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Zod14c wrote:

Legendary Jimster wrote:1h and a half I think.

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not that many people will take the time to read it (im almost certain)..

Zod14c wrote:

Legendary Jimster wrote:1h and a half I think.

+1 Rep for commitment

not that many people will take the time to read it (im almost certain)..

Legendary Jimster wrote:

Zod14c wrote:

Legendary Jimster wrote:1h and a half I think.

+1 Rep for commitment

not that many people will take the time to read it (im almost certain)..

I'm sure that whoever has to read it, will read it.

knight37 wrote:

Legendary Jimster wrote:

Zod14c wrote:

Legendary Jimster wrote:1h and a half I think.

+1 Rep for commitment

not that many people will take the time to read it (im almost certain)..

I'm sure that whoever has to read it, will read it.

Got Cliff Notes?

Legendary Jimster wrote:Oh my god...now this lot of rubbish post about the "truth" deserves a full point-by-point lenght answer..(1500+ words)

Jimster wrote:

I don't remember actually backstabbing any former members who left on good terms until they started attacking members who had actually done nothing wrong.

Jo left during the mayhem war. She changed accounts without informing thomas or myself or dan. When her account suddenly dissapeared without the information Thomas disabled her forum account on nemesis for fear of any lass minute actions (giving all our info out? Better safe than sorry and so Tom took a natural, logic precaution).

Didn’t you forget to mention her account was blocked on Nemesis forums prior to that? I asked several members, a global mod included, asked to check her forum profile and all, and it indeed looked like a disabled account. And that was prior to the issue we are currently talking about. She also apparently was left away on msn for a week despite being online during those holidays. Now, this part regarding msn I cannot really know (so much for me being a liar to admit where I cannot know eh? ). But still that I was online with her on msn during the trade…I saw live the trade of account which happened quite fastly, even from my online perspective. In a matter of an hour, it was sold, due to the quick and interesting offer of buyer. Of course she surrendered the account, because it was handed to someone else!

She had to make a new account to send uu to, as she didn’t have an account (she sold it), and this was a new un-ascended account…quite not the thing you want to keep. I can confirm it took her some time to find a proper LG account to replace her sold AGoL account. Now, it’s not like I was told afterwards about all of this, I was on msn with her during the whole thing! And as you know, wasn’t around in game and barely in forums, so I couldn’t check ingame part as I was on vacation, but I checked forums part. But well, it’s all a lie: I am a big bad liar. Boo! *Homer no beer/no tv face*

Jimster wrote:

No information was given and Jo informed us she had a new account. When she did so.. she was naturally invited back. She didn't return and surrendered to mayhem.. ergo I, and no one else, branded her a war runner and my members are loyal so they followed my lead. She had the opportunity to return but turned her back on the people she was supposedly loyal too.

It’s probably because I followed this issue and she asked me whether I thought she shall come back. I told her it’s up to her, but I’d have been angry myself if it happened. Misunderstanding yes, but still…Or was it because she didn’t like the way this happened. I don’t remember well, but it’s not about running. Did she go to any enemy alliance/related alliance afterwards? I don’t think so. Lone wolf alliance, it was. But I'm sure she could enlight you as to why she didn't come back if she bothers.

Now of course they followed, didn’t ask question to know how it happened, and of course I didn’t know anything despite being here the whole time (as you say she apparently didn’t speak to you when it happened, but was to speaking me…) oh that’s funny how people can follow the leader despite he admits himself he didn’t know “live” when the thing happened while I did, but instead, we got the colorful hilarious following paragraph to illustrate that despite being the main witness, I’m worse than Lucifer himself when it tends to tell the truth. But oh well, I’m sure Jo could prove you right that I am indeed a first class liar? Come on, you’re just sounding wrong you cannot guess how much haha! Those who aren’t present know more than those who were on the “crime scene”, that’s a first, Sherlock!

Jimster wrote:

That's the story. Now you understand my perspective.. despite how much her loyal dog (though we can't deny she's done pretty much everything short of actually killing him to get rid of him) Jim will defend her to the end by saying I have the story wrong. I don't care what Jim says..any moron who's spoken to Pops about Jo knows if Jo killed his entire family and he caught her he'd still find some way to see it in his eyes that she didn't do it. Pops is fundementally bias and unrealiable in any argument where Jo is concerned.

