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Re: Possible Pandemic, keep an eye on this.
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:49 am
by [KMA]Avenger
ah! gotcha...
i see no need to shoot you down

Re: Possible Pandemic, keep an eye on this.
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:52 am
by Legendary Apophis
In my country they don't ask us to take the vaccine, just to be careful and to call our doctor if we have any doubt or signs of being infected. Well, they didn't ask yet...
Re: Possible Pandemic, keep an eye on this.
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:53 pm
by Thriller
goddamn vaccines, getting rid of polio and small pox, and hepatitis, and malaria ....
whats with all the anti vaccine crap im reading.
THEY GIVE YOU SUPER POWERS!!!!
Re: Possible Pandemic, keep an eye on this.
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:30 pm
by [KMA]Avenger
those vaccines were all loaded and caused a bunch of deaths, just ask the people and the soldiers who were given the shots...
oh, that's right, you cant ask them, they're all dead!
Re: Possible Pandemic, keep an eye on this.
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:02 am
by [KMA]Avenger
Re: Possible Pandemic, keep an eye on this.
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:14 am
by Juliette
So they **Filtered** up on a small scale back in 76.. (500 people? *grin* Let me guess, already had different diseases before being vaccinated?)
You can hardly call the death of 25 to 500 people on 40 million vaccinated people a significant problem. Heck, more people from such a large group would get hit by cars or meteorites.
Re: Possible Pandemic, keep an eye on this.
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:34 am
by [KMA]Avenger
minimizing this mess doesn't make it right or justify it.
Re: Possible Pandemic, keep an eye on this.
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:47 am
by Juliette
[KMA]Avenger wrote:minimizing this mess doesn't make it right or justify it.
I minimise nothing. I put this thing in perspective, which seems to be lost on your authors.
It is basic calculus, if you will. 1 human life is worth less as 2 human lives.
As for a vaccine that doesn't work.. well.. you believe in Heaven and Hell, right? Let's put those who poison us, mind and body, in Hell, and the ones who suffered in Heaven. But before they go to Heaven, let's see if they did not cause the death of others. Did they produce more as they cost? No? Hell it is, then.
'Satan' will have a field day reaping the bountiful Harvest of the perversion we call morality.
Now where's that donkey?
Re: Possible Pandemic, keep an eye on this.
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:29 pm
by [KMA]Avenger
ok, lets put "that" calculus into "perspective" shall we...what if say 5 or 6 of those that died where members of your family...would you still brush it off so lightly?! i think not- not even if just 1 of those deaths was related to you
these vaccines dont work and that's a fact you can verify for yourself all day long...being the nice chap that i am, i'll help you
Gardacil (Cervical Cancer Vaccine) Deaths:
http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&source=h ... eaa343dff4as for heaven and hell, i'm agnostic remember?!

Re: Possible Pandemic, keep an eye on this.
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:06 pm
by Juliette
[KMA]Avenger wrote:ok, lets put "that" calculus into "perspective" shall we...what if say 5 or 6 of those that died where members of your family...would you still brush it off so lightly?! i think not- not even if just 1 of those deaths was related to you
Everyone dies. I have experienced it with people close to me before, and while
I might not respond entirely rational to that, that does not change the fact that their deaths would be insignificant. Now, if a great person were to die, the human race as a whole should mourn.. but the statistical relevance of one death, even if it is me myself, is insignificant. What can I say.. I'm a cold b!tch.

Now, it might be relevant if 5 or 6 of one family die, if only because it might suggest the vaccine interacts with certain hereditary genes. Then again, it might have been the hand of God, meant to inspire me or someone else to go into the study of improvement of genetics.. *grin*
So some vaccines don't work.
The fact that there are some black swans, doesn't prove that all swans are black..
[KMA]Avenger wrote:as for heaven and hell, i'm agnostic remember?!

Then from where does that zealous morality come?
You know.. as entertaining as this has been, I think it has been long enough. I will be going back to my Hochkultur for a while, so my activity here will drop. Do not see the lack of replies as disrespect to you or your cause.

Re: Possible Pandemic, keep an eye on this.
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:03 am
by [KMA]Avenger
[KMA]Avenger wrote:Universe wrote:as for heaven and hell, i'm agnostic remember?!

