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[KMA]Avenger wrote:anyways, i hope we don't get fixated on 9/11 because this goes WAAAAAY beyond 9/11 and any terrorist attacks.

Just to emphise what my dear friend is talking about and what we want you to try and understand here is the Bilderberg group. The people that are part of this orginization and their agendas for the rest of the world.

Members of the Bilderberg group;
David Rockefeller
Henery Kissinger
Ben S Bernanke
Donald E Graham
James A. Johnson
Condoleezza Rice

And these are just a few. Look at these names, research them...

Also for those of you who refuse to believe about a New World Order, here are some quotes for you.

"The new world order will be built..an end run on national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal assualt."
~Council on Foreign Relations
Journal 1974, pg. 558

"We shall have world goverment, wether or not we like it. The only question is wether World Goverment will be achieved by conquest or consent."
~Paul Warburg
Council on Foreign Relations and architect of the Federal Reserve System
In an address to the U.S. Senate 2/17/1950

"To defensd the new world order, soldiers of america will have to kill and die."
~Arthur Schlesinger
Council on Foreign Relations Journal

"Military men are just dumb. Stupid animals, to be just used as pawns in foreign policy."
~Henery Kissinger
Council on Foreign Relations

"The dirty little secret is that both houses of congress are ireilvant. American's domestic policy is now being run by Alan Greenspan and The Federal Reserve. Americas foreign policy is now being run by the International Montary Fund. When the president desides to go to war, he no longer needs a declartion of war from congress."
~Robert Reich
Jan. 7, 1999
USA Today

"The powers of finacial capatism at a far reaching aim: ...nothing less then to to create a world system of finacial control in private hands, able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole."
~ Dr. Carol Quigley
Professor from George Town Univerisity
Author of Tragedy & Hope

"In the next century nations as we know it will be absolete. All states will reconize a single global authority."
~Strobe Talbott
President Clinton's Deputy Secetary of State

~Time Magazine
July 20, 1992

"The bankers own the earth. Take it awy from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough money to buy it back again.
However, take away from them the power to create money, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in.
But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money."
~Sir Josiah Stamp
Former Director of The Bank of England

"We are greatful to the Washington Post, the NY Times, Time Magazine, and other great punlications whose directors have attended our meeting and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years.
But now the world is more sophesticated and prepared to march towards a world goverment.
The supra national sovereignty of an antellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centeries."
~David Rockeefller
Private Banker
Concil on Foreign Relations
June 1991

"We are on the verge of global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
~David Rockefeller
at the UN
Semptember 1994

"We are part of a secret cabal working against the best interest of the United States ...consipiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world."
~David Rockefeller
in his book "Memoirs"

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
~Henery Ford

Here is an article to view if you need some research to back up what I claim.

Please view the list of atendees, and notice many names such as Hilary Clinton, John McCane, and Obama, YES that correct politicians attending a shadow goverment meetings and playing along with their agends for world goverment. I've said it before and will continue to say it, it matters not who you vote for, when it comes down to it, the system, the Bilderburg group has developed will take away your rights to vote and dismiss any votes that dont count in their favor, just look at what happend for Bush in Flordia. Furthermore, now that they have Electronic Voting in almost every state, they can control who wins regardless, as of 1992 the media covered a man that designed a program that would flip the vote in favor of target person to win an election, he stated the only detecable way to know this program exsist is to view the source code, and as of today NO voting machine manufacture has ever let anyone view their soruce code.

"He who votes decides nothing; he who counts the votes decides everything."
~Joseph Stalin

Again Im not forcing you to go and research what I say, I am encouraging you to question me, to question them. Go do your own research, prove to me that I am wrong, dont just babble on with your opinions and likes/dislikes your gonna have a debate then prove to me with your research that I am wrong.

hey pal, thanks for posting those quotes, been looking for them for ages lol


now this guy knows whats what!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvr9Q26c ... re=related

@all the doubters...are we getting threw yet, do you even care that the money generated from the global carbon tax will be used to enslave you??

and yes, global warming is an out and out lie! and leading this lie is al gore and his stupid film. now if you belive in global warming then you must also believe that mars, jupitor and saturns moons (the moons which have ice that is) have an industrial society whose citizens drive around in gas guzzlers because thos planets are also losing their ice caps...

but dont take my word for it. remember, Google is your friend

with the exception of the 1st film none of these are funny, so please don't be fooled by titles once you've clicked the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp1QV7GG ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDFNIGdd ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNU12gvC ... ature=user

[KMA]Avenger wrote:hey pal, thanks for posting those quotes, been looking for them for ages lol


now this guy knows whats what!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvr9Q26c ... re=related

