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he was saying that that violence still happens in nations that have always allowed the police to carry firearms... I.E. America were all these vids are from. Now if you actually read his post you would realize that he was countering your argument not putting words in your mouth. Your argument is inherently flawed, llaw enforcement is held back by paperwork and the bloated legal systems of the modern era, the addition of fire arms is nothing. Police in the past could arrest and hang someone for the heck of it. Police today are tame.

Exactly.

Thriller wrote:growing from what avenger?, maybe you should brush up on your history concerning civil rights and law enforcement.

hmmm, after watching those clips (assuming you took the time to see them), is that all you have to say?!

i get the distinct impression you SERIOUSLY don't like (maybe even hate) me...why, because my opinions differ from yours?
if i am correct and you SERIOUSLY dont like me and it is because my opinions differ from yours then that's cool, but if i have offended you in some way i wish you would tell me so i can apologize if i have stepped out of line!

that wasn't an aggressive post from thriller... at all. He's right, yours post shows nothing shocking. Brush up on your history, much worse has been done and nothing happened to the officers, now they answer for brutality instead of receiving promotions for it.

LC, call it instinct...

now, we are talking about the here and now, not the past...that much is obvious, isn't it?

as for much worse things have happened in the past...that much is also obvious, isn't it?


if any of you guys are interested in discussing these "much worse things" from the past then please, by all means, make a new topic and i will be happy to discuss them

[KMA]Avenger wrote:LC, call it instinct...

now, we are talking about the here and now, not the past...that much is obvious, isn't it?

as for much worse things have happened in the past...that much is also obvious, isn't it?


if any of you guys are interested in discussing these "much worse things" from the past then please, by all means, make a new topic and i will be happy to discuss them

i just want you to get some historical context before you start saying we are heading on the highway to hell. Because the abuse of power by law enforcement is actually on the decline (unless you live in chicago).

I don't hate you avenger and i'm not sure how you got that from what i posted.

If you are refering to when i threatned to cripple you and your friends if you ever killed a gay man simply for being gay... well... that's not going to change.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:LC, call it instinct...

now, we are talking about the here and now, not the past...that much is obvious, isn't it?

as for much worse things have happened in the past...that much is also obvious, isn't it?


if any of you guys are interested in discussing these "much worse things" from the past then please, by all means, make a new topic and i will be happy to discuss them

Historic examples, such as the ones I presented, are very much relavent to the proposal put forth by yo, and others that police "brutality is on the rise". If you want to completely throw out all historical arguments then fine, but you just completely destroy your entire argument, as something can not be increasing if it did not already exist.

jack i don't think there is any helping it... I've read his arguments in other threads. Logic and facts don't matter when its his opinion on the line.

Thriller wrote:
i just want you to get some historical context before you start saying we are heading on the highway to hell. Because the abuse of power by law enforcement is actually on the decline (unless you live in chicago).

ok, since you guys insist on talking about history, we may as well all get on the same page, if we look at the police man of say the 1900's, they were in fact peace officers with very little power, that's why 2 men could stand in front of the sheriffs office and shoot each other to kingdom come, the only job the sheriff had to do was clean up the mess!

so, police powers for the past 100 (especially the past 75) years have grown exponentially and so has police brutality.

Thriller wrote:I don't hate you avenger and i'm not sure how you got that from what i posted.

my bad, its just the way you come across sometimes, i'll have a chat with my instinct

Thriller wrote:If you are refering to when i threatned to cripple you and your friends if you ever killed a gay man simply for being gay... well... that's not going to change.

i've lived certain things, so lets just say that i fear nothing-if anything (to my person), that includes death

Jack's Ghost wrote:Historic examples, such as the ones I presented, are very much relavent to the proposal put forth by yo, and others that police "brutality is on the rise". If you want to completely throw out all historical arguments then fine, but you just completely destroy your entire argument, as something can not be increasing if it did not already exist.

answered above

Locust Queen wrote:jack i don't think there is any helping it... I've read his arguments in other threads. Logic and facts don't matter when its his opinion on the line.

my opinions?