Loyal dog, oh am I meant to feel touched and be sad? Nah I’m sorry, I’m not the martyr you want me to be. The poor Jesus, who had to walk with the cross on his back, for years. That’s almost touching. Yes. Now would I have been the “easy way” picker, things would be different. I would have been hailed (wouldn’t have, but oh well), perhaps, but I would nonetheless be another brainless sheep following the wagon. “Hate hate hate, flame flame flame”, now I would have been pretty as another useless anonymous hater of the Jo. Another one who whines about the nastiness and tries to cover the fact he got owned like a little insect. “Get over it” regarding forum issues and stuff of that sort (not to remain blocked in stance regarding someone, as a revenge stance to hate eternally or whatever) on the one hand I hear from people like you, and on the other hand, we got this wonderful martyr being whipped for years who should act like another anonymous flamer, contradiction at its best. That would be a great dig at my intelligence, you know. When I see the remaining people who post hateful threads about her, it would indeed be a dig at me to consider I shall have taken the same path. I would maybe not be “Auriel’s muppet” then, but I would be one of these hating trolls, who are nothing but a disturbance in the forums.

Then, following to this highly emotional non receivable argument, a hilariously overreacting metaphor follows. Now, would I were silly enough to be like this? Nope. It’s just a despair attempt to try to make me appear as the local idiot, who is blind and only speaks lies as he breathes. Why would I even need to lie on this one? Were you actually trying to be funny when you wrote it? That made me laugh…I didn’t take it seriously, which is likely to be the result for any rational person. See, when you try to make too extreme metaphors, people will have a laugh and will not take it seriously.

See, the evil Jo as she is according to you, who apparently despise me more than anything on this planet and galaxy combined, wouldn’t say something of that sort to me unless I would have really been bad to her or that she was angry for something I would have said to her (like many people would then). So, from the look of it, to say something as idiotic as this, do you have a beef with me? I would even hope so, that would give you a “reason” to say such utterly silly metaphor. Yes it was funny, but when the fun factor is over, it’s not funny at all.

Haha we get back on another interesting thing. Supposedly according to your post, all the realistic and rational people followed you without asking, because it was THE TRUTH, and infront of that, a ill mentally thinking creature; we cannot know, whether it was a human or a “dog”, is alone with no proves at all (see first paragraph, d’oh) to back his stance. Oh I have something to tell you! I’m not the only one who takes this stance! Now, would you accuse the others, who happen to be current/former Nemesis members, to be all the filth I am as well? Oh touché!

On the other hand you are yet to confirm why exactly you're taking an aggressive stance against Castiel when Castiel actually made a statement of truth and Jo unnecessarily made some fairly harsh comments. So.. I ask.. you tell me who's right Ben? You always believed in fairness.

Oh yes she made harsh comment. Guess why? Oh that must be because one of the “loyal followers” threw the learnt by heart story about her that she was a runner. And maybe, I say MAYBE, this isn’t actually the TRUTH some people seem to think, and that might have not actually pleased her to be accused wrongly? Oh, but well, of course nobody would react this way when accused wrongly. Be slapped and ask for more, isn’t it? But now, would you accuse Benjamin to be like me, in example: one who would see her kill his all family and say nothing (ohmygod that was epic-ly rubbish) and be totally bias towards her? Oh, a hole in the speech. Now, that’s not really cool, is it?

When one throws wrong accusations and then it’s like “omg it derailed, the person did post harsh comments”, I find it either funny, or facepalm worthy. Don’t act like she started her speech out of nowhere, conveniently forgetting to omit the accusation towards her. “Says the runner”. It was obviously not meant as her being sportive woman in real life, but as her having ran away from the alliance. It was not running away, it was a misunderstanding. Now, it’s not me, the so called ultimate idiotic liar who says so. As I said, those people aren’t me, and they defend her. Now, there’s indeed a hole in the argument, how could rational people think that the stance I hold, who are former/current NE people, think this way if your stance was the undeniable truth?

She made harsh statement and he told the truth. How biased can it be? Oh no!!!!! Would it be possible I’m not the only biased entity on this planet? Damn, who could have thought so? :O So listening by your logic, she shall have said nothing, or asked for more comments “pathetic filth” and “the runner” weren’t sufficient, she deserved more, right? It’s like the pathetic stance taken in some western countries, where apologizing once or twice officially isn’t sufficient for past history mistakes, where one has to be “spit on the face” thousands times before they are worthy to receive half of a forgiving. And of course, guilty ones aren’t allowed to react as what the others say is “statement of truth” while the defending is “fairly harsh comments”. Jo is not an idiot. She will not act this way like the “bending over leftists” (political reference inserted because that reminds me of this). She was sorry to have done this mistake when it was time to be sorry, but she knows well that standing eternally on this acting like the eternally guilty entity isn’t the path to take.