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Universe wrote:Oh, I like you Moses.. that was one interesting post. *grin*

re reading my own post makes me grin hehe

moses of romania wrote:]

Europe and north america took initiative years and years ago to make sure they would have this wealth and power and to be able to clothe and feed a large part of there population and be able to offer ppl jobs, instead of starting wars with eachother or constantly being in termoil maby some of these other contininents should have followed suite, now there all imagrateing over to these other countries and they are also starting to fill up, and crime and proverty is starting to rise all over the world, its just a mater of time were aids, disease and hunger start to spread faster and faster more and more fobs arive every day , i live in canada western and at most point in times now the White ppl are vastly out numbered by others, i am no rascist dont get me wrong my fiance is brown im just saying the fobs are takeing over every were , my fiance lives in a rural 5000 ppl town and wait ohh asian's are now moveing in in a year whent from 1 resturount to 5 asian resturaounts lol, Time to stop all imagrateing period let ppl stay were they are see how the world turns out more wars will start more ppl will starve , Let me ask you whitch countries send the most support to the other countries in need oh wait its the west and europe

Okay crime and poverty are droping here in Canada. Im not sure about anywhere else. And what is sent overseas are token gestures.

The whole of europe sent last year 48,6 billion euros in development aid. and the US sent 17.5 billion in $.

Now If you compare that to gdp's (gross domestic products). 13.84 trill US GDP last year means 0.12% of the us capital earned went to help others. Europe's GDP was 12,256.48 billion euros. They sent about 0.3% of gdp to help develop. (token gestures).

To address the rest of what you said. Your isolationist policies are dumb. What you said basically boiled down to "I want to keep the rats out of my country before they destroy it with their filth." I dont know when people are finally gonna understand that were all twirling around together on the little blue planet. The decisions we make effect everyone else around us. So we might want to try to get along.


You can ignore the problem if you want. You can even isolate yourself from it. But it not gonna go away and it is going to effect you. (You can close your eyes all you want but it not going to make the bad man go away.)

A man(or woman) should be judged by the quality of his(her) character and not by the colour of his(her) skin. The people immigrating here to Canada are just as likely to bring good ideas and hard work as they are to bring your national Apocalypse you were talking about. We might as well encourage the former and welcome them; as our ancestors did when new Europeans arrived.

Oh and a big part of European prosperity involved conquering and trading with the foreign nations. As well as financing wars between nations they didnt like. Read up on a little history before you go spouting of your " we did it, why cant they" crap.

TLDR version
You dont know anything about european history(or any history really) or finance, or disease. I'd be surprised if you can tie your shoes. What you said about "fobs" taking over is racist. Also i kinda feel like hitting you

Thriller wrote:(KMA is right for once)

more than just once mate



and BTW, i would stop replying to universes new best friend (moses of romania) if i were you. not many agree with universes opinions with regards to eugenics and humanity, unfortunately, he seems to agree with her and i guarantee you'll only end up fueling the fire.

Even if few parts of moses' last post are quite questionable (I didn't understand some parts of his post as well), I would like to point out that what he said in overall (the way he said it though wasn't done properly and is controversial, which probably explains your wish to slap him lol) isn't *that* wrong.
In EU, you would find many people who agree that immigration used to be very helpful, probably because people either went there to work and went back home when job done (north african people, didn't cause troubles back then, worked hard and all), or really tried to insert themselves (hmmm well it was mostly cross europeans in early to middle XXth century). But feel that now it's doing more harm than positive effects.

