say that that was any fun at all.

Sometimes it depends on the mood of the alliance at the time, and what communications have been like between those doing the farming.

Posted: **Mon May 05, 2008 4:49 am**

The key point is to enjoy whatever you do, because that's why we play the game, or should be, for fun. if someone isn't letting you enjoy the game when you play it one way, mix it up and play differently.

Standing up for yourself isn't something you do to avoid being massed, it's more for your own pride, it is a war game after all, try some war, you might end up liking it.

Most of the best players have got where they are today by standing up for themselves and being prepared to take and dish out massings, that is no coincidence.

Take Easy and FS as a fine example, they are not in TJP or FUALL, they fight almost all the time, but they are growing fast and have developed a respected and feared name. Same for TO/COTO, they stood up to FUALL and fought back, got massed countless times, massed back whenever they could, for them it wasn't about how many supers or spies they lost or killed, it was them fighting for their self respect, their name.

I would also like to point out that the "i'll sit on you" threat is vastly over-used and is actually completely impossible to back up in any way, shape or form. There's no reason at all why the person being "sat on" can't just take 2 PPT's per week and get to keep 4 days naq, so even if you lose the other 3 days to someone or an alliance/empire "sitting on you" they can't actually succeed unless you quit. if you don't quit just be happy that for 3 days a week someone is actually annoyed enough with you to waste all that time farming your naq whilst you are laughing at how seriously they take the game.

Posted: **Mon May 05, 2008 4:53 am**

I know and I agree with what you say - but it's still happened where people have come out of PPT and immediately they've been massed, sabbed and ACd and the sat on again for another 3 days until PPT day comes again. I'm not saying it's right or wrong - it's just become too easy to do, with little the victim can do about it.

Posted: **Mon May 05, 2008 9:02 am**

Timed almost to prove the point - someone I know has just received a massing for making a single attack against 2 different members of one of the big alliances. :-D