@all the doubters...are we getting threw yet, do you even care that the money generated from the global carbon tax will be used to enslave you??

and yes, global warming is an out and out lie! and leading this lie is al gore and his stupid film. now if you belive in global warming then you must also believe that mars, jupitor and saturns moons (the moons which have ice that is) have an industrial society whose citizens drive around in gas guzzlers because thos planets are also losing their ice caps...

but dont take my word for it. remember, Google is your friend

the decision maker...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp1QV7GG ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDFNIGdd ... re=related

Al Gore, the man that made the Global Warming movie is an attendee of the Bilderburg Group, as well as others that I failed to mention Bill Clintion, George W. Bush Senoir and Junior. Like I said review my link to the Bilderburg reasearch I have, I can also provide much more from sources like Jim Tucker (has covered the Bilderburg group for over 50 years), Alex Jones, Mike Ruppert and a few others.

And another source I just discovered is a piece by a man named Jeff King, here you are, its more about 9/11. And again, this is just another source I have, I can surely provide more, but dont let me do the work for you. Open your minds, become independent and think for yourself. Question what I am saying, question what your saying, do your own research, post what you have, prove to me that I am wrong.

hey ifrit, no need to preach to me lol i'm a convertee

@everyone else...

btw, i wonder why it is that we the people (the ordinary joe bloggs of the world) haven't been told that the car manufacturers have perfected hydrogen powered cars, aren't the world and its leaders concerned about global warming?? and if our leaders are so concerned why are they punishing us for all this (supposed) "Global Warming", why are they not punishing the corporations that sell us these cars which are so bad for the environment, why do they want to bring in yet another tax on the average person?

and as for these hydrogen cars? water goes in the front and water comes out the back...WOW...where can i buy 1??? well the answer is... (as far as i am aware) you cant.
basically there are 2 types, 1 is a hybrid which runs on a mixture of gas and hydrogen, and the 2nd is a full hydrogen conversion which has been perfected and is very safe to use and has (from a motoring point of view) ZERO impact on the environment.

but lets not use our brains here, lets not ask why we cant have a technology that could free us from the big oil companies and lets just carry on paying them for their over priced and dirty product.



was it about the oil...NAAAAWWW no way!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFBDkIA45a4

McCain : U.S. troops in Iraq For Oil...Oops!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQpCdfpX2Yo&NR=1

ifrit congrats and thanks for that nice long post about the fire in the building, even though I knew some facts and details and had some things connected you really filled a few gaps there which I haven't been able to conclusively find on any (non)mainstream info place. will try to check up on those few things anyway but from my current understanding (both chemistry and a bit in architecture) it fits perfectly

smoosh and if you didn't get the part with "do your own research" then i'll explain this in simple terms:
We're not hiding any sources, as you can see with avenger and ifrit, we even share them gladly, all we say is that just because we're saying something you're not supposed to believe it immediately. But by saying it we want to direct your attention to something that needs to be looked at thoroughly.

i've just finished watching an excellent documentary called "the Revolution Will Not Be Televised" and i HIGHLY recommend it to everyone.

edit.

urogard is my hero

so youse say if one crashes a plane into a skyscraper the skyscraper won't fall down?? hmm.. there's only one way to prove it...
*goes to buy plane tickets*

[KMA]Avenger wrote:and as for these hydrogen cars? water goes in the front and water comes out the back...WOW...where can i buy 1??? well the answer is... (as far as i am aware) you cant.

the above is a lie:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4563676/
so i take it ya haven't checked the rest of yer information, so i won't even bother.

urogard wrote:We're not hiding any sources, as you can see with avenger and ifrit, we even share them gladly,

what about sources of youser sources??

corran don't want to sound disrespectful but i really don't know what you mean

user sources or your sources, which one did you mean?

1st) could a plane bring down a building? i dont think so...

"Elevator World
3/01/96
July 28, 1945 - Plane Hits Building - Woman Survives 75-Story Fall
By William Roberts

NEW YORK Lost amid the hoopla surrounding the celebrations of the end of World War II has been the 50th anniversary of the army plane crash into the Empire State Building. Many do not know of the tragic incident of July 28, 1945 -- the day a B-25 bomber, lost in fog, rammed into what was then the world's tallest building. Fewer, still, remember the miraculous survival of the woman who fell 75 stories when the cables to her elevator were severed.

Lieutenant Colonel William F. Smith, Jr., a decorated veteran of 100 combat missions, was piloting the bomber from his home in Bedford, Massachusetts to Newark, New Jersey to pick up his commanding officer, before returning to home base in South Dakota. The flight plan called for Smith to land at LaGuardia Airport. A dense fog over the city led the air traffic controller to direct that a landing be made. Smith, however, apparently believing he could maneuver safely through the fog, asked and received permission to fly on to Newark -- on the other side of Manhattan from LaGuardia. The last thing the air traffic controller told Smith was, 'At the present time, I can't see the top of the Empire State Building.'