Now, many people get there to earn state helps and see EU as some people in center and south america see USA, the eldorado. They see EU as a way to make easy money. Not all are like this of course, but still, EU cannot contain all world's misery! It's a fact (later today when I have more time, I will find a source or more, hopefully I will remember to do that lol) in EU that highest crime rates come from poor classes and especially [former/actual] immigrant ones. Now all immigrants aren't criminals, but they still got highest crime rate. (well, people with origins from north africa, turkey, middle east etc...)
Pointing out asian people is quite wrong, they are known (or at least that's the case in my country) to be hard workers, and rarely look for bad attention by doing this or that. They aren't attention seekers doing riots and stuff like that (yes it's not limited to immigrants, and all immigrants aren't doing it, what I meant is chances to see them being in riots are smaller). They got something we could call discipline. That's why I feel mentionning asian people there is not objective view of facts regarding immigrants. Now I don't know their behaviour in North America, but I highly doubt they are a problem at all! (*awaits for "what about triads/yakusas" comment* ).
Now making generalities about immigrants isn't a good idea, but still it's not only far right that agrees that immigration has to be lowered. Otherwise, I'm sure much less people would agree with that, for example, I wouldn't, if it was just far right.

I suppose that's why Universe liked his post (also considering that Netherlands has even more, from what I read, issues with immigration related problems, than France does). I can't really say I liked his post, but the general idea I agree with. However, details, I don't, as you could read above.

I liked his post because it goes directly against the usual politically correct BS here.

Lol that's the point I found to be problematic in his post...
Political correctness is *not* BS, it's what civilized people with sufficient level of correctness and politeness use. (well, maybe that's not the political correctness usually thought of, that I refer to?) Using silk to cover your ideas (especially if they are controversial) and they will pass much better, and you will not look like a crazy person or a dislikeable one. Or at least, that's how I see things. And how I express my positions, usually, or at least, preferably.
Agressivity or anything similar excessiveness flags you as a "threat", no matter what are your ideas (and you get pointing fingers towards you). It's all about diplomacy speech to be sure to have your competitors lack to find arguments to use against you (even if those aren't valid).

I meant avoiding racism, racist words, hateful speech, too much viewable anger towards something/someone, swearing, excessive doubled with negative use of prejudices. But I don't mean talking idealist/utopian lies and hiding head in the sand, of course. That's also political correctness, but that one, is indeed BS. (such as only white people are the big bad racist people and that affirmative action is solution of all, those two things are full bs)

I refer to the political correctness of expressing yourself, not that much about one regarding ideas. Even though exterme ideas covered with silk will not get a positive opinion from me anyway...talking with gloves doesn't solve all, of course!

Universe wrote:I liked his post because it goes directly against the usual politically correct BS here.

eh? what politicly correct BS are you on about?

this part of the forum (compared to other boards and forums of similar nature) is anything but politicly correct!
if anything, your attitude towards humanity and your support of eugenics is what is "politicly correct", because the establishment supports the very same attitude you have towards life...


MAN! talk about double think!!!

I never ask for political correctness just reason.

Is that too much to ask for?

And what your talking about apophis is respect, pollitically correct has nothing to due with it.

apparently, wanting to live life as freely and as healthy as is possible is to much for Universe.

Having to suffer the ineptitude of my so-called 'peers' is too much to ask, yes.


Ah well.. I do not expect you to understand.

Universe wrote:Ah well.. I do not expect you to understand.

actually (and speaking ONLY for myself), i understand better than you do!

so, the world is to much for universe eh?! more like the Elites are to much for the world and they have also done an excellent job on you and people like you...Ah Well...I don't expect you to understand.

Universe wrote:Having to suffer the ineptitude of my so-called 'peers' is too much to ask, yes.


