Re: The Order Vs TF
Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:15 am
You had no interest in peace mate - you have a personal interest in making as much naq as possible without even considering the long term strategic plan for TO.~Tziki~ wrote:@YojiLes Ennemis wrote:rikki should start his own alliance
On the contrary, i came to you to secure peace so that my members could prosper from it, not because it suited me. As we already know, farming TF is quite profitable and will only get better if in war. Which means not just myself but others too can prosper from it. Nothing in TO is done on a whim, i ask my members and frazz what they want or think before i do anything. Even Duderanch can testify to that, everyone gets a say in what happens.
I am merely the embodiment of the many, the collective voice, as far as im concerned TO has no leader, we lead ourselves and im just the guy that the opinions are voiced through.
Since you have already done the dishonor of quoting from privileged diplomatic conversations let me remind you that one of your responses to perspective peace was to request that you had every right to farm us 160 times in a 24 hour period (confirmed by logs) and you would be so generous to offer paying tax on all future mass farming of TF (the actual cheek to say that - Ill give ye kudos for have the balls)
Your actions regarding that farming streak over a 24 hour period started all this and your continued maddening and ridiculous suggestions lead to a 3 hour circular conversation where you agreed to a DRA with a 14 hit limit per day. So next thing is.....
You actions by immediately massing and farming us after the DRA treaty extension was rescinded says it all - even if you disagreed with our final decision you decided to instigate war. War without even giving your members time to prepare....where is the embodiment of your members with such an action?~Tziki~ wrote:So, you can try to convince my members of your **Filtered** all you want, try to make me seem like i have my own agenda and dont care about them, try to convince them their "leader" is nothing of the sort. But all your doing is making yourselves look even more dishonorable.
I argued that point but since you kept insisting that hokie was TF then Xanes hit was an illegal one. However read though the conversation and you will see that I conceded that Hokie was not TF at that time. The issue that I was chatting to you about was regarding actions taken BY hokie.~Tziki~ wrote:At the end of the day im human, i make mistakes and one such mistake was not knowing the precise state of our treaty when you came to me to adjust it. But you also told me Hokie was no longer part of TF, and hadnt been for a few days. If thats the case, the initial strike Xane made on him for the naq, was irrelevant because he's not a part of TF and therefore not covered by the DRA right?
He had left - as stated in our conversation, you were informed of his leaving due to him being HC and being present in the chat on skype....~Tziki~ wrote:Or was he? in which case he hadnt left, and therefore he too violated the DRA by massing frazz on ascended.
We never sought repayment for xane - we discussed the cost of such a hit by Xane on Hokie and the resultant escalation from Hokie (who was not a TF member at that time) due to the fact that you tried to use a two pronged approach to force me into a corner which did not exist.~Tziki~ wrote:You cant have it both ways, so tell me. are both hits irrelevant because he's not a part of TF, or are they both violations?
You keep forgetting that Hokie had already surrendered his account by your admission and that you were informed of his leaving
The above is mute since we both agreed that Xane's hit was not on a TF member (Hokie)~Tziki~ wrote:If its the latter, i already offered to check the logs and repay as appropriate, but your not willing to do the same for the massing. If its the former, then your whole argument is null and void and you have no reason to be angry about him being hit in the first place, nor my confusion at the state of our previous treaty.
My mistake was to recommend that TF open talks with you based on my past experience with you in Nemesis. I will freely admit that I truly misjudged that decision and also your sheer lack of desire for a long term solution with some of your suggestions.~Tziki~ wrote:So the only one with an agenda here is you, and your eagerness to turn a blind eye to your own mistakes in an attempt to appear innocent. The only one displaying poor leadership material is you and your unwillingness to do whats right to better relations and thereby allow your members to prosper more in the future.
I wont make that mistake again.
The original treaty was determined at the time and was considered the best option by both since you also did agree to it. If you truly felt that it wasnt in your alliance's best interests then you should have rejected the counter proposal.~Tziki~ wrote:As is the same with DDE. I came to TF willing to accept a NAP (because in the past that is what you demanded) so that my members could grow. But TF insist on silly demands before the war with DDE can be over, instead of just doing what is best for your members and just agreeing mutual terms.
I will forever criticise leadership if it is warranted - and I also accept that I am open to such opinions since I also serve a public role on behalf of TF - so feel free to criticise away~Tziki~ wrote:Dont impune my leadership capabilities, when your hardly displaying the epitome of leadership yourself...
build em up for me boys.
