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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:47 am
by Wolf359
I have examined the claims of cheating/rigging in the Awards and this is my conclusion:

In all of the voting threads I have found a total of 7 anonymous posts (this doesn't necessarilly mean they have voted).

There are also a few (but not many (less than 10)) accounts with a very low post count that have posted (and possibly voted). Only 1 of these accounts with a low post count is linked via IP to another forum account.

Now, I would like to say this - just because someone has a low post count it does not mean that their vote is invalid. Neither is it wrong to register on the forum just so that you can vote for somebody in a poll (a LOT of people did the exact same thing last year).

I do take a number of the points ( S T I's in particular ) - but at the end of the day, all awards are popularity contests - and that's everything from awards in this forum through to government elections. Why did Labour win the UK elections under Tony Blair and push out the Tories? Was it his policies? No. Was it because of poor Tory policies? No. It was because he became popular to a significant proportion of the UK population who stay at home all day, watching TV and reading tabloid newspapers, and they thought 'Oh, he's a nice man.'

I have also seen talk along the lines of that certain people should not be winning because they are not as good as other people elsewhere. Well, it may be the case taht they are not as good as others - but the fact they are/were winning and a number of people did not like it is NOT a good enough reason to cancel the existing polls and start new ones.

From what I have seen - there is NO proof of any wrong-doing and I do not believe that anyone can say, beyond reasonable doubt, that any wrong-doing has occurred.

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:49 am
by Wolf359
TheRook wrote:technically he was in charge of the EPAc which was last I heard/checked was a senate? so he didnt RUN those 6 alliances...

but I'm certainly not saying he didnt do a lot of work...

but I dont think unless he is running an alliance should win alliance commander of the year...

TheRook

no offence TAD/JS just stating what I think


Dundee is the leader of the EPA.

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:49 am
by Tok`ra
I hope Dundee aint leave.

Hes a good guy.

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:52 am
by Tok`ra
Wolf359 wrote:I have examined the claims of cheating/rigging in the Awards and this is my conclusion:

In all of the voting threads I have found a total of 7 anonymous posts (this doesn't necessarilly mean they have voted).

There are also a few (but not many (less than 10)) accounts with a very low post count that have posted (and possibly voted). Only 1 of these accounts with a low post count is linked via IP to another forum account.

Now, I would like to say this - just because someone has a low post count it does not mean that their vote is invalid. Neither is it wrong to register on the forum just so that you can vote for somebody in a poll (a LOT of people did the exact same thing last year).

I do take a number of the points ( S T I's in particular ) - but at the end of the day, all awards are popularity contests - and that's everything from awards in this forum through to government elections. Why did Labour win the UK elections under Tony Blair and push out the Tories? Was it his policies? No. Was it because of poor Tory policies? No. It was because he became popular to a significant proportion of the UK population who stay at home all day, watching TV and reading tabloid newspapers, and they thought 'Oh, he's a nice man.'

I have also seen talk along the lines of that certain people should not be winning because they are not as good as other people elsewhere. Well, it may be the case taht they are not as good as others - but the fact they are/were winning and a number of people did not like it is NOT a good enough reason to cancel the existing polls and start new ones.

From what I have seen - there is NO proof of any wrong-doing and I do not believe that anyone can say, beyond reasonable doubt, that any wrong-doing has occurred.




YEAAHAAWWWWWWWWWW!!!!


So, ORIGONAL vote threads being returned and unlocked ?

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:58 am
by Wolf359
I might also add that from what I can see, Forum registrations have NOT significantly increased over the voting period.

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:02 am
by buck
Wolfy, Are you putting back the original polls then? (They are in the dump)

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:04 am
by Wolf359
buck wrote:Wolfy, Are you putting back the original polls then? (They are in the dump)


I know - and not yet!

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:06 am
by buck
Wolf359 wrote:
buck wrote:Wolfy, Are you putting back the original polls then? (They are in the dump)


I know - and not yet!


But i want i want!!!

:lol:

Gald youve sorted it wolf, 3 cheers!!! Or is that howls?

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:07 am
by TheRook
Wolf359 wrote:
TheRook wrote:technically he was in charge of the EPAc which was last I heard/checked was a senate? so he didnt RUN those 6 alliances...

but I'm certainly not saying he didnt do a lot of work...

but I dont think unless he is running an alliance should win alliance commander of the year...

TheRook

no offence TAD/JS just stating what I think


Dundee is the leader of the EPA.


oo mod talk :/

I'm just replying to JS saying TAD was running 6 alliances... and pointing out he wasn't technically...

for his leadership of EPA I'm not saying he isn't elligable from that just not from the EPAc perspective in my view

TheRook

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:09 am
by Tok`ra
buck wrote:
Wolf359 wrote:
buck wrote:Wolfy, Are you putting back the original polls then? (They are in the dump)


I know - and not yet!


