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Re: Remove MS Techs Yes/No
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:29 pm
by Lithium
~Destruction1~ wrote:Sarevok wrote:Its ok. We understand that you, and anyone else that focuses on their MS at all, enjoy the free 355T upgrade (25T for tech, with a bonus, if you have 200k weapons and shields, and 150k fleets, of 380T)
It's an update, that solely benefits the larger players the most. For example, a new player has a MS built with 30k in everything, and get's tech 10, for 30% more, giving them 39k. Someone who started focusing on building the MS, when they stopped being reset, has lets say 250k slots. They purchase tech level 1, and get almost the SAME bonus as the little guy, whom bought tech 10. The larger buys say up to tech 5, cause they are ascending, and their MS gets the SAME bonus, as the entire capacity of the new player.
All the big accounts in the game were once little accounts, people have had to work hard to build up their accounts over a long time, adapting to changes implemented over that time. I am all for giving new players a helping hand, but why give them a free ride? If someone wants to grow let them work for it.
D1
D1 removing techs will reduce the power of 30% it ll not remove reset ya MS, the hard work is still UP. but the game shall be based on units not on bonuses.
Re: Remove MS Techs Yes/No
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:58 pm
by Legendary Apophis
~Destruction1~ wrote:Sarevok wrote:Its ok. We understand that you, and anyone else that focuses on their MS at all, enjoy the free 355T upgrade (25T for tech, with a bonus, if you have 200k weapons and shields, and 150k fleets, of 380T)
It's an update, that solely benefits the larger players the most. For example, a new player has a MS built with 30k in everything, and get's tech 10, for 30% more, giving them 39k. Someone who started focusing on building the MS, when they stopped being reset, has lets say 250k slots. They purchase tech level 1, and get almost the SAME bonus as the little guy, whom bought tech 10. The larger buys say up to tech 5, cause they are ascending, and their MS gets the SAME bonus, as the entire capacity of the new player.
All the big accounts in the game were once little accounts, people have had to work hard to build up their accounts over a long time, adapting to changes implemented over that time. I am all for giving new players a helping hand, but why give them a free ride? If someone wants to grow let them work for it.
D1
The raw will remain, just the bonus given throughout the life of the game, would be removed. Everyone would lose same % in their MS, so not like it's unfair isn't it?
Just making sure there's no free outrageous bonuses.
Re: Remove MS Techs Yes/No
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:04 pm
by Scar Face
Maybe implent some sort of cap, like that on ascended for growth. Ex till 50k slots u have 30% tech, when u raise ur raws to lets say 60k it falls to 27%or smth? Cap?
Re: Remove MS Techs Yes/No
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:16 pm
by renegadze
Lore wrote: Coupled with the poor decision of no longer resetting them at ascension, .
This should never have been changed. There was once a choice to make.....Ascend or keep building the MS....as soon as this change was made, all the people that chose to ascend without spending all their naq on MS were screwed over.
It just allowed for the $$ spenders to pay for the ascension requirements everytime and catch up.
Re: Remove MS Techs Yes/No
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:18 pm
by Lore
Make it per ascention?
10 levels of tech through LG+1, then every ascention after you lose 1 tech level until they are all gone?
@ rene...... Yeah I know, never did understand his reasoning for doing it to begin with. I'm not sure he ever even attempted an explination.
Re: Remove MS Techs Yes/No
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:49 pm
by Lithium
admin always wanted to find way to make ppl spend more resources, somehow he failed by creating monsters of acocunts
Re: Remove MS Techs Yes/No
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:39 pm
by Sarevok
~Destruction1~ wrote:Sarevok wrote:Its ok. We understand that you, and anyone else that focuses on their MS at all, enjoy the free 355T upgrade (25T for tech, with a bonus, if you have 200k weapons and shields, and 150k fleets, of 380T)
It's an update, that solely benefits the larger players the most. For example, a new player has a MS built with 30k in everything, and get's tech 10, for 30% more, giving them 39k. Someone who started focusing on building the MS, when they stopped being reset, has lets say 250k slots. They purchase tech level 1, and get almost the SAME bonus as the little guy, whom bought tech 10. The larger buys say up to tech 5, cause they are ascending, and their MS gets the SAME bonus, as the entire capacity of the new player.
All the big accounts in the game were once little accounts, people have had to work hard to build up their accounts over a long time, adapting to changes implemented over that time. I am all for giving new players a helping hand, but why give them a free ride? If someone wants to grow let them work for it.
D1
Yeah, what other were saying is true mate. I didn't mean reset all the MS in the game. That would be so unfair, it's not funny. What i meant was, take away the tech, somewhere, since some accounts are recieving a bonus equal to that of other accounts MS enirety
Lore wrote:Make it per ascention?
10 levels of tech through LG+1, then every ascention after you lose 1 tech level until they are all gone?
Or, loose a level every 2 ascensions. Such that if you plan to get to 23, then you'll have to accept the fact you won't be getting a 30% bonus to MS, but instead, the what, +49% bonus to realm stats, and 59% bonus for getting a blessing as well.
Re: Remove MS Techs Yes/No
Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:36 am
by Lore
Sarevok wrote:Lore wrote:Make it per ascention?
10 levels of tech through LG+1, then every ascention after you lose 1 tech level until they are all gone?
Or, loose a level every 2 ascensions. Such that if you plan to get to 23, then you'll have to accept the fact you won't be getting a 30% bonus to MS, but instead, the what, +49% bonus to realm stats, and 59% bonus for getting a blessing as well.
Either way, I just figured the first ones would need all the help they could get, but both ideas are sound.
Re: Remove MS Techs Yes/No
Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:33 am
by Sarevok
Or, loose a level every 2 ascensions After the first 6. Such that if you plan to get to 23, then you'll have to accept the fact you won't be getting a 30% bonus to MS, but instead, the what, +49% bonus to realm stats, and 59% bonus for getting a blessing as well.
Sorry, that's what it was meant to say. Allow the newer players to get the benefits, and those whom do not wish to ascend beyond LG+1. But those that do, will have to accept that it's gone for them
Re: Remove MS Techs Yes/No
Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:44 pm
by Tekki
The game isn't based on units anymore though. UP is a useful stat but not essential.
Re: Remove MS Techs Yes/No
Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:47 pm
by Sarevok
Tekki wrote:The game isn't based on units anymore though. UP is a useful stat but not essential.
Neither is personal income for that fact.
Re: Remove MS Techs Yes/No
Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:16 pm
by Richard B Riddick
personal income is useful for bank cap, but not for naq, i hardly make any naq from income because i usually have crit on (haven't really used nox till recently)
back to the mothership, how about instead of completely abolishing the techs they just decrease them to like 10% instead of 30%, cause although i do like the techs, i have to agree that 30% is a bit much for a boost
Re: Remove MS Techs Yes/No
Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:10 pm
by Sarevok
Would make it more realistic.
I mean, platforms can be taken down with 10% of their power. With the tech, you only need 7-8%, since you get the rest for a small fee
Re: Remove MS Techs Yes/No
Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:10 am
by Lithium
just remove them and in case of helping starters then let tech's until Lg+1 or extend non ascended bonuses to lg1
Re: Remove MS Techs Yes/No
Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:35 am
by bebita
NO
and i doubt admin will remove something
still will be nice to move army cap more
what people will do then
3 bil miners and 1 mil uu supers in defence and will expect to be untouchble?