if these were my opinions, sooner or later it would have occurred to me that trying to convert people to accept an opinion as fact when its not would be akin to flogging a dead horse


maybe the word "convert" is not the right choice!?!?


i am uneducated and had to teach myself to read and write which should be obvious when you look at my use of grammar (and the amount of times i have to edit my posts), i may not know how to construct a proper or educated argument but does that mean i'm speaking out of my rear end?

sorry for the double post but we also forgot about Jean Charles de Menezes, who was shot dead by english police on 22 July 2005 he was shot in the head 9 times was it? correct me if wrong (i'm sure you will).
i remember a couple witnesses interviewed on tv and they said it almost looked like an execution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Charles_de_Menezes

This man would disagree with you Avenger... If he were still alive.

Also Let not forget this one:

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/ ... _assault_v

And this one:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-nWjSOV ... july_2008/

And a little more:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x10dlv ... -uk_webcam

Peace.

SOlid Snake wrote:Also Let not forget this one:

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/ ... _assault_v

Didn't see anything wrong. The only complaints I really saw was that they forcibly stripped her. She was obviously resisting them, so force was necessitated by her. It would appear that she was arrested for identity theft, or the attempt thereof. But the entire report was dripping with spin, it's hard to tell which is up and which is down. With so little information and with that little information being so jumbled in an attempt to spin the issue, it's impossible for a truly open minded individual to come to a conclusion regarding the case.

SOlid Snake wrote:http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-nWjSOVDyUJ4/nypd_assault_cyclist_in_times_square_29_july_2008/

Ya know, I saw that a LONG time ago, and as a biker I wanted to bash that cops teeth in. But then I noticed the following....

[spoiler][/spoiler]

Notice the direction the biker is leaning. Seems Officer Bacon was telling the truth about the kid aiming for him!

SOlid Snake wrote:http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x10dlv_the-brutal-police-state-of-the-uk_webcam

Peace.

Sorry, but I refuse to comment on pure propaganda videos. You need to present me with a reputable news source, or an actual video of an actual incident(like the Oscar Grant III videos).



To think, I actually agree with them that the officer used excessive force against Oscar Grant III, but because of the constant witch hunts of officers whom are doing their job well within reasonable limits, I'm willing to overlook the blatant abuse of power of the few cops. After all, God knows the villagers need a witch to hunt, and without one they will start to hunt innocent people.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:

Thriller wrote:
i just want you to get some historical context before you start saying we are heading on the highway to hell. Because the abuse of power by law enforcement is actually on the decline (unless you live in chicago).

ok, since you guys insist on talking about history, we may as well all get on the same page, if we look at the police man of say the 1900's, they were in fact peace officers with very little power, that's why 2 men could stand in front of the sheriffs office and shoot each other to kingdom come, the only job the sheriff had to do was clean up the mess!

so, police powers for the past 100 (especially the past 75) years have grown exponentially and so has police brutality.

Your evidence that police brutality is on the raise is that 200 years ago duals were legal?

I'm pretty sure that setting landmines to kill cutters, whom often time had the legal right to cut, is far more brutal then a cop kicking the crap out of a suspect resisting arrest. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not expert on frag mines, but surely something designed to practically mutilate someone is more brutal then someone giving someone a couple bruises, no?

Jack's Ghost wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:

Thriller wrote:
i just want you to get some historical context before you start saying we are heading on the highway to hell. Because the abuse of power by law enforcement is actually on the decline (unless you live in chicago).

ok, since you guys insist on talking about history, we may as well all get on the same page, if we look at the police man of say the 1900's, they were in fact peace officers with very little power, that's why 2 men could stand in front of the sheriffs office and shoot each other to kingdom come, the only job the sheriff had to do was clean up the mess!

so, police powers for the past 100 (especially the past 75) years have grown exponentially and so has police brutality.

Your evidence that police brutality is on the raise is that 200 years ago duals were legal?

I'm pretty sure that setting landmines to kill cutters, whom often time had the legal right to cut, is far more brutal then a cop kicking the crap out of a suspect resisting arrest. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not expert on frag mines, but surely something designed to practically mutilate someone is more brutal then someone giving someone a couple bruises, no?

you have to give him a break jack, putting things in context is not one of his strengths.