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Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:33 pm
by Wepwaet
I didn't make my real question clear Mathlord, my mistake, how old is an issue for it to be too old to be brought up?
And more importantly why should you be the one to decide that?
Simple questions that don't need examples about what he said or she said...
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:58 pm
by Mathlord
Wepwaet wrote:I didn't make my real question clear Mathlord, my mistake, how old is an issue for it to be too old to be brought up?
And more importantly why should you be the one to decide that?
Simple questions that don't need examples about what he said or she said...
So you ask my opinion of something then ask me if my opinion matters?
Sure people can change over time, but these facts add to the reasoning behind why events happen. Why do you think ETL posts lots of often old history on subjects? By now though, we all should know eachother's reasons for present conflicts. I only bring it up when people comment on things similarly, or try to claim our issues are unfounded. Now I mentioned ETL's posts were on even older events to give reasoning why commenting on events from 2007 was inkeeping with the discussion in this thread.
But who am I to judge since apparently it is unknown if I am even allowed to make these decisions. Hey I know, the real question you should ask if I should be the one to decide if I should be the one to decide if I'm allowed to bring up something in a debate. Now there's a question!
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:07 pm
by schuesseled
Ahh the COP and the Grand Alliance. Those were the days.
Much better than some of the nonsense nowadays.
12aggy.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:13 pm
by Wepwaet
See that is what people call an evasion... I'll give you another chance.
How old is an issue for it to be too old to be brought up?
And more importantly why should you be the one to decide that?
You've already shown you have an opinion on the subject with your comments about ETL's statements... surely you can put an actual number to your opinion. And defend your reasoning.
I'll start you out... I Mathlord think you shouldn't bring up a topic ___ years old. I think this is a fair number because ___________________________.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:27 pm
by Manetheren
Wepwaet wrote:I'll start you out... I Mathlord think you shouldn't bring up a topic ___ years old. I think this is a fair number because ___________________________.
See that is what people call condescending.. Ill give you another chance though.
This thread is funny..
SSG EnterTheLion wrote:Ok quite a few people have asked me what the deal is with Omega and EPA/EPAC so I've decided to post a little history between our two alliances.
How many is "quite a few"? 3? 7?
Does it matter? they are at war now so what difference does it make..
I think Greenman was right back on page 1.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:32 pm
by Mathlord
Wepwaet wrote:See that is what people call an evasion... I'll give you another chance.
How old is an issue for it to be too old to be brought up?
And more importantly why should you be the one to decide that?
You've already shown you have an opinion on the subject with your comments about ETL's statements... surely you can put an actual number to your opinion. And defend your reasoning.
I'll start you out... I Mathlord think you shouldn't bring up a topic ___ years old. I think this is a fair number because ___________________________.
No it's called actually answering the question instead of your attempt at over-simplifying it to appease your point of view. But hey, it's what you guys do
Oh and by the way, as someone who does not regret their actions in this game, I feel no problem with answering to anything I've done, be it last week or four years ago. It's only those with dark pasts who view the past as inconsequential.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:38 pm
by Wepwaet
Obviously it isn't too over-simplified considering you still haven't answered the question...
@ Manetheren
Im sure you'll agree the first time I asked the question it wasn't considered condescending... right?
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:03 pm
by Mathlord
Wepwaet wrote:Obviously it isn't too over-simplified considering you still haven't answered the question...
I don't think you get the concept of oversimplified. Besides, if you actually read my last post, you should get the idea that people's public record should be available for use, even if they would like to forget about it. Now it is up to the individual if they deem that noteworthy or important, but you are responsible for your actions whether they were 6 months ago or 4 years ago.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:45 pm
by Wepwaet
Im quite aware of the concept of something being oversimplified thank you very much. The point im trying to make is that your hazing your replies to give you wiggle room down the line. You won't say you think something that happened 3 years ago should be left in the past.
In your response right before my first comment you act as if the stature of limitations on the incident ETL brought up had passed. By doing so you implied that there is a set time in the past where anything before that point was not relevant. Do you deny this? Since my first post/question you reinforced this perception that you think there is a limitation.Mathlord wrote:It was more recent than half the things ETL was bringing up, and pretty much everything related to the TA. All of his claims against us come from Spring of 2005, shame none of those players are around to defend themselves. Now Oneill's particular issue was in the beginning of 2007.
Your next post was both childish and still didn't answer the question. You only tried to justify your previous post.Mathlord wrote:So you ask my opinion of something then ask me if my opinion matters?
Sure people can change over time, but these facts add to the reasoning behind why events happen. Why do you think ETL posts lots of often old history on subjects? By now though, we all should know eachother's reasons for present conflicts. I only bring it up when people comment on things similarly, or try to claim our issues are unfounded. Now I mentioned ETL's posts were on even older events to give reasoning why commenting on events from 2007 was inkeeping with the discussion in this thread.
But who am I to judge since apparently it is unknown if I am even allowed to make these decisions. Hey I know, the real question you should ask if I should be the one to decide if I should be the one to decide if I'm allowed to bring up something in a debate. Now there's a question!
Manetheren was right that my next post was condesending but since you insist on painting everyone with the same brush and insulting them I feel it was fitting. But you did start to reveal your view which is in conflict with your previous statements by the way.
So, was it fair of ETL to bring up what happened 4ish years ago or wasn't it? How far in the past does something need to be for us to leave it in the past?
