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Re: Should we allow

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:30 am
by Rienna
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8. a steam locomotive having a four-wheeled front truck, four driving wheels, and no rear truck.




sorry, I'm still laughing about that one... Jack.... I didn't know you were a steam locomotive! :shock: :o :lol:


(and I'm not going to even dignify that guy with a responce.)

Re: Should we allow

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:41 am
by Cole
Let's check if "most of the world" is into that war...
UK: yes
Russia: no
France: no
Germany: no
Japan: not anymore
China: no
India: no
Spain: not anymore
Australia: yes
Portugal: not anymore
Netherlands: not anymore
South Korea: yes
Italy: not anymore
Brazil: no
Argentina: no
Indonesia: no

I think almost noone is now at least.

However when I read the stats of Afghanistan war, a NEEDED war, I'm facepalming when I see that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afg ... %93present)#International_reactions
#-o
It should be 90+% agreeing everywhere! :x :roll:

Re: Should we allow

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:34 am
by Rienna
LegendaryApophis wrote:Let's check if "most of the world" is into that war...
UK: yes
Russia: no
France: no
Germany: no
Japan: not anymore
China: no
India: no
Spain: not anymore
Australia: yes
Portugal: not anymore
Netherlands: not anymore
South Korea: yes
Italy: not anymore
Brazil: no
Argentina: no
Indonesia: no

I think almost noone is now at least.

However when I read the stats of Afghanistan war, a NEEDED war, I'm facepalming when I see that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afg ... %93present)#International_reactions
#-o
It should be 90+% agreeing everywhere! :x :roll:



thank you for helping prove my point. MOST of the world is against the war in iraq. Thus, US can't be the leader of the world, because otherwise they'd be having some major issues about the mutany of the rest of the world and there'd be serious reprocussions, instead of them off in their own little lump of land licking their wounds.

Re: Should we allow

Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:39 pm
by Apadamek
or we just don't want you to think that every country on earth has forces in Iraq. National security.

Re: Should we allow

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:14 am
by RBR
This is a silly discussion...
US gone in war with Irak and Afghanistan only for the petrol...
they destroy everything there, brought the large oil Co`s to reload the extraction operations, and what else...???
give freedom to Irakian people????????????????????
BIG JOKE...they are starving in ghettos while US extract their natural resources...
and the speech is: US attacked Irak to bring freedom for the Irakian people...
...and test some new war toys, soul edit out, kill some "infidels", steel Saddam`s valuables, resurrect the Army`s huge budget from the common American`s pocket, make a clear road to inaccessible resources for the American oil Co`s, and pomp some USD in reconstruction of Irak, made by US Co`s with huge commission...
The sad thing is that while the rest of the world just watching all this, the every American citizen pay for this , the USD goes from the common Americans pocket in taxes to support the war and the "reconstruction", finally arriving back to some Co`s large accounts, in some tropical island :-D
you just recycling your money, paying some huge commissions :-D
and you are mad coz no other country help you :shock:

come on now RBR. your points are good, well most of them other than the edited one which was kind of inappropriate and just intended to conjure up loathing emotions in the populace. just keep an eye on what you post ;)

Re: Should we allow

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:07 am
by Solus
personally (mentioned before, cant remember in this thread or another in the past, eitherway its somewhere out there...) i dont know what to think about Iraq anymore.

it can be looked upon as a 'political propoganda tool' in the sense of the supposed WMD's, (which USA sold weapons to the Iraqi government a LONG time ago..... but thats not the point here.) political propoganda, my own Prime Minister (australian PM elected in last year, Kevin Rudd) used effectively to oust the then pm John Howard. [spoiler](or KRudd as i call him, i dislike his politics.... before being elected, supported the invasion, said there are weapons, and when the war became unpopular and there were none found, he quickly changed his tone and went on to claim they were never there out of convenience. now we have this guy as our PM..... :roll: )

anyway after mini rant anti my PM....[/spoiler]

but more to the point, in the end we invaded and ousted a leader. on one hand, Hussein was a cruel dictator. on the other side, he was their leader AS BROUGHT ABOUT BY THEIR CULTURE. basically we went in and pulled him out of office 'because we didnt like him'. that i dont agree with but i agree with a violent dictator not being in power anymore but once again it isnt our CULTURE over there, thus not our right to decide.

Now as far as Afghanistan is concerned, i support this with no doubts. and heres why:
-Terrorists attacked western culture out of a religous hatred. FACT.
-we went to detain them under a war condition, they attacked and harmed citizens, thus justifyable. the taliban hid inside afghanistan. FACT.
-the Afghanistan government was approached and was told the following: we are at war with the Taliban, they have taken refuge inside Afghanistan with your protection. hand them over or that will be seen as an act of war, thus we will be at war with you. FACT.
-the Afghanistan government refused, thus war declared. they harbored a terrorist organisation at war with a country and refused to hand them over. war justifyable. FACT.

as far as resource plundering, little do people realise that war is a HUGE logistical exercise. food, water, ammo, supplies, beds, tools, vehicles, fuel and other things have to be taken into account. so establishing resources in the area is only natural. and considering that we were at war with the afghanistan government too, it is a foolish theory to let them have access to a HUGE resource that could fund a war campaign. now establishing a foothold resource wise not only do we have to secure the resources, but its just tactics to use it to support the war front.

why are we still there? the taliban has majorly been defeated. but fighting insurgency still shows signs of their willingness to fight, and while that still remains, to ANY military officer, American, Australian, European, its just logic that you do NOT leave a threat to continue fighting you or your allies, because simply this is WAR. thats the cruel reality, REGARDLESS of culture.