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Re: Empires Poll.
Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:14 am
by LuLz
Voted yes...why? I think it's bad for the game and a lot of people hide in empires to get protection from bigger players while they aren't even devoted to their alliance. But hey, that's just my opinion
Re: Empires Poll.
Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:06 am
by Wolf359
Giovanni wrote:Wolf359 wrote:A bit strange to ask for explanations from people who say 'No' in the poll, but not from any who say 'Yes' - and no explanation as to why the poll is made either? What did prompt it?
Bottom line is - it doesn't matter one bit - Empires can be traced right back to the very first couple of weeks of the game, it just so happens that it wasn't until some time later that Empires/multi alliances themselves were given names (GA, TLC, The Faction etc).
AN impossible thing to get rid of, so don't see the point in asking about it.
I wanted to see how other people think about this, clearly you can make that up from all the posts made.
And also, lol, even GA wasn't as over sized as even OE or DDE alone is today.
The bottom line is, Doesn't it ruin the game having only 2 sides ?
lol - GA at it's biggest was massive and included:
*deep breath*
EPA
TSA
359 Company
Omega Allegiance
Alpha Allegiance
Omega System Lords
Dirty Dozen
D2 (or whatever DD's other alliance was at the time)
Ancient Brethren
Disciples of the Brethren
Dark Dominium Empire (I think they only had 2 alliances at the time)
Those were the main alliances - but there were others on the fringes:
Warlords of Briton
Warriors of Briton
Bad Wolf Project
The Hive
FAHQKD (or whatever they were called at the time)
And these are only the ones that I can remember off the top of my head - but is already 17 alliances that were in or associated with the GA (and which ultimately led to its break up).
As for there only being 2 sides - well that's all down to people's choice isn't it!
I've said it before, and will say it again - the power to take down an oppressive organisation in this game is there, if people really want to do it - but then there will always be somebody who raises another.
As for today's 'big guns' - FUALL is, in my opinion, a rag-tag organisation that are a shadow of what they once were in the GA/CoP (but they can be rag-tag because teh game no longer requires a tightly knit unit) - clinging to their unity just to stick up 2 fingers to the rest of the game - hell, even their name tells you that (and fair play to them)! And, TJP are a recreation of CIA - to oppose FUALL. These 2 sides may be the biggest - but only because others are weak, and choose one side in fear, or because they know they cannot stand alone. Maybe if somebody did, rather than moaning about it, they might rally some support?
But, it all boils down to what the game has turned into - and mainly because impatient people have got the ridiculous updates they wanted.
Re: Empires Poll.
Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:54 am
by urogard
Wolf359 wrote:But, it all boils down to what the game has turned into - and mainly because impatient people have got the ridiculous updates they wanted.
And yet people have the unimaginable guts of moaning after they hold as much fault as those they complain about and are probably even more at fault than jason.
jason only codes the stuff, it is the community which chooses to accept crappy updates, and often even call out for many of them.
Re: Empires Poll.
Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:27 am
by Rocky
urogard wrote:Wolf359 wrote:But, it all boils down to what the game has turned into - and mainly because impatient people have got the ridiculous updates they wanted.
And yet people have the unimaginable guts of moaning after they hold as much fault as those they complain about and are probably even more at fault than jason.
jason only codes the stuff, it is the community which chooses to accept crappy updates, and often even call out for many of them.
i have a wierd feeling that wolf wasn't one of those people tho
Re: Empires Poll.
Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:41 am
by urogard
ROCKY wrote:i have a wierd feeling that wolf wasn't one of those people tho
neither did i meant to put him into the same group, i merely wanted to extend upon his ideas.
Re: Empires Poll.
Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:39 am
by Brdavs
Noobert wrote:Brdavs wrote:And yes this is my cue to do some soulsearching of myown.
Does this mean you will be leaving TLE? Hmm..Might be my being tired. But that is what it sounded like.
Hey I never said I expect to find something...
But it`d be hypocritical of me to just diss it out without aknowledging I`m also one of the coggs that make up the "problem"...
As for there only being 2 sides - well that's all down to people's choice isn't it!
I've said it before, and will say it again - the power to take down an oppressive organisation in this game is there, if people really want to do it - but then there will always be somebody who raises another.
Thats like saying living uder Sadam was choice of the Iraqi people. Not much of a choice if you have no viable alternatives for non "crusading" types, is it? The entire page one got spanked the other day, for just being there and not being friends with the right people. People outside FUA and TTF arent "weaker", they`re just smarter and/or practically forced to lay low in face of overinflated egos (and the like) of certain induviduals/groups. Cos if you`re a decent blip on the general radar sooner or later you get spanked by the old guard and hecnhmen inc., mostly just for laughs. Big diff if you ask me. If you wanna avoid the splendid gameplay" we now enjoy you must firstly and foremostly be a nobody heh.
