Hitchkok wrote:Why IS it done, than?
If it's out of love, than why not marry?
What natural feelings?
Love? again, marriage (or, as the church would say holy matrimony)
Lust? you've just ruled that out as a legitimate reason.
What other feelings drive people to have sex (okay, I can see anger and hate as legitimate answers here, but somehow I sex ensued by either would constitute a sin worse than one ensued by lust)?
the real reason the church objects to sex out of wedlock is because it is blasphemy and heresy.
you see, sex is sacred in the Judeo-christian tradition (admittedly, some fanatic Christian treat it as the original sin, but this is not an original christian concept EDIT:Okay, after reading Paul's Letter to the Corinthians, i stand corrected. Boy, you have a screwed up religion.). It is the means of propegating, the (chronologically) first of the 613 commandments ("Mitzvot") ("And God said unto them: 'Be fruitful, and multiply" Genesis 1:28).
And, as all things sacred, it should not be taken lightly.
it should be practiced under respectful circumstances and with the proper thought in mind. And that thought is to propegate, thus fullfilling God's command, and not to "screw around", fullfiling nougt but momentary pleasures.
Also, remember that men (and women) were made in the image of god ("And God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them." Genesis 1:27). thus, making our own bodies of holy nature.
So, just as the church would object to the use of one of thosh incense-burning thingies as a bong, or to the use of a cross as a club, so it objects to the use of our bodies for somthing which is less than holy.
EDIT: Damn, I'm so wasted on atheism. Just think how I could induce guilt trips and fanatic fervors in impressionable youths.
GEN 1; 24-28
And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
26Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth,b and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
28God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
29Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
31God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
I'll take that quote in a broder context hitch.
This is from the very beginning of the bible where God creates everything. God gives this commandment to his new favorite creation; to go forth and cover the earth to please him.(lolol it's like were an ant farm)
It's an allegory used to explain why we are here on earth and can be used to explain the origin of our physical desires; The passage illustrates that our sexual desire are a gift from god.
Saying that sex cannot be done if not involving, Lust, hate, jealousy.. or that the act is in another way inherently impure would suggest that Gods gift of sex is tainted somehow.
Now if Sandman wanted to stay consistent with his religious beliefs (god i wish he would). He would know that it is our own freewill that turns gods gifts to evil.
Sandman wrote: Why IS it done, than?
What other feelings drive people to have sex which is not tainted by lust?
But instead he writes this ^
Now this is in direct contradiction to another bunch of crap he gave me in a different thread. There he told me that god did not create evil, we did through our free will. (that is consistent with what i learned growing up catholic.)
So If we can please stay consistent with what Christian interpretation we are discussing. It follows than that sex must be able to be done out of love. Since it is a gift from god and naturally good when sin is not involved in it's practice,
Sex before marriage does not violate any of God laws that are outlined in the bible( i have already made a long argument for this). therefor is is possible to keep your body holy and still have sex out of marriage since the act itself is not sinful and premarital sex is not sinful either.
The quote from Genesis is giving us the basis to understand where these desires came from. In the beginning god created us and told us to multiply so we could look after and reign over the earth. he gave us the gift of sex( for it was good) and helped us in the task of keeping our world dominion.
No where in the bible does it say you must only have sex to have children
(and your probably going to throw that story about spilling seed on the ground at me. But that story is about someone not living up to family obligations as it was customary for the brother to help in situations of male infertility back than)