The War Department, now a section of the Defense Department, later determined the pilot erred in judgment when electing to fly over Manhattan in the weather conditions which prevailed at the time' -- Smith should never have been cleared to proceed on to Newark. Disoriented by the dense fog, he apparently believed he was on Manhattan's west side.

Smith's final blunder came when he passed the Chrysler Building. Had he kicked the left rudder, he would have been safe; instead, he went right rudder and directly on a path to the Empire State Building. At 200 miles per hour, the unarmed trainer bomber screamed down 42nd Street and banked south over 5th Avenue. The pilot tried desperately to climb, but it was too late. At 9:40 that Saturday morning, the B-25 slammed into the 79th floor of the Empire State Building.

Luckily, the accident occurred on a weekend, with only about 1,500 people in the building -- compared with the 10,000-15,000 on an average weekday. Still, 14 died in the accident -- 11 in the building, plus Colonel Smith and the other two occupants of the plane. Hardest hit was the Catholic War Relief Office on the 79th floor, directly in the path of the bomber. Eight relief office workers were killed.

Extensive Damage Reported

Damage to the building and the surrounding area was extensive. An 18-by-20 foot hole was gouged by the B-25, and one of the plane's engines plowed through the building, emerging on the 33rd Street side and crashing through the roof of a neighboring building. Upon impact, windows shattered, and glass fell to the street. When the bomber hit, its fuel tanks exploded, sending flames racing across the 79th floor in all directions. According to Althea S. Lethbridge, a secretary for a trading company on the 72nd floor, 'Everything shook. (At the window), we saw flames below and above us. It was scary; we didn't know how fireproof the building was.'

Lethbridge and those not severely injured had to walk 70 flights down the darkened stairwell. Many reported seeing flaming debris fall down the elevator shafts. Unaware that the plane's other engine and part of its landing gear had fallen through the elevator shaft, rescue workers used elevators to transport casualties.

Unbeknownst to rescuers, when the hoist and governor cables of one of the elevators had been severed, ropes to other cars had been weakened. Nevertheless, the elevators had to be used to transport those severely injured, including Betty Lou Oliver. As the plane hit, Oliver, an elevator operator, was blown out of her post on the 80th floor and badly burned. After receiving first aid, she was put in another car to go down to an ambulance. As the elevator doors closed, rescue workers heard what sounded like a gunshot but what was, in fact, the snapping of elevator cables weakened by the crash. The car with Oliver inside, now at the 75th floor, plunged to the sub-basement, a fall of over 1,000 feet. Rescuers had to cut a hole in the car to get to the badly injured elevator operator.

Despite a harrowing experience, Oliver survived, due in large part to the elevator safety devices which served their function, though perhaps not as envisioned. The elevator car safety could not set because the governor cable had been severed by the plane's impact. Therefore, other factors contributed to slowing the elevator and 'cushioning' its fall. As the elevator fell, the compensating cables, hanging from beneath the car, piled up in the pit and acted as a coiled spring, slowing the elevator. Also, the hatchway was of a 'high-pressure' design, with minimum clearance around the car. In such a small space, the air was compressed under the falling elevator. With such a tight fit of the car in the hatchway, the trapped air created an air cushion in the lower portion of the shaft -- thereby further slowing the elevator car and allowing its occupant to survive.

Though this accident can certainly be noted as a tragedy, some comfort can be found; the loss of life was certainly not as great as it could have been. Had it occurred on a weekday, the accident would have claimed many more casualties. If the plane had been a fully armed B-25 bomber instead of a trainer, the destruction and devastation could have been catastrophic. In addition, had the elevator been installed improperly or had its safety devices been of poor quality -- even though they may not have worked exactly as envisioned, they still performed their duty by saving a human life -- Ms. Oliver could not have fallen 1,000 feet in an elevator and lived to tell about it. "




2nd) theres no need to be hostile.

3rd) its been a while since i checked whether these cars have been made available to the public or are still on the shelf so to speak.

4th) i i have raised MANY points and you have chosen to challenge me on only 1 (which is out of date) and you have rightly corrected me, so if i understand you correctly my WHOLE argument and all the points i have raised are flawed because of 1 mistake? your argument makes no sense

we have repeatedly asked you guys to think for yourselves and correct us where we need correcting, and when you find a point which needed correcting you act like you just killed every conspiracy theory

i keep telling you guys that Google is your friend but no one seems to listen

[KMA]Avenger wrote:i keep telling you guys that Google is your friend but no one seems to listen

omg!! i have a friend! i have a friend!

