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Sun God Ra wrote:

Sarajevo wrote:

Legendary Apophis wrote:As ChaosTheory said, it should limitate ME hunting and the likes...unless it's a glitch of course.

Which is a bad thing, in a game that revolves around farming (YA, YOU CAN USE AT'S FOR THAT TOO) and also massing... a vastly less amount of ATs will kill it.

Woah.. you mean using your at's wisely could come into play?! O M G

Legendary Apophis wrote:

Sarajevo wrote:

Legendary Apophis wrote:As ChaosTheory said, it should limitate ME hunting and the likes...unless it's a glitch of course.

Which is a bad thing, in a game that revolves around farming (YA, YOU CAN USE AT'S FOR THAT TOO) and also massing... a vastly less amount of ATs will kill it.

Legendary Apophis wrote:Any old school player will remember the days when people like High Empty were raiding and stocked up to 150K ATs on their account (there was no limit like now for your account) and ingame market had about...Zero attack turns available.

That was in 2007 or 2006..

Not to mention, when game started, there was 1AT/turn, and turns were very hard to obtain, and game grew up in this era, not during the abundant ATs days...game sorta dropped during the latter.

Okay, this isn't 2006 or 2007, stop living in the past. Over a long period of time, 4 to 3 years, the game developed to use a larger amount of Attack Turns as opposed to then. All the sudden a large amount wasn't thrown in to the game as are being taken out now.

Sun God Ra wrote:

Sarajevo wrote:

Legendary Apophis wrote:As ChaosTheory said, it should limitate ME hunting and the likes...unless it's a glitch of course.

Which is a bad thing, in a game that revolves around farming (YA, YOU CAN USE AT'S FOR THAT TOO) and also massing... a vastly less amount of ATs will kill it.

Woah.. you mean using your at's wisely could come into play?! O M G

As opposed to how are they're being used now? Which is what exactly?

We like this!

its a needed change...

it might actually bring the element of strategy back into the game...

it will be a few days to a week or two, then the market will have adapted and balanced out... remember, its a supply-and-demand system... when the people only buy ATs and sell everything else, the market prices will change... it would appear to us like jason disabled the artificial pricing, and now you will have to adapt...


being able to be online 24/7 to mass or repair or raid, is not strategy... it is not skill...
being safe from attacks due to threats is not skill
having zero defense is not skill

picking best targets based on what they have, rather than on your mood and near-unlimited resources, is skill...

using market to ones advantage, like legendary apophis mentioned above, is skillful...

crying about market altering to fit supply-and-demand because you dont want to adapt, is not skill...

etc...

Chaostheory wrote:I agree it would cut on a lot of the excess... ME hunting and non related massing. People would be more conscious of making sure each hit was maximized... but aside from that all I don't want to live in world without AT's.... i know its just a silly game but i'm gettin blown up w/ PM's like stock market just crashed or something that really mattered

To be honest, if you wanna reduce the ME hunters, all you gotta do is reverse the values for killed defense soldiers and attack soldiers. That way you get rewarded for building a defense. Then what's the ME hunter to do? Nothing but lose ground to everyone he masses... unless he masses everyone once, just to gain ME rank.

The game has already seen a lot less activity and lost 100's of players. All admin is doing is signing his own server's deathwish. I don't care what all the "old school" players believe, fewer ATs means less activity from an already dwindling community.

Hats off to the admin. I think you've gotten too many heads shoved up your ass. I truly hope this reduces the game to only a handful of $ spenders.

MaxSterling wrote:

Chaostheory wrote:I agree it would cut on a lot of the excess... ME hunting and non related massing. People would be more conscious of making sure each hit was maximized... but aside from that all I don't want to live in world without AT's.... i know its just a silly game but i'm gettin blown up w/ PM's like stock market just crashed or something that really mattered

To be honest, if you wanna reduce the ME hunters, all you gotta do is reverse the values for killed defense soldiers and attack soldiers. That way you get rewarded for building a defense. Then what's the ME hunter to do? Nothing but lose ground to everyone he masses... unless he masses everyone once, just to gain ME rank.

The game has already seen a lot less activity and lost 100's of players. All admin is doing is signing his own server's deathwish. I don't care what all the "old school" players believe, fewer ATs means less activity from an already dwindling community.

Hats off to the admin. I think you've gotten too many heads shoved up your ass. I truly hope this reduces the game to only a handful of $ spenders.

even tho i dont wish it so, i believe he is correct.

Zeratul wrote:We like this!

its a needed change...

it might actually bring the element of strategy back into the game...

it will be a few days to a week or two, then the market will have adapted and balanced out... remember, its a supply-and-demand system... when the people only buy ATs and sell everything else, the market prices will change... it would appear to us like jason disabled the artificial pricing, and now you will have to adapt...


being able to be online 24/7 to mass or repair or raid, is not strategy... it is not skill...
being safe from attacks due to threats is not skill
having zero defense is not skill

picking best targets based on what they have, rather than on your mood and near-unlimited resources, is skill...

using market to ones advantage, like legendary apophis mentioned above, is skillful...

crying about market altering to fit supply-and-demand because you dont want to adapt, is not skill...

etc...

Good defending for the less ATs side. Convincing I'd say.