Then from where does that zealous morality come?
it comes from my love of humanity, it comes from the fact that those at the top (AKA-the Elite, AKA-the bankers, the monarchy's of Europe, the Vatican, CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg Group, Bohemian Grove, Club Of Rome, The Illuminati, The Masons, Skull and Bones, The UN, The EU, Corporations, etc etc etc) are trying to kill us because they have all the cash, money and wealth of the world, they have bankrupted our nations (that's fact!) and now they have all OUR money and want complete and utter power....you dont seem to understand that "they" have an utter disdain and hatred of humanity and class themselves as Gods who are entitled to this planet and all it contains because of "they're" delusions.
"they" are hoarding all the natural seeds of the world and "they" stay clear of they're toxic and tainted vaccines while we go happily to get shot up with mercury, cancers, aluminium, squalene, HIV and all sorts of other deadly concoctions and also eat "they're" Monsanto GMO crap!!!
that's all fact! its fact because "they" admit to it all, and yet people like me are called "theorists", personally, i dont understand how i can be a theorist when it comes out in congressional hearings that the Rothschild's have financed both sides in EVERY single war for the past 400 years, which they also have admitted to.
how can i be a theorist when anyone can go out and find out for themselves that the Rockefeller's have been financing eugenics for the past 200 years, that they financed woman's lib (the suffragettes) because they couldn't tax half the people of the world and wanted to break up the family home and indoctrinate children from an early age through the educational system...
people think they are educated and know history, they dont have a bloody clue!
(^no disrespect to anyone is intended, merely stating a sad fact)
Universe wrote:You know.. as entertaining as this has been, I think it has been long enough. I will be going back to my Hochkultur for a while, so my activity here will drop. Do not see the lack of replies as disrespect to you or your cause.

i'm genuinely sorry to hear that
my only "cause" is to get people to see for themselves (and yes, i know its a tired cliché) and wake the hell up to what's going on around us every day.
Re: Possible Pandemic, keep an eye on this.
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:03 am
by Legendary Apophis
Universe wrote:[KMA]Avenger wrote:ok, lets put "that" calculus into "perspective" shall we...what if say 5 or 6 of those that died where members of your family...would you still brush it off so lightly?! i think not- not even if just 1 of those deaths was related to you
Everyone dies. I have experienced it with people close to me before, and while
I might not respond entirely rational to that, that does not change the fact that their deaths would be insignificant. Now, if a great person were to die, the human race as a whole should mourn.. but the statistical relevance of one death, even if it is me myself, is insignificant. What can I say.. I'm a cold b!tch.

Now, it might be relevant if 5 or 6 of one family die, if only because it might suggest the vaccine interacts with certain hereditary genes. Then again, it might have been the hand of God, meant to inspire me or someone else to go into the study of improvement of genetics.. *grin*
Nobody or nothing asks you or me or anyone to have a so called "rational" view on this, nothing will reward us to have it, so no point at all to have it quite honestly. It's even the contrary. If you are to say that close people death are insignificant (statistically or not, it doesn't matter), it would give you a badder image than if you said the oppposite. It's like that.
As for people's death being insignificant, we cannot know. Some people died too early and could have achieved things otherwise. Some "great people" are a damn good riddance when they go six feet under. Some people also are unknown but did interesting stuff and it's discovered after their death. And finally, the fact that people live in "social circles" counterstrikes the "insignificant" death of people from said circle, even if they "don't matter". Out of circle people will probably not care much as they didn't know them.
Sure, for the society "important people's" death is worse, but since we are most likely nobodies towards this person, it's mostly his/her circle(s) who would be the most affected, also, we aren't society by ourselves individually, but globally. If only "important people" remained, then there would be nobody to appreciate (or loath) their work

. Finally, people who never cross the law, as a whole, participate in making this society better. Already one person changing "side" can be significant. Those nobodies going into killing sprees affected society on a bad way. The seeking of "being important" can turn people into goingon kill sprees just to have their names on newspapers.
Re: Possible Pandemic, keep an eye on this.
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:30 am
by [KMA]Avenger
Re: Possible Pandemic, keep an eye on this.
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:38 pm
by Thriller
[KMA]Avenger wrote:those vaccines were all loaded and caused a bunch of deaths, just ask the people and the soldiers who were given the shots...
oh, that's right, you cant ask them, they're all dead!
Let's ask the millions people who died from polio and small pox if they would have liked to have had a vaccine, oh wait.
if vaccines don't work, why don't people get those diseases anymore? Are we eating our veggies...
morality and subjective extensions like politics are easy to argue avenger but if you want to get down to science ill have to lay a smack down
Re: Possible Pandemic, keep an eye on this.
Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:48 pm
by agapooka
The greatest issue at stake isn't whether or not vaccines work, as I don't doubt that they have that potential. They do, however, also have the potential to be deadly.
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2 ... 60781.htmlCarelessness on that level is gross negligence. Then again, there's also the possibility that it was intentional. Either way, I can see why some people may find it hard to trust companies who've been charged with producing the H1N1 vaccine.
Agapooka