But i want i want!!!

:lol:

Gald youve sorted it wolf, 3 cheers!!! Or is that howls?



Me wants too.

Me was beatin Bucky before the whole debacle.

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:13 am
by J.S.
Its cool rook but from my POV

Dundee is the head of the EPAc senate, and any orders issued on the senate (None to date :-D :-D ) are carried out by the alliances..

So if Dundee said I want all of you to mass this one account the senators would go to the alliance leaders and say this one account is to be massed above all others then we do it.. You catch my drift

And anyway Dundee is active on ALL the EPAc member forums, and he makes a pretty good beer taste even better :-D

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:26 am
by TheRook
J.S. wrote:he makes a pretty good beer taste even better :-D



on this point alone TAD should be player of the year...

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:47 am
by J.S.
TheRook wrote:
J.S. wrote:he makes a pretty good beer taste even better :-D



on this point alone TAD should be player of the year...


Agreed LMAO

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:01 am
by Mattwell
J.S. wrote:Its cool rook but from my POV

Dundee is the head of the EPAc senate, and any orders issued on the senate (None to date :-D :-D ) are carried out by the alliances..

So if Dundee said I want all of you to mass this one account the senators would go to the alliance leaders and say this one account is to be massed above all others then we do it.. You catch my drift

And anyway Dundee is active on ALL the EPAc member forums, and he makes a pretty good beer taste even better :-D


So it goes from God to Wolf, to Dundee to Sheehan to the cleaners.

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:37 am
by S T I
J.S. wrote:Right after reading ALL of that I have a few things to say.. It might be a little bit messy becuase I am tired and hungry and the shop isn't open till 9am its now 7.40am

1. To my mate Bill, get back here soon buddy.. (I will send ya emails regarding something you might enjoy.... For later... ;-) )

2. S T I / Jeff here is your public apology.. I am sorry I had incorrect information about you, as a journalist I feel really bad, guess I need to go back to school on that one, :wink:

I am also sorry I asked my alliance who I know exactly how active they are to vote for me for Tauri of the year, and Most Improved player of the year.. (Yes I did send a Alliance wide PM asking IF they had an account on forums to vote for me) I am also sorry I asked all the EPA Players to also vote for me many of whom have seen me mass EVERYONE who has hurt them throughout the last year.. My total of players massed is nothing compared to Bill's alliances massed by himself but its in the 40's - 50's.. As for Total Alliances massed by me that is a smaller number of 15 or so...

However I like talking to my "victims" before I kill them.. (Serial Killer here RUNNNNN lol) Usually it ends up that farmers pay everything back with interest or something like that.. A massing is avoided and my strikers start massing eachother due to boredom.. Truth is I love massing.... For awhile its the only thing that has kept me in this game.. Especially massing Living God n00bs

EXAMPLE OF A PM I RECEIVED YESTERDAY

um.. hi there, its come to my attention that you are supposedly going to \'mass\' me!... um... ok, do i at least get to know why? if it is you, i understand you have a 100 bill attack, and i know you know my defense, i could get it to 86 bill defense quiet quickley, although there is still a 14 bill difference, and i dont know what ive done wrong, something to do with \'<name selfmodded>\' aka (<name modded>) or however you spell it, add me on msn if you want to talk about this maturley, <MSN modded> i do know lots of people your rank, and i know an ancient god, (im not tyrna threaten you btw)

i hope we can discuss this matter, so ill see you later! (g2g for tea)

bye... <name modded> ....



Now the above message was a nice n00b message, in MSN he even told me about his top 100 ranked Living God friend with his 300 billion defence and 200 billion strike, who he didn't give a name for me :evil: Anyway getting off point.. I like to mass.. But I like to see if I can sort things out first... :(

However I don't post who I am going to mass or what alliance I am going to mass.. I just do it get it over with and move on.. I tell whoever I mass why they were massed they either accept it and move on or they cry like a little baby and ask for help in massing me even tho they started it.. A nice little war is started and then eventually it winds up on these forums...

NOT ALL CONFLICTS END UP HERE YOU KNOW!!! If that was the case lets have admin implement a forum document for massing.. We will find that Section 8 Subsection D hasn't been filled in correctly and massing has been denied :roll: (For those who can't see what I am trying to say, just becuase I don't post on the forums doesn't mean I am not active..
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Now as regards a few more things..