You gotta understand these people have the tools and the knowledge of Euginics and phychology on their side. They know how the mind works, they know how human emotions works. They know that if they cause you to be affraid or be in fear that you will except there idea of tyranny. They are slowly conditioning you to obey their way.
But you dont believe me? These Nazi lovers are following the patterns and tactics of The Nazi's. Terrorism to manipulate you to believe if you let them lead you they will make you safe. But what makes me say they are Nazi lovers, and they support their tactics, their ways? Simply anwsered, these poloticians are members of Skull & Bones, a secret society dedicated to world domination and the destruction of humanity.

The Hegelian Principle, The Hegelian Principle was formulated by George Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, German philosopher. It is a process intended to produce Oneness of Mind through a process of 1) thesis: embodying a particular view or position; 2) antithesis: providing an opposing or contrary position; and 3) synthesis: which reconciles the two previous positions and then becomes the basis of a new thesis…in accordance with the laws of dialectical materialism (Webster's Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary). In theory, through a continual process of evolution, Oneness of Mind is achieved. This process can also be used to 1) create crisis, 2) opposition to crisis, to 3) effect the wanted solution.

Skull & Bones known members - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sk ... es_members
Skull & Bones History and other information - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones

Other known information not contained in the above links;
The symbol was also used to symbolize Jupiter: The God of Death
What does the 322 stand for? Look up, Genesis 3:22, "And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, Know good and evil"
They are exalting themselves to the status of God.

some video sources;
http://www.youtube.com/v/cW9RtfIiMog&rel=1
http://www.youtube.com/v/mRMojMp3Flk

The Bohemian Grove Is an Offshoot of Skull & Bones many members of the S&B have recenty been discovered to be members of this Order of Death.

some history and information - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove

The Dark Secrets - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... TtDA&hl=en

The Order of Death - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... X7Aw&hl=en


probably one of the greatest films about 9/11 I have ever watched - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... HcDg&hl=en

Corran Horn wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:i keep telling you guys that Google is your friend but no one seems to listen

omg!! i have a friend! i have a friend!

is this how you challenge me??? what you need to do is challenge the official story and stop attacking me with stupid comments because ultimately your the one that looks foolish and not me.

your attitude is reminiscent of germans pre ww2, think about what it is you are saying and try to at least keep an open mind, for YOUR sake, not mine.

For future reference whoever gets to read this topic, YOU have 3 choices to do.

1) start researching on your own this to see whether there is any truth to what anyone who posted so far is saying. If you don't have much time then just click on the links that have been posted so far or ask for some specific ones, i'm sure someone will help ya out.
2) do what most, but fortunately not everyone (at least our numbers are growing, yay finally humanity is opening their eyes), people do and ignore this issue until it's too late and then on that day you accept your fate that you've turned into a slave and stand no chance ever changing that without help "from the top" (and NO, i don't mean god or any such similar hallucination)
3) same as 2) but on that day you'll desperately will try to do what we are doing now but you'll notice that it's too late back then and all you can do is accept your fate

4) we're all wrong and the world isn't going so much downhill as we are fearing it is. (I'd personally prefer this one to be true but looking at what's happening and what it is going to lead to and what this lead to in the past several thousand years i would call 4) wishful thinking)

Actually, I think you guys have a point, especially the Bildiberg group (or however you say it). I just think that 9/11 wasn't an inside job, because our government is not that good. These guys got together in the 90's. Why didn't they use the Cole bombing to such an extent?, instead? I think they were just waiting for a big attack they knew was going to happen sooner or later before the sprang. (Btw, as a comment on YouTube pointed out, explosions=/=explosives. One of the jokes at my school during fire drills is that our regulation stopping point is actually pretty close to the school, considering the amount of gas and other combustionable products in the school.)

As for the global cabal theory, I actually agree (to an extent). Do I think Bush is in it? No, he's really not that devious/clever. Could Cheney be in it? Quite possibly. Do I think it would be great if we decided to lock up these conspirators, charge them on counts of treason (death penalty would be a final solution), root out their system, seize their personal funds (give the stockowners their portions back to keep people happy), with a final solution being 1) conspirators captured, 2) funds pay off (or eliminate) national debt, and 3) Federal Reserve is once again a government agency. You betcha!

However, as semi-solid an arguement you guys put together, I have to ask this. What can actually be done about it? Protests will be dismissed, Congress and the President.... (would they even listen?), and it's not like you have their messages and meeting or even their whole roster. So, while you can raise a big ruckus, what's the point?