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:01 pm
by SSG EnterTheLion
Mathlord, let's not let the facts get in the way of your propaganda. FACT, Jake and me decided to have some fun with Oneill, because we heard how he used to go on about it when we raided him. FACT I told Oneill it was a laugh, which of course he and you lot chose to ignore. FACT If I was serious, I would have ensured Oneill would have been destroyed and STAYED destroyed in ascension. FACT, I felt sorry for him and even declared peace with him shortly after that, even when I had no reason to.
As for what I brought to the table. Those guys, once discovered, never denied that they did what I said. To give you an idea of what they were like. They used to moan about JUAN loads, how he was a cheating ...etc etc. Well we all knew he was, but the fact that they then decided to fund his caspain account reeks of you know what.
And as for the fool who keeps claiming I tried to quit multiple times, I didn't. I was merely playing part time due to medical reasons. But of course, getting personal has become a characteristic of these forums.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:38 pm
by Mathlord
ETL: FACT, you sat on Oneill's account for a year prior to that extortion attempt, hardly jokeworthy material. So I ask you once again, if you were joking about the extortion attempt and he followed through with payment, would you have kept hitting him anyway or actually abided by your extortion? An interesting case now isn't it? Fortunately for you, we don't cave in to extortion.
Now Wepwaet. Let me try and talk this through for you...again. First off, I don't haze my replies, you make things too simple in creating a threshold, hence oversimplification. I mentioned the time of ETL's accusations as I presumed you were doing the usual complaint of "living in the past" even when not applicable, just covering ALL my bases as I now have to in these threads. For your second post where you clarified what you were after, I responded to your claims and explaining what I meant in my initial post. You call it childish when your questions were silly to begin with. You don't ask someone's opinion then ask them if their opinion is worth anything. That's just insulting. But that's okay, you'll just claim I'm childish again, or spewing propaganda about your posting style
Then when you refused to actually read and figure out what I was saying for yourself, I had to say it more plainly which you apparently got thank god.
So let's go through this quickly. It is okay to bring up whatever you want, your perogative. Of course it is an individual's discretion whether they consider it an important issue or not, but that's not really the question here. Is ETL allowed to bring up stuff from 4 years ago? Sure, just as I'm allowed to respond to ETL's claims in kind. What is a silly claim is to then say what I did is in the past and shouldn't be included while forgetting to do the same with ETL's posts from even further in the past. Got that?
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:47 pm
by Wepwaet
Mathlord wrote:Now Wepwaet. Let me try and talk this through for you...again. First off, I don't haze my replies, you make things too simple in creating a threshold, hence oversimplification. I mentioned the time of ETL's accusations as I presumed you were doing the usual complaint of "living in the past" even when not applicable, just covering ALL my bases as I now have to in these threads. For your second post where you clarified what you were after, I responded to your claims and explaining what I meant in my initial post. You call it childish when your questions were silly to begin with. You don't ask someone's opinion then ask them if their opinion is worth anything. That's just insulting. But that's okay, you'll just claim I'm childish again, or spewing propaganda about your posting style Then when you refused to actually read and figure out what I was saying for yourself, I had to say it more plainly which you apparently got thank god.So let's go through this quickly.
It is okay to bring up whatever you want, your perogative. Of course it is an individual's discretion whether they consider it an important issue or not, but that's not really the question here. Is ETL allowed to bring up stuff from 4 years ago?
Sure, just as I'm allowed to respond to ETL's claims in kind. What is a silly claim is to then say what I did is in the past and shouldn't be included while forgetting to do the same with ETL's posts from even further in the past. Got that?
This falls under my idea of hazing...This is you being insulting....And this is you actually answering my queston...You take pleasure in pointing out double standards and hypocrisy. Im trying to point out to you that your stance (what you've told me) doesn't fit with the tone you used in your earlier posts. You should realize that by taking something down to its absolute coherent part avoids preconcieved notions and propaganda. (you view my wanting a specific number out of you as oversimplification; I view it as defining the base for which to have a discussion) I don't particularly care about who brought up what about who or when.
Personally, my threshold is that if it happened before my time then its in the past. If john Q public joins alliance x I don't hold him responsable for things alliance x did before he got their, I would hold him responsable for things that happen after he got their though. I think if you took off your jaded glasses for a second you'd be able to see the question isn't about ETL said this or you said that but about having a respectful discussion on a topic with no right answer.
And for the record asking a person to give and then defend their reasoning isn't silly, its the basis of higher education...
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:45 am
by Orpheus
i think for except couple of posts that can fill up 1 page all the rest is actually SPAM and should be moderated or moved to the approriate topic or section.
any mods around with lots of free time ?
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:35 am
by SSG EnterTheLion
Math, can you not read or something? Or is the haze blinding you once again? You ask if I would have continued attacking himl. The fact that I declared peace with him at no gain to myself says it all. I was feeling sorry for him, we just wanted to wind him up before we let him off. So here's a piece of advice from me. Read EVERYTHING, pause to THINK, and then type!
And yes you are spamming my thread about the EPA. You TA guys seem to have a hard on for poking into threads begun by me that don't concern you.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:39 am
by Lithium
ETL u failed this time to trick EPA.
all yr game play which is the omegan too has been to make otehrs plays for u. you knew u couldn't had played longer like u did in yr first 2 yrs and to assure the long living of the OE empire u started the creation of coalitions. they would had assure the kind of playing of some guys by logging once/2days.
i dont know how ppl belives u after u ve esplicity confirmed that u ve manipulated several alliances to accomplish yr goals.
Yet Mayhem still dunt understand they are being used as hell. actually its only Mayhem that holds the shields on the Omegan Empire, they joined coz they felt the server war could affect them for bad and they end up holding OE.
i still have respect for some guys in mH even if we chit chat smt over forums coz i know they are not like OE even if they hold that tag.