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I've read all these posts, and you know what I do understand your concerns. But let me point out certain things. Being part of this community means you gravitate to certain people. Friendships form, and Idon't know about you, but I don't like attacking my friends. So naturally alliances are born. Now tell me, you have a powerful account, and outside of your alliance, you are most likely to talk to people on your level. And so the game evolves as the powerful gravitate to the powerful.

But of course there are exceptions. As many of you know, one of the old leaders of the OoC is a friend, and when she quit, she asked me to look out for her alliance. So I invited them to the GA, even though their power level was not even a fraction of ours. Although they refused, I've still kept an eye out for them until the recent inactivity of theirs.

As for building up opposition to the CoP, it is possible. It is not stats that make the CoP powerful. But, to do so would take the effort of building an Omega or DD. Very few people are capable of that. The problem is that most alliances view their path to progress 'through' Omega, as if going to war with Omega is the only way to power. When an alliance's efforts are solely directed on how to get rank 1 and how to defeat Omega, they are bound to fail, no matter what stats they have. You have to build a strong foundation and take baby steps before you can walk. Omega was built on that foundation. Having players like jake and fox and the sadly departed Iron beside me gave us a strong foundation from which we built. We knew we'd challenge the TA, the dominant power at the time, but we didn't focus on it, whereas it was amusing to read the TA's forums. I remember the consternation when Omega first took rank 1 from them.

So in the end you have to know your foundation won't crack. Don't overestimate your limits and certainly don't go posting ideas about attacking powerful alliances on your forums or spreading such ideas around among your members, b/c you certainly don't know who's watching. Biting off more than you can chew can be a painful experience.

Rhett: i was thinking on that. U are absolutely right.
And the powerfull gravitate to the powerfull thats right too.

Now what i think things that can make the game better:
(im not speaking as an actualy player, but as someone who wants to make the game better)

-CoP limit their numbers, so after a time no more powerfull will join, and they have to seach for another alliance. (hmm maybe there is a limit already.)

-I know u have strong commandement, but looks like there are still CoP members who are abusing the power of their alliance / coalition. I think a harder discipline could help the issue, but on the other side its hard to maintain and could cause inner tension.

And frankly, if u try to make this game better to the others (outside the CoP) by either adopting one of this ideas or try anything else, what u will do is make others stronger and your alliance more vulnerable. So i can see how hard could be to manage a very strong alliance.

PS:

Maybe if u could propose some suggestions - if u have - on the issue. This could evolve into a constructive conversation. And there could be ideas which is good for both sides.

I think EtL has already made a pretty good suggestion. It's simple. CoP are the biggest around. You don't have to go to war with them. Actually, if you're trying to get to number 1, fighting them would be a BAD mistake. Even if you were to win, you'd have lost enough power to still not be number 1. So just play with an attitude of "CoP, whothat?" and they will probably never even bother you.

geisha wrote:
- When have you last seen a fair war between 2 equally strong alliances?
- What chance is there any alliance will ever give CoP a hard time?
- What are we without our enemies?
- What goal is left when you have an army of 100 million + ?
- How do new players feel and what motivation do they have to play the game?
- Who will quit next?
- How many people are just hiding in the CoP for protection?
- Are you a stat builder or a warrior?
- Does this game have a future?

1. I would say FAHQ vs TO/TOAA. That was kinda fair. We average ranking in the 20s and TO was ranked 8 and TOAA was ranked below us. While we out "pointed" TOAA. TO out "pointed" us. IF you add the totals together, they have us beat by only about 30 bill.

2. I am hearin' EPA isn't doin' too bad of job.

3. "A civilization learns to build bigger walls, not from their friend. But from their enemy"

4. Challenging other people w/ 100+ mill army size

5. Not much as of late. It is becoming harder and harder for them to catch up to other players in the game. And almost impossible to do it alone.

6. No clue, hell it possibly could even be me (again)

7. I think more then people realize...(yes that may get me in trouble)

8. I am a warrior. My highest rank since aquiring this account? 3.4k He he, I don't play for rank, I play for fun

9. Maybe, I don't know with the current rate things are going, anything is possible.

Sleipnir wrote:I think EtL has already made a pretty good suggestion. It's simple. CoP are the biggest around. You don't have to go to war with them. Actually, if you're trying to get to number 1, fighting them would be a BAD mistake. Even if you were to win, you'd have lost enough power to still not be number 1. So just play with an attitude of "CoP, whothat?" and they will probably never even bother you.