And no, the power to take an organisation down is not there, I thought you allways said the lack of power to take anything down was the core issue of SGW heh.
As to weather or not new simmilar organizations would jump up given the chance... bit presumptous to speculate, given the fact all these huge organizations have basically been run by the same few induviduals from day one. Thats just and excuse and "every1 is out to get us" paranoia. Who knows, community might surprise us all lol.
Re: Empires Poll.
Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 10:12 pm
by Ferra
Mordack wrote:Ferra wrote:Mordack wrote:Yes and no.
And yes because I realize that Empires are bad for this game. In fact, I'd even go so far as to say that they're very, very bad for the game, and that in order for it to progress and thrive again all of these coalitions are going to have to be ended somehow. But unless a few more people from either side start to think like me, though, I don't think we can look forward to it anytime soon.
Thats one of the many reasons I have left...
Well, I take my hat off to you.. but I don't think one or two people leaving to form irrelevant, offshoot alliances is going to make a hell of a lot of difference in the long time. For real change to occur there's going to have to be major alterations in the way that the vast majority of the playerbase looks at the game.
Your right, but if more people leave the maybe then people left will start to realize what the game really needs and play differently. As for offshoot alliance, were just a group of friends from chat and friends of friends from chat that got together and made an alliance.
REK wrote:odd u said u left cause you hadnt been doing anything in the war anyway ..hmm
REK I left for a few reasons both ingame and in real life. I wasn't active in the war the past few months, I would log in, farm for a turn or two and get bored and log out. And the past two months up to a few weeks ago when I left I didn't have internet. My ideas on empires and super alliances leading the game into the ground happened before I lost net access.
Re: Empires Poll.
Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 4:27 am
by Wolf359
Brdavs wrote:Noobert wrote:Brdavs wrote:And yes this is my cue to do some soulsearching of myown.
Does this mean you will be leaving TLE? Hmm..Might be my being tired. But that is what it sounded like.
Hey I never said I expect to find something...
But it`d be hypocritical of me to just diss it out without aknowledging I`m also one of the coggs that make up the "problem"...
As for there only being 2 sides - well that's all down to people's choice isn't it!
I've said it before, and will say it again - the power to take down an oppressive organisation in this game is there, if people really want to do it - but then there will always be somebody who raises another.
Thats like saying living uder Sadam was choice of the Iraqi people. Not much of a choice if you have no viable alternatives for non "crusading" types, is it? The entire page one got spanked the other day, for just being there and not being friends with the right people. People outside FUA and TTF arent "weaker", they`re just smarter and/or practically forced to lay low in face of overinflated egos (and the like) of certain induviduals/groups. Cos if you`re a decent blip on the general radar sooner or later you get spanked by the old guard and hecnhmen inc., mostly just for laughs. Big diff if you ask me. If you wanna avoid the splendid gameplay" we now enjoy you must firstly and foremostly be a nobody heh.
And no, the power to take an organisation down is not there, I thought you allways said the lack of power to take anything down was the core issue of SGW heh.
As to weather or not new simmilar organizations would jump up given the chance... bit presumptous to speculate, given the fact all these huge organizations have basically been run by the same few induviduals from day one. Thats just and excuse and "every1 is out to get us" paranoia. Who knows, community might surprise us all lol.
Incorrect - I've always said that the fact that one person can take down an entire alliance without any preparation or even thought is wrong.
The power to take down an organisation is there - if all these people who constantly moaned about Empires decided to band together to take an Empire down, they could do it - or at least induce a stalemate (which seems to be a victory these days). Tee reason they don't is because they are scared to do so - in case nobody else joins them (much like your Iraqi analogy) - you even said as much yourself - but in actual fact, all it takes is a couple to step forward, and others would join.
Re: Empires Poll.
Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:25 am
by Quina Quen
It's all about the faith brothers and sisters.
Re: Empires Poll.
Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:34 pm
by Tekki
Oh ye gods... for once I agree with Brdavs.
If you are not one of the big crowds, it's lay low and hope. If you then do get attacked, even if you request and try to rally help, the rest of the game does not give a stuff and simply sits and watches, or sucks up to whoever it is who is hitting you in the hope they don't get smacked which eventually they do, but maybe not by those they were sucking up to or maybe they do.
There is a lack of will within the community to put themselves on the line for others, even if it's for the greater good of the game or to even vocalise complaints about things they deem wrong. And until that changes, well get used to the empires because force in numbers is all that will really help you.
Re: Empires Poll.
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:22 am
by TheWay
Re: Empires Poll.
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:39 am
by Giovanni
It's an Yes, So this can be closed.
Re: Empires Poll.
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:20 pm
by Lore
Giovanni wrote:It's an Yes, So this can be closed.