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buck wrote:My thoughts are simple, to restore the game. Completely Remove miners, and keep the raid option. Simple, but it would make it OH so much more fun again,and bring back the skill and the fear.

Buck.

Mordack wrote:I don't think that cash spending is as great a problem as a lot of people are making out. There have always been players who have poured their own money into the game. They were here right from the start. Does anybody remember ELUSIVE and the amount of PPTs which he purchased during the first few months? People used to joke that he could have funded the server single-handedly.

Updates might be part of it. I've been one of the most vocal critics of the ruinous changes which were made to the ascension server, and like many others I fear that main is going swiftly down the same route. Jason has tossed us the origins server, but I fear that it's going to be too little too late. Too many players are too deeply entrenched in this game, and have neither the time nor the inclination to start afresh.

Was it the Empires which ruined the game? Perhaps. They certainly weren't healthy. Many people find the idea of an oligopoly extremely unappealing. People complained when the NAPs stifled gameplay, and people continue to complain about how boring the server war is. Yet it was the majority of players who facilitated this decision... joining coalitions and engaging in arms race. Perhaps we're as much to blame as Jason is.

I'd like to think the game isn't dying. We still have a lot of good active players, and we still have something which resembles a sense of community on these forums. But who has the power to make radical change at the eleventh hour? Alliance leaders? Forum admin? Jason?

This last week I've been thinking a lot about my future on this game. I'm not quitting, but I'm not doing nothing either. If we don't want this game to die then we need to think about what we, the playerbase, can do to save it. Because yes, things are going downhill at the moment, and will continue to do so unless we pull our finger out.

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Brdavs wrote:I think you guys are in a hillarious nostalgia moment and in severe denial.

Allways on about how lack of difficulty is the problem... how game mechanics are to blame. How you cant seriosuly hurt anyone, how it`s no challenge. Thats BS, pure and simple.

What would have happened if you`d have these "challenging" game mechanics for the past 2 years? Or even if you put them in now? The same thing that happened on the now curiously so hated ascended. One group would form/pervail and the rest wouldnt bother cos its one thing to play a challenging game and the other to be a mazohist. And it was a snoozfest back then, for all intents and purposes, be brutally honest there.

The challanging game mechanics ascended exposed the nature of the players full well, and there is no reason whatsoever to expect the same thing would not have happened to main. Everyone and their mother alligned and whacked just the little guys. "Oh the good old days when playing was a challange". Give me a brake. Good old days for you maybe, for the game, highly debatable. Mechanic may have been challenging but the community made damn sure it wasnt, atleast not for the vocal part. Thats why I allways get kicks from guys mastermiding half a k player coalitions and enforcing&enjoying no hit policies cry how the game is now "too easy". Bunch of hypocrites. You know who you are.


Lets be frank here, its not the mechanic its the people. Its this "community". If you can call it this. This is what`s for the most part killing the game. You you you and me.
You`ve got your superiority complex "veterans" making life a hell for newbies. Ingame and on the forums. Big macho old guard. This community is about as opened to newcomers as doors of hospitality to G.W. Just the other day a guy posted here for the first time, admiting his fear of doing so. Everybody joked about it but thats a very clear indication of how this community is.
Then you have your established power&control freaks and your would be saviours (often depending on the POV). Your "gods" and your "rebels". Your annoying "snipers" and your cashcows. etc. etc. 1/4 of the community ignores eacother based on tags alone. What active folks you have are more ofthen than not people that should seek professional help about their obsessing with this game.



It really is that simple.

People have grown old here. They`ve grown saturated of eachother. They`ve gotten history. More often than not bad history. Things got personal. Not a game but an excercise in stubborness. In obsessivnes or in falling to apathy, anything short of "not winning" the unwinable. In "sticking it up to some".

I`ve said these before. We old feckers need to clear off. Few are here cos the game is still fun for them and most we do is just perpetuate old grudges few still know what they`re really aqbout and transfer them to new people via tags and "politics".

Best thing admin could do for this *game* is to suspend these forums indefinatly and/or ban all the older IDs lol. That`s, if you really want the game to be something it once was.

It hasn`t changed for the worse, you(we) have. We just have to admit it to ourselves.

Its true.... take a look back and ask yourself, "What have I taught all these young people?"

The old people of the game force the idea of massing for no reason, killing and massing without remorse is a good thing, instead of allowing them to discover and play the game for themselves.

Though the old players of the game do this, its also some of the updates Jason has put out. Sad thing is though, half the updates are actually from all the old people...

