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Re: The validity of the Christian Bible take 2!!!
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:01 am
by n3M351s
Spyridon wrote:Well, for me the validity of the bible is sort of weakened. I mean, it's written by man. And man can lie and distort the meaning of the words to fit their own needs. What ever maybe have been the original words could have been changed through the centuries? How many editions are out there? How many times has the Bible been edited?
The Bible was written by God through man. Yes it has changed over the centuries. The main problems came about when it was translated to English. There are well over a hundred
different versions.
The message of the Bible today is still accurate as accurate as the day it was written. There have been many modifications, amendments and changes but that's all a part of translation. Then there's the changes from Middle English to Early Modern English to Modern English. Different denominations use different versions. (eg. NKJV or NIV)
If you want to know more about the accuracy of the modern Bible against the original texts there is a lot of information out there you just have to find it.
Re: The validity of the Christian Bible take 2!!!
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:03 am
by n3M351s
Patty Hughes wrote:The catholic Church has addressed this issue by making it... I'm not sure what the term would be.. canon? Idk but the Church and the current Pope have stated that the belief in life beyond earth does not go against the teachings of the bible.
FYI, I disagree with the Catholic Church.
Re: The validity of the Christian Bible take 2!!!
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:48 am
by n3M351s
LiQuiD wrote:Spyridon wrote:Well, for me the validity of the bible is sort of weakened. I mean, it's written by man. And man can lie and distort the meaning of the words to fit their own needs. What ever maybe have been the original words could have been changed through the centuries? How many editions are out there? How many times has the Bible been edited?
dude the answer the religious fanatics will give is that the bible is entirely perfect and correct. and the editing and changes would apparently be god working through the thousands of people who made the changes. they have a blind and pointless answer for everything lol but they are wrong.
if you really want to see the more creative and groundless stuff just mention the biblical age of the earth. thats like their hallucinogenic drug. they think its around 10,000 years old. they is reality impaired.
dont worry. come judgement day (next wednesday) they will go to hell for lying
The catholic Church has addressed this issue by making it... I'm not sure what the term would be.. canon? Idk but the Church and the current Pope have stated that the belief in life beyond earth does not go against the teachings of the bible.
thats not surprising. the christian church is as big as it is now because it abandoned many beliefs and adapted to suit a mass audience. will have to look into that it should be funny hearing the pope talking about aliens. perhaps he will
whip out his AK-47 and save the world with will smith when the time comes
*crosses fingers
edit
actually i think the church has banned the clergy from whipping things out. maybe he will take the AK-47 out when at least 2 other independant adults are present in accordance with their rules
Thank you for your amusing input. It really is quite funny coming across your posts when it is obvious you have no idea at all.
Re: The validity of the Christian Bible take 2!!!
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:57 am
by Demeisen
n3M351s wrote:Thank you for your amusing input. It really is quite funny coming across your posts when it is obvious you have no idea at all.
very good response mate. its so in depth i shall have to use a point by point method to answer you.
ok, point 1:
i have a very good idea
point 2:
. . .
if you wish, i can easily and willingly crush any (reasonable and reasonably well known or fundamental) points you might make?
ive dropped my big metal mitten. dare you pick it up?
oh and watch out for my posts. they mostly come at night.
mostly
Re: The validity of the Christian Bible take 2!!!
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 6:18 am
by Deaths_Rider
please let this topic just die i love too argue and discuss things that are unprovable but there is no point arguing religion as a religious person wont listen to an oposing view saying its about faith and a non religious person wont listen saying it's un-intellectual i'll start a new unwinable argument if people just let this die.
Re: The validity of the Christian Bible take 2!!!
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 6:29 am
by Demeisen
well im confident i can prove many things about religion as false (well at least to anyone who isnt fanatical)
faith is fine.
praising god? go for it.
they are a personal choice and can be argued against but that is undesirable.
believing things which are obviously false is not cool. it shows the brainwashing of society when a person dismisses sense in favour of idiocy
Re: The validity of the Christian Bible take 2!!!
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:38 pm
by Osi
I personally disagree with mainstream religion, faith is a personal connection with God, gods, or whatever you happened to believe in, you shouldn't have to be forced to believe fables and altered mythology to have a personal covenant with God.
On the not of he validity of the Bible, the fact that there are lists of books, included and not included based on region, demographics, and the differences int eh stories proves that the bible is not a perfect manuscript. While it may be the product of divine intervention, and it may tell true events, Such as the Life of Christ, he existed Roman records prove it. When divine liturgy fails follow tax reports... Anyways the majority of the bible is meant to teach you a lessen not describe true events. The Great Flood is an impossible event, the entire earth could never be completely flooded. That and the air would have been so thin that everyone on the Ark would have been asphyxiated, and any survivors would have dwindled and died as a species do to rampant inbreeding...
Re: The validity of the Christian Bible take 2!!!
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:47 pm
by n3M351s
Deaths_Rider wrote:please let this topic just die i love too argue and discuss things that are unprovable but there is no point arguing religion as a religious person wont listen to an oposing view saying its about faith and a non religious person wont listen saying it's un-intellectual i'll start a new unwinable argument if people just let this die.
