Mods and Admin having a "Time Period"

[Noobert]

LOL I didnt make this suggestion thread. I did make a suggestion as did many others. Now that it is here even tho I do not believe it belongs here. I would suggest YOU discuss this in the mod forum as to how you would implement the requested changes to the service structure.

Please do let us know how YOU plan to address and rectify this current problem now that it has been brought to YOU ALL.

I never said you created this thread. I stated you have been constantly suggesting things, but not taken the step forward like RoKeT has and yet you still post reasons why you shouldn't suggest something to help this forum when apparently all you wish to do is "help the forum".

Who says this has not been spoken of since the creation of this thread? Nobody has.

There is no current problem, in my eyes or a few others. There are just players whining about wanting changes, while not putting forward any solid or backable suggestions.

RoKeT has taken the ideas you have all suggested, and put them forward without the knowledge of what the poster truly wanted or intended. I do not blame him for this, nor hold him at fault. Although, the main difference between him and you players? He's at least trying to help.

Another topic that comes to mind with your suggestions. The Ombudsman. You wanted to increase the power of that role, and yet look at how the voting is going. OE voting for OE, DDE voting for DDE, The Legion voting for the Legion, and a few others voting for Psi or Clarkey. You want us to increase the power for that type of role? I would not mind giving more power to a role that is justly earned, but when alliances/empires band together to pull for a candidate in their own alliance, regardless of how bad that individual or how badly he can effect the forum..I just have to laugh at how sad it is.

Once again, I ask you to put forward suggestions to better help the discussion rather than demanding answers or a decision. Thank you. <3

[semper]

Did most of you actually read what I said.. or did you find that you drifted in and out? Get stuck on the 'remove all admins and GM's'? Imbeciles.

- not removing all mods. Removing the beyond reproach of admins and GM's. Admins are elected from very select group. Blue's stay put and GM's are there to work with admins... any admin worth their weight would bring in the old GM's anyway and on that point you KNOW the two forum team admins would bring in old GM's anyway!

- Problem with experience = one of old admins are re-elected. One of mod team is promoted to admin. (again.. you're idiots). Only one person would be voted on from outside the team and they'd be a forum veteran. Someone who's been here for 4-5 years. They wont be an idiot.

- Problem with voting. Popularity is irrelevant because experience will be preserved. Handle allies voting by bringing in my rule from the awards and stopping them from doing it.
[spoiler]Simple justification the same with hall of fame. The award/role is such that you should need external support to get it to be worthy and to avoid bias.[/spoiler]

- The voting and fixed terms prevents forum team monopoly as well as making sure bad admins and mods suffer by losing the elections and hence losing their power.


Come on guys... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work these points out.

[jedi~tank]

The voting is biased anyways or havent you noticed. There is nothing wrong with the current system. I wonder why this is brought up now anyways inquiring minds want to know.

[Clarkey]

The voting is biased anyways or havent you noticed. There is nothing wrong with the current system. I wonder why this is brought up now anyways inquiring minds want to know.

i agree. All voting for whatever it is on this forum is biased. This current team is doing a pretty good job and the Oms office is proof of that, none of this garbage about people being too scared to complain or not bothered to report stuff.

[renegadze]

The voting is biased anyways or havent you noticed. There is nothing wrong with the current system. I wonder why this is brought up now anyways inquiring minds want to know.

i agree. All voting for whatever it is on this forum is biased. This current team is doing a pretty good job and the Oms office is proof of that, none of this garbage about people being too scared to complain or not bothered to report stuff.

So you're saying because there are cases in the "Oms Office" people are reporting "stuff"? and how exactly do you calculate all those that don't report because of the reasons above then?

IMO there should be no application process for Mods, people should be approaced by the Admins about a position when it has been noted that they are being both helpful and diplomatic with their posts. This negates any voting system (which we can all agree is ALWAYS rigged).

But on the previous question should the Admins be replaced? Yes I do believe there should be a lifecycle on their position - some people never forget abuses of power, and unfortunately. 'that' will follow those that do it for a very long time.

[Noobert]

The one thing I have yet to see from anyone on this forum is proof of abuse of an individual's power. All I hear is "the admins should be replaced because of the abuse in power" from multiple people, yet nobody has provided a single instance as to how one has abused it.

Interesting.

[semper]

Zeratul editing post's to preserve the identification of his multi's. That enough for you Noobert? That's a power no one else has other than the GM's and Admins and hence using it for personal gain when no others have access IS abuse of power.


As for voting.. I am saying it wouldn't matter.. it would give the community some say to get rid of mods and admins they didn't like. It's a popularity contest YES but that avoids this and because of the things I specified it keeps the source pool small and still filled with experience in 2/3 positions when looked at directly with forum team members.

[Zeratul]

It has been tried in the past to have GMs without considerable experience as blue mod and Admins without experience as GMs. Without exception, it did not work out. One of those was also an admin that had never had anything to do with the staff before.

[Noobert]

Zeratul editing post's to preserve the identification of his multi's. That enough for you Noobert? That's a power no one else has other than the GM's and Admins and hence using it for personal gain when no others have access IS abuse of power.


As for voting.. I am saying it wouldn't matter.. it would give the community some say to get rid of mods and admins they didn't like. It's a popularity contest YES but that avoids this and because of the things I specified it keeps the source pool small and still filled with experience in 2/3 positions when looked at directly with forum team members.

No - I said proof. Just because you say something doesn't make it true. I wish that were the case, I'd be King of the World with Deni as my personal slave but sadly..

[Cole]

I noticed what Semper talks about happening during the awards (in the discussion thread), mainly related to the award about role player of the year, and was wondering what the hell was the problem with telling the identity of the multi in question, not that it's not easy to discover if one checks closely (I did find out without much difficulty), as it didn't require the use of staff powers to find out.

[Zeratul]

that time in the awards was one of our flaws and mistakes, and the people truly affected by it (that round of awards mods) were apologized to. and it was in the RPer award thread, not in the discussion thread.

At the time we still had that illusion the forum multi in question was fairly hidden, though that illusion was starting to fall apart. (we had never really done a good enough job to hide it to begin with)

[Noobert]

And this is the Admin you players want to remove? An Admin that admits his faults, apologizes for them, and tries to make amends?

Proof enough is there, but at least he stood up and apologized for it. Win in my books.

[semper]

Apologising for the mistake when your ass is being nailed to the wall for it.. isn't good enough. It doesn't excuse the year of power abuse he used to hide it originally. If squirming under pressure at the point of judgement/potential punishment worked a hell of a lot more nazis would have walked free.

Many have been punished and stripped of their privledges for less (myself included)...I did not see mercy from the admins on any of these occasions. He abused his power... fact his fact and by acknowledging his apology you acknowledge his fault as fact Noobert.

[Tekki]

I asked in the other thread, so I will ask here.

Who has the experience in handling forum matters to be promoted to Admin? Let alone Global Moderators. Very few Moderators are ready to step forward for the Global position, let alone Adminship in my opinion. This is why I am asking this question.

Or do you intend to pick Admins/Globals from players of this community? If so, I would also like for you to show me people with the experience and willingness to step forward and do a good job for the benefit of this forum, and not themselves.

*Points to self*

+1

[Clarkey]

+1

(and that's a serious +1 because I never actually did anything to "benefit" myself, just went a little crazy is all.)