SGW isnt dying, its degrading. Its moving into a self loathed, self rightoues, no remorse massathon. An example would be my officer. Hes been playing the game probably a little over a year. He enjoys it, but if you ask him to get involved into an alliance or to switch commanders, he will say no. Why? He doesnt want to get involved into all the drama that goes with the allinaces and people of today. I sometimes bring things down upon him, but I help him learn and decide what to do next. He plays the game how he wants to play. If he needs help, hes happy to ask him because he knows I want force him into thinking or doing anything.


Thats what I have to say.

Brdavs wrote:I think you guys are in a hillarious nostalgia moment and in severe denial.

Allways on about how lack of difficulty is the problem... how game mechanics are to blame. How you cant seriosuly hurt anyone, how it`s no challenge. Thats BS, pure and simple.

What would have happened if you`d have these "challenging" game mechanics for the past 2 years? Or even if you put them in now? The same thing that happened on the now curiously so hated ascended. One group would form/pervail and the rest wouldnt bother cos its one thing to play a challenging game and the other to be a mazohist. And it was a snoozfest back then, for all intents and purposes, be brutally honest there.

How would you know? Not being rude here... but it took you the best part of a year to even arrive at the game, unless you are like myself and Mordack and waited to join the community. One group would prevail, as it should be, and then another group would eventually build up and overthrow the next. it was not a snoozefest back then. You had to be on your feet, if you went farming and got the wrong person you were in big trouble. Forget all these alliances that cannot let one of their members fight a lone that we see to this day. If you farmed a big guy, he a lone would take you because he could, these days you cannot you mass and unless you have no life at all you are not going to win.

The challanging game mechanics ascended exposed the nature of the players full well, and there is no reason whatsoever to expect the same thing would not have happened to main. Everyone and their mother alligned and whacked just the little guys. "Oh the good old days when playing was a challange". Give me a brake. Good old days for you maybe, for the game, highly debatable. Mechanic may have been challenging but the community made damn sure it wasnt, atleast not for the vocal part. Thats why I allways get kicks from guys mastermiding half a k player coalitions and enforcing&enjoying no hit policies cry how the game is now "too easy". Bunch of hypocrites. You know who you are.


Lets be frank here, its not the mechanic its the people. Its this "community". If you can call it this. This is what`s for the most part killing the game. You you you and me.
You`ve got your superiority complex "veterans" making life a hell for newbies. Ingame and on the forums. Big macho old guard. This community is about as opened to newcomers as doors of hospitality to G.W. Just the other day a guy posted here for the first time, admiting his fear of doing so. Everybody joked about it but thats a very clear indication of how this community is.
Then you have your established power&control freaks and your would be saviours (often depending on the POV). Your "gods" and your "rebels". Your annoying "snipers" and your cashcows. etc. etc. 1/4 of the community ignores eacother based on tags alone. What active folks you have are more ofthen than not people that should seek professional help about their obsessing with this game.



It really is that simple.

People have grown old here. They`ve grown saturated of eachother. They`ve gotten history. More often than not bad history. Things got personal. Not a game but an excercise in stubborness. In obsessivnes or in falling to apathy, anything short of "not winning" the unwinable. In "sticking it up to some".

I`ve said these before. We old feckers need to clear off. Few are here cos the game is still fun for them and most we do is just perpetuate old grudges few still know what they`re really aqbout and transfer them to new people via tags and "politics".

Best thing admin could do for this *game* is to suspend these forums indefinatly and/or ban all the older IDs lol. That`s, if you really want the game to be something it once was.

It hasn`t changed for the worse, you(we) have. We just have to admit it to ourselves.

RobinInDaHood wrote:The game is most definitely less interesting than a couple years ago. My own personal opinion is that it was caused by the players complaining to Jason and subsequent knee-jerk changes to game balance being made without being thought out carefully.

The origin for a lot of these problems was the exchange of $ for resources. Once that happened, people began seeing the game more as an investment and less as a source of entertainment. Those that investing money INTO the game didn't want to see their investment easily lost. Those who wanted to pull money OUT of the game wanted to see game pace pick up and demand for resources to grow.

Can it be salvaged? I don't know. I think recovery would require steps that aren't going to be popular; such as, removal of the ability to transfer turns, elimination of the ingame black market for turns, and prohibiting any currency trades. Doing these things would inject some badly needed strategy back into the game and slow the exponential growth problem. I don't know if that would be enough, but it would be a good start.

Skunky wrote:Look
FUA and TTF fighting it out ended after a few weeks, nw ur farming and warring with everyone else cos ur bored and dont wana admit defeat,
YOUR war is spoiling it for everyone !!! coz u can hit them and they cant hit u without being mased and part of the war, the serves a casulaty

if you say SGW is dying then you only have the server war to blame.