Ah well.. I do not expect you to understand.

the lady doth protest too much, methinks.

well i can understand how the immigration thing might touch a nerve considering whats happening in the Netherlands.

i am interested in knowing though, what your honest take on the subject is.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:

Universe wrote:Ah well.. I do not expect you to understand.

actually (and speaking ONLY for myself), i understand better than you do!

so, the world is to much for universe eh?! more like the Elites are to much for the world and they have also done an excellent job on you and people like you...Ah Well...I don't expect you to understand.

the old "I'm rubber your glue," eh?

if your going to argue childishly avenger... you wounder why i don't take the things you say more seriously

Thriller wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:

Universe wrote:Ah well.. I do not expect you to understand.

actually (and speaking ONLY for myself), i understand better than you do!

so, the world is to much for universe eh?! more like the Elites are to much for the world and they have also done an excellent job on you and people like you...Ah Well...I don't expect you to understand.

the old "I'm rubber your glue," eh?

if your going to argue childishly avenger... you wounder why i don't take the things you say more seriously

how is that "arguing childishly"?

what i said was accurate, take me seriously or not, believe what i say just enough so you go look for yourself or not, doesn't change the fact that the elites have said and done as much...and more!

look mate, i don't want to argue with you, i really don't, but you have to understand that i am NOT your enemy

Jack wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:[spoiler]there's a couple problems with the "over-population theory" that those who support the theory conveniently and continually overlook, disregard or choose to ignore (take your pick). the first being that current world food production is in excess of 13 billion, that means the combined food production from every single country on planet earth can feed 13+ billion people.
2ndly, while many parts of our cities are indeed over-populated, many parts of the rural areas are being wasted. i'm not talking about cutting down rain forests or wiping out ecosystems so we can build houses, there is more than enough room for all 6+ (actually, its closer to 7) billion people and many more as well, the sad fact is, Govt is not capable of resource management, that is self evident, and we as a species are just as guilty as out Govts.

in the mid to late 80's the city of London (inner London, the west end, the banking district known as The City") wished to expand but where can the centre of a city expand to if most of its buildings are protected and listed?! the answer was The Docklands, miles and miles and miles of land just sitting there abandoned, and it was there under their noses for so many years, its not exactly central but its not that far either.

the point being, with regards to food, we need to stop wasting and be more responsible. with land, i'm sure the answers are there if we care to look...

but i guess its easier to just say that there are to many people?!


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... eople.html




@moses of romania and Universe: if you 2 agree that we are doomed because of "to many people", then you 2 can be the first and show the rest of us what we can do about it

and if its to noisy and you don't have the courage for option 1, then there is the more sensible option and move just as i did to a nice rural and quiet area.[/spoiler]

Something people seem to not understand is that cities will always be densely populated. We are herd animals, and the cities are our herds. People live in the cities because they want to be close to other people, this is normal and will not change regardless of how much land is available. And when cities grow, they tend to grow upward before they grow outward, as most people tend to want to live as close to the city center as possible. This has nothing to do with lack of land and everything to do with convenience. Sure places are overcrowded, but again, that is mostly the fault of the people living there, refusing to move to the suburbs.

which was the subtle point i was trying to make to Jim but he didn't seem to understand.

Thriller wrote:

moses of romania wrote:]

Europe and north america took initiative years and years ago to make sure they would have this wealth and power and to be able to clothe and feed a large part of there population and be able to offer ppl jobs, instead of starting wars with eachother or constantly being in termoil maby some of these other contininents should have followed suite, now there all imagrateing over to these other countries and they are also starting to fill up, and crime and proverty is starting to rise all over the world, its just a mater of time were aids, disease and hunger start to spread faster and faster more and more fobs arive every day , i live in canada western and at most point in times now the White ppl are vastly out numbered by others, i am no rascist dont get me wrong my fiance is brown im just saying the fobs are takeing over every were , my fiance lives in a rural 5000 ppl town and wait ohh asian's are now moveing in in a year whent from 1 resturount to 5 asian resturaounts lol, Time to stop all imagrateing period let ppl stay were they are see how the world turns out more wars will start more ppl will starve , Let me ask you whitch countries send the most support to the other countries in need oh wait its the west and europe

Okay crime and poverty are droping here in Canada. Im not sure about anywhere else. And what is sent overseas are token gestures.

The whole of europe sent last year 48,6 billion euros in development aid. and the US sent 17.5 billion in $.