Well actualy i have more and more friends in the CoP every day. And btw i never had the stupid idea to attack them:P

Actualy i want to be as good as them once, especialy in the endurance, cohesion and community they have.

Sleipnir wrote:I think EtL has already made a pretty good suggestion. It's simple. CoP are the biggest around. You don't have to go to war with them.

Noone can ever catch up with CoPs, being in CoPs means you rarely get attacked no matter what your defence. how many people in omega/dd ever go on critical unless they are actively at war?

If you are not in CoPs then if you dont go on critical then you get farmed so most players go on critical which means less resourses which means less naq to buy uu and get bigger.

So just by being in the super alliance means that the path is already there for you to become a massive player with a huge army size, just walk and talk the line and you will become powerful no matter what because you will rarely get attacked.

Also what is a game if you can NEVER challenge the top people, should everyone be content to sit there in the shadow of the mega alliance and be happy that they are left alone......mostly.

I truly do not understand why players in this mega alliance dont want to war with each other......I really cant, I dont see the point of playing a game where you are unbeatable.....where is the risk? where is the enjoyment of playing with that risk? Where is the enjoyment of having a fair fight or even fighting against the odds?

The only thing i can think of is that there is some other benefit outside the game, or they all the personality of someone who needs to be big and powerful to make themselves feel better, but many of us know someone in CoPs and that just isnt the case.....

Im not trying to accuse anyone or throw accusations around but I seriously do not understand the fun in being in CoPs and KNOWING you and your alliance can beat anyone in the game......

To me its like a 20yr old footballer playing in a game of 10yr olds and running around telling everyone how good he is because he scored 30 touchdowns/goals/try's

no risk........no challenge.......no glory

Mango wrote:Also what is a game if you can NEVER challenge the top people, should everyone be content to sit there in the shadow of the mega alliance and be happy that they are left alone......mostly.

I hear you. But this problem lies not with the CoP. It's a fundamental problem with the game itself. To the players with HUGE armies, massings are no longer a concern. So what, you lost your defense. Just buy a new one next turn. To truly stop such players means you need to be able to stop their economy. This is impossible due to:
-PPT
-No way to kill miners
-Ability to buy infinite attack turns and turn them into infinite money...with the input of some time.

So even if they decided to go after eachother, it would be pointless as they can't really hurt eachother. The only way to go is up.

So Sleipnir, you are saying this game is merely a race to invincibility and CoPs are already there?

If so, I agree

Mango wrote:So Sleipnir, you are saying this game is merely a race to invincibility and CoPs are already there?

If so, I agree

Agreed.

Game Over. CoP wins. Well done guys.

Mango wrote:So Sleipnir, you are saying this game is merely a race to invincibility and CoPs are already there?

If so, I agree

Unless drastic changes are made, yes.

Robe wrote:

Mango wrote:So Sleipnir, you are saying this game is merely a race to invincibility and CoPs are already there?

If so, I agree

Agreed.

Game Over. CoP wins. Well done guys.

Hey robe!

Good post.

You guys kind of bottom-lined it.
There simply is no point trying to win a game you have already lost.

Sleipnir wrote:

Acronon wrote:The game ... has no unity community any longer.
Everybody needs to remember that they are all a part of a very large and intricate community of people that are all here because we all share a similar interest or you wouldn't be here in the first place.

...

Just be civil with one another and remember that no matter what the differences you may have with another person in this community you are here with a similar interest.

I wish you all the best of luck with repairing the major train wreck that this community has become.

Sorry, but I think your most recent actions disqualify you from making any judgement about the state of this community. But good riddance to one of the drivers that tried to wreck this train on purpose.

See?
Just like I said, lmao.

So, being anti-omega is anti-community.

Your logic is flawed.

Mango i agree with you about farming and disagree that you cant grow if your not in CoP. Go look at Svarun, he quited 3 times and he is a traitor to Omega, now he has 60mil army.

netsuai - oh i agree, you can still grow outside of the CoPs

but its like plants, outside CoPs is like a plant in the earth, being in CoPs is like a plant with alot of fertilizer......it grows alot more quickly

Mango wrote:netsuai - oh i agree, you can still grow outside of the CoPs

but its like plants, outside CoPs is like a plant in the earth, being in CoPs is like a plant with alot of fertilizer......it grows alot more quickly

Subtle... very subtle Mango I like it.