I agree.
Re: The validity of the Christian Bible take 2!!!
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:56 pm
by n3M351s
LiQuiD wrote:believing things which are obviously false is not cool. it shows the brainwashing of society when a person dismisses sense in favour of idiocy
I agree 100% with you there, Atheism ey.
Re: The validity of the Christian Bible take 2!!!
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:23 pm
by n3M351s
Patty Hughes wrote:I personally disagree with mainstream religion, faith is a personal connection with God, gods, or whatever you happened to believe in, you shouldn't have to be forced to believe fables and altered mythology to have a personal covenant with God.
Completely agree with you there.
Patty Hughes wrote:Anyways the majority of the bible is meant to teach you a lessen not describe true events.
Yes the Bible is meant to describe lessons and it does describe true events.
Patty Hughes wrote:The Great Flood is an impossible event, the entire earth could never be completely flooded. That and the air would have been so thin that everyone on the Ark would have been asphyxiated
Nothing is impossible for an all powerful God.
Patty Hughes wrote:any survivors would have dwindled and died as a species do to rampant inbreeding...
Mutation is an effect of inbreeding however it does not happen in every case. If those with no deformations keep breeding with other people with no deformations it in-fact makes their lineage stronger.
Re: The validity of the Christian Bible take 2!!!
Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 7:07 am
by Demeisen
n3M351s wrote:I agree.
translation: i give up because i have no basis for my arguments.
n3M351s wrote:I agree 100% with you there, Atheism ey.
isnt that a bit, no very, hypocritical? and who is atheist?
n3M351s wrote:Yes the Bible is meant to describe lessons and it does describe true events.
no it doesnt. many things in the bible are proven false. if you wish i can provide some evidence and in turn watch you post unfounded, highly questionable and false information as a response?
n3M351s wrote:Nothing is impossible for an all powerful God.
you mean like genocide on a level with that caused by atomic weapons? we can match God's capacity to murder, if the bible is to be believed.
n3M351s wrote:Mutation is an effect of inbreeding however it does not happen in every case. If those with no deformations keep breeding with other people with no deformations it in-fact makes their lineage stronger.
any sufficiently knowledgeable medical professional will tell you inbreeding is harmful and dangerous. to think inbreeding wont be damaging is pure nonsense. a clear (and easy to understand
) example can be seen with pedigree dogs. lack of genetic variety caused by the small gene pool and constant inbreeding mean the dogs often have terrible health.
do you have a dummies guide to arguing false points to shelter lies?
Re: The validity of the Christian Bible take 2!!!
Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:15 pm
by n3M351s
Me in yellow.LiQuiD wrote:n3M351s wrote:I agree.
translation: i give up because i have no basis for my arguments.
No, because I'm sick of debating with someone (you) so narrow sighted and arrogant that he wont admit when he's been shown wrong and refuses to accept fact and possibility of things he doesn't and can't understand.n3M351s wrote:I agree 100% with you there, Atheism ey.
isnt that a bit, no very, hypocritical? and who is atheist?
How is that hypocritical? And my assumption is you are.n3M351s wrote:Yes the Bible is meant to describe lessons and it does describe true events.
no it doesnt. many things in the bible are proven false. if you wish i can provide some evidence and in turn watch you post unfounded, highly questionable and false information as a response?
Please do. FYI just because a something doesn't have evidence to back it up doesn't make it false.n3M351s wrote:Nothing is impossible for an all powerful God.
you mean like genocide on a level with that caused by atomic weapons? we can match God's capacity to murder, if the bible is to be believed.
Answer in quote.n3M351s wrote:Mutation is an effect of inbreeding however it does not happen in every case. If those with no deformations keep breeding with other people with no deformations it in-fact makes their lineage stronger.
any sufficiently knowledgeable medical professional will tell you inbreeding is harmful and dangerous. to think inbreeding wont be damaging is pure nonsense. a clear (and easy to understand
) example can be seen with pedigree dogs. lack of genetic variety caused by the small gene pool and constant inbreeding mean the dogs often have terrible health.
I'm no medical professional but I can tell you that yes inbreeding 'can' be harmful although it can also be beneficial. Do some research and get your facts straight plz.do you have a dummies guide to arguing false points to shelter lies?
Nope. I'll leave the 'Dummies' guides to you as their not really doing you any favours.
Re: The validity of the Christian Bible take 2!!!
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:13 am
by Thriller
Re: The validity of the Christian Bible take 2!!!
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:17 am
by Thriller
n3M351s wrote:
I'm no medical professional but I can tell you that yes inbreeding 'can' be harmful although it can also be beneficial. Do some research and get your facts straight plz.
You can tell yourself that but what are you going to tell your kids.... the ones born with ears i mean.
Re: The validity of the Christian Bible take 2!!!
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:40 pm
by n3M351s
Thriller wrote:n3M351s wrote:
I'm no medical professional but I can tell you that yes inbreeding 'can' be harmful although it can also be beneficial. Do some research and get your facts straight plz.
You can tell yourself that but what are you going to tell your kids.... the ones born with ears i mean.
?I have no idea what you're getting at.