Now If you compare that to gdp's (gross domestic products). 13.84 trill US GDP last year means 0.12% of the us capital earned went to help others. Europe's GDP was 12,256.48 billion euros. They sent about 0.3% of gdp to help develop. (token gestures).

To address the rest of what you said. Your isolationist policies are dumb. What you said basically boiled down to "I want to keep the rats out of my country before they destroy it with their filth." I dont know when people are finally gonna understand that were all twirling around together on the little blue planet. The decisions we make effect everyone else around us. So we might want to try to get along.


You can ignore the problem if you want. You can even isolate yourself from it. But it not gonna go away and it is going to effect you. (You can close your eyes all you want but it not going to make the bad man go away.)

A man(or woman) should be judged by the quality of his(her) character and not by the colour of his(her) skin. The people immigrating here to Canada are just as likely to bring good ideas and hard work as they are to bring your national Apocalypse you were talking about. We might as well encourage the former and welcome them; as our ancestors did when new Europeans arrived.

Oh and a big part of European prosperity involved conquering and trading with the foreign nations. As well as financing wars between nations they didnt like. Read up on a little history before you go spouting of your " we did it, why cant they" crap.

TLDR version
You dont know anything about european history(or any history really) or finance, or disease. I'd be surprised if you can tie your shoes. What you said about "fobs" taking over is racist. Also i kinda feel like hitting you

LOL man you have no idea how i grew up ask me the percent of my friends that were born in canada oh wait that would be one out of every 10 , my fiance is of color duh, my best friends are from africa, serbia, and india there first language is not english. and are you ready for this they hate there own color want to know why they say they have no respect for the country they have imagrated to and they make them look bad , omg there own ppl hate them who would have thought. Sure imagrateing is needed but when someon who doesnt know english has never driven a car , and has never seen fricken snow is given a drivers liscence on her first week in canada then gets into an accident with 7 other cars possibly kills a few ppl couse the roads were slippery and get away with it becouse shes new to the country thats were i draw the line, wait she got her liscence from her cousin who runs the registry officer wow who would have thought. You have more rights and get more funding if your an imagrant then if you were born here or lived here you whole life. Good ppl lose there jobs becouse ppl that get goverment funding live in low income houseing and pay **Filtered** all for taxes are willing to work for less do you Deam this fair and correct. And what is being PC i dont think it acounts for anything now a day's every one has there own oppion about everything and no matter what or were you go not every one will agree or get allong. There comes apoint were letting more and more ppl into the country just couses more problems for every one. Have you seen what happens when an african who cant speak english runs into a brown persons car who cant speak english alot happens and none of it is good. I grew up in a ruff neighbourhood were ever day i would have to look over my shoulder becouse a grewp of 10 black guys didnt like me becouse of my friends and there friends and there friends friends. I am not Rascist i also dont like alot of ppl of color or different race oh wait i also dont like cocky arogant white ppl that think they rule the world and are better then every one else aka Thriller. Thriller how manny times have you been chased by a pack of ppl becouse you didnt want to see one litte guy get jumped or beat up, or spoke out your opinion and they didnt like what you said becouse some how a single word not anything rascist even something like He didnt do it can couse them to jump and be like ohh that means you did it. AGAIN IMA PUT THIS IN CAPITALS ALL THE PPL THAT I GREW UP WITH HATE ALL OF THE NEW IMAGRINTS AND PPL OF THERE OWN RELIGION AND RACE BECOUSE THEY SHOW NO RESPECT TAKE TAKE TAKE AND MAKE THEM LOOOOK BAD. so please come try and slap me see what happens

I have history books and the internet my fiances passion is anctient history more say eastern europe and egypt. so for you to say i dont know anything about the past is a little obsurde my family came to canada dureing world war 2 becouse they were romanian gypsies and lived in germany , know how manny of my moms side of the family made it out alive my grand father and his mom the train blew up as they were getting out last ppl to leave, so dont say i dont know anything about what has happened in the past