It's all about "careful choice vs abundance" thread here.

Having less Attack Turns will NOT cause people to use some sort of "Strategy" it will only mean they will do less of what they do now. Instead of massing 3 people they will mass 1. Nothing has changed...

Forcibly changing a Market environment does not usually turn out well at the start and almost never has the desired affect. I will wait until Jason says what exactly his intentions were in doing this if it was intentional, but what he wants to happen will not happen in my opinion.

Of course as Zeratul said after a month or two people will get things down, but we will be right where we were, as I said, on a smaller scale. Nothing will have changed, it will have been a pointless maneuver and only have wasted many peoples time playing.

Also I agree with MaxSterling... changing the established way of things that people like will only cause them to not like the game and not want to give it the time needed to change... aka dead game

Sarajevo wrote:Having less Attack Turns will NOT cause people to use some sort of "Strategy" it will only mean they will do less of what they do now. Instead of massing 3 people they will mass 1. Nothing has changed...

Forcibly changing a Market environment does not usually turn out well at the start and almost never has the desired affect. I will wait until Jason says what exactly his intentions were in doing this if it was intentional, but what he wants to happen will not happen in my opinion.

Of course as Zeratul said after a month or two people will get things down, but we will be right where we were, as I said, on a smaller scale. Nothing will have changed, it will have been a pointless maneuver and only have wasted many peoples time playing.

Also I agree with MaxSterling... changing the established way of things that people like will only cause them to not like the game and not want to give it the time needed to change... aka dead game

lol. remember the HUMMER. he wants one too.

@Lucifer: Yes, I know

Zeratul wrote:We like this!

its a needed change...

it might actually bring the element of strategy back into the game...

it will be a few days to a week or two, then the market will have adapted and balanced out... remember, its a supply-and-demand system... when the people only buy ATs and sell everything else, the market prices will change... it would appear to us like jason disabled the artificial pricing, and now you will have to adapt...


being able to be online 24/7 to mass or repair or raid, is not strategy... it is not skill...
being safe from attacks due to threats is not skill
having zero defense is not skill

picking best targets based on what they have, rather than on your mood and near-unlimited resources, is skill...

using market to ones advantage, like legendary apophis mentioned above, is skillful...

crying about market altering to fit supply-and-demand because you dont want to adapt, is not skill...

etc...

You are wrong if you think that admin did this for the good of the game. He never does that. He listens to those who pay him $ and to the whiners.

I remember when he flooded the market with turns... before that, i worked my ass off to ascend to build a strong ascended account and to get on big account in main. When i was almost there on top, he flooded the market with turns and all of a sudden apeared hundreds of noob LG accounts with same size as me and with crap ascended accounts.

After that "some" started whining about the ascended server and he came up with the updates that killed that server.

Then when the players stopped ascending and have invested lots of time and resources into building UP and covert levels, he introduced other levels of ascention over AG, which screwed up the game for some again.


Admin never did updates for the players, he only manipulated us for his pockets. Strategy my donkey!

It takes less than 600 turns to mass someone. That’s why I can be done when they are on nox and critical.

BUT I can take up to 2-3000 turns to properly kill someone’s spies and stuff if they are not phased.

It seems to me that this update is to protect the defenders UU or to protect UU in general and let’s face it, with the mass selling of UU for 0.6c per million, or for 500b per million, UU aren’t in short supply ingame!

I don't think my gameplay will be changed at all...given I only used 3rd MT for ATs as other two always went for PPT. For buying ATs I either used natural generating, 2k+ ATs provided from ascending and finally bought twice ATs for $$ when it was needed (when I would have had to buy ATs for uu or naq).
I bought very rarely for naq those ATs...because I never sell uu.
So it's indeed possible to manage.

Probably Wrong Section...

Use ALL market turns (3 quantities) in exchange for 320 non-transferrable turns...

Since when did it go down this much?
And you can only receive 12 turns from market per 1 quantity :/

Might seem real nooby.
Probably an easy answer.
Just wondering

Rofl Opps.
Should have looked thanks SS

Zeratul wrote:We like this!

its a needed change...

it might actually bring the element of strategy back into the game...

it will be a few days to a week or two, then the market will have adapted and balanced out... remember, its a supply-and-demand system... when the people only buy ATs and sell everything else, the market prices will change... it would appear to us like jason disabled the artificial pricing, and now you will have to adapt...


being able to be online 24/7 to mass or repair or raid, is not strategy... it is not skill...
being safe from attacks due to threats is not skill
having zero defense is not skill

picking best targets based on what they have, rather than on your mood and near-unlimited resources, is skill...

using market to ones advantage, like legendary apophis mentioned above, is skillful...

crying about market altering to fit supply-and-demand because you dont want to adapt, is not skill...

etc...

Have you seriously even thought this through before making such a suggestion?

Who does this affect? The old school players that use the market to get their ATs. It mildly effects those that spend $
because those that already spend $ to buy ATs will still spend $. All it does is give them a bigger advantage because those
that use the in-game market to get ATs will now find it even more difficult to mount an attack.

The think tank that came up with this should play Polish Roulette... one empty chamber in the pistol and the rest full of
bullets. But because they're Polish, they'll only find a gun with a clip and take one bullet out of the clip... thinking it will
have the same effect.