Voting - See this is what I don't get.. This Forum's own black market sections you need 50 posts before you can post anything in there... If your worried about forum activity isn't Ingame then by all means lets scrap the game and just have forums.. That will be so much more fun we can all take the <nani?> out of each other till the cows come home and then people will go "YOU HURT MY FEELINGS SO THIS IS MY LAST EVER EVER POST GOODBYE" Once we make a certain group leave we will have won.. Oh wait, no becuase this forum exists becuase of what happens ingame.. Maybe we should just scrap the forums altogether, becuase a player who has been playing for the last year but hasn't registered on the forums is NOT really a player... They aren't active becuase they have a 4 million army size and are a living god after ascending to that level finally 3 weeks ago... The forums are NOT part of the game.. When people get that into their heads it will be a great day..

Game = Where everyone of us have/has had an account..
Forums for Game = Where everyone of us is "entitled" to post whatever we like, as long as it isn't disrespecting anyone..

The forums should be entitled to EVERYONE who plays.. Shaitan you said that phbbp isn't that advanced.. Upgrade to the latest version.. You can have all sorts of new options in it.. I know this becuase I am an admin in one such phbbp 3.0 forum.. You can add an option field to include Ingame ID and Ascended Status.. Just backup these forums take it down for a day or two and copy it over to the new ones.. Skin em up and your flying.. Then get everyone to complete their profiles..

Not sure on this one - You can set it so that say the ingame ID field people higher then a certain number can't post in certain sections.. That might solve your problems..

Now I know the system we have isn't a perfect one.. But for god sakes people its just a game.. Yeah I was nominated great and thanks to everyone who nominated me.. But in the last week I have been called the following

a. A cheat - For asking members of an alliance to vote for me

b. Desperate for trying to win - Same reason as A

Anyone who knows me knows I am ANTI cheat, did I see wrong in asking them to vote for me? NO!! Why becuase I know how active they are ingame..

Was I acting desperate in asking them to vote for me?? Maybe possibly I am unsure about this, but if it were an election wouldn't you get your local offical coming upto you kissing you baby etc.. Just merely doing the same thing.. Becuase remember a vote for me is a vote for you!! :-D



Now all of this has severely hampered my wanting to continue with this game.. Especially with everything that is going on in RL atm.. Which is far more important..

I honestly don't want to come onto the forums anymore but here is the kicker I love these things.. I love being able to comment on people and offer them my opinions.. But if all your basing my activity on is what I post here in the forums even tho I may or may not have an account is ridicilious..

S T I the name might be better known to people who just play ingame because he held his rank 1 for 7 months (See I got it right according to the information I had) just as when i started the game EtL was rank 1.. And there are other things that come into play here.. people who only use their accounts to make $$ and the occasional massing to keep them interested.. A lot of people are offended about this fact that people make money off this game.. Did you ever consider that this may be a reason why people didn't vote for some of you?

Finally, yes this is a popularity contest and the most popular guy will always win..

Jamie


Nothing changes,
this the last pm JS sent to me.


J.S. wrote:
The awards have been thrashed becuase of the public vote..

The people I asked have they voted also been playing the game for months just not on the forums.. They can see what I have or anyone else has ingame just becuase they aren't active on the forums doesn't mean they aren't active elsewhere..

I too don't want anything more to do with these awards or this forum as its a complete shambles..

I am also questioning the playability of the game at this point.

S T I Said
but you posted crap about me, you never bothered to read what i was saying, you even tryed rubbishing me by say ing i was not here for 7 months.

(not to mention how he rubbished me by saying how desperate i was to win & how low I woud sink to win) (which started all the other crap i recieved b4 people found out the truth) (these two bits were not in the message but were in the post he made which was sent to the dump) YOU WIL NOTICE I HAVE NOT RECIEVED A APOLIGY FOR THAT.

S T I said

I inturn just pointed out what was happening & showed it. I did say i was shocked that you would do this (not sure what words i used but i did say this.)
It was wrong to do what you did, these players don't know what has been going on in the past 15 months & you know it.

JS Wrote
The players are very active players.. Now I don't care what has happened since the whole thing has become a farce and obviously I upset you enough to leave the forums.. I have 2 things to say on that

1. Sticks and stones will break your bones but names will never hurt you.. Common Jeff your in your 30's for god sake stop acting like a child.. I have been called names all my life.. Insulted bullied becuase of the way I look.. And the colour of my hair.. Do you think I care anymore no I don't give a stuff.. So STHU about leaving the forums and put it past you for god sake..

2. Sorry about not having all the information correct ok.. I got the numbers mixed up.. I was tired & very pissed off that day.. So I apologise for that..

Anyway look don't bloody leave the forums thats just immature.. Even my sister who acts like a real dog everytime someone upsets her wouldn't do that..

Look bud this whole thing has caused me more stuff then its worth.. I don't give a toss anymore about this game hence im leaving.. Have a good one

Jamie

Then he makes that great big post at the top, i let you work out what it is all about.

Then he drops this little BEAUYTY in at the bottom,

S T I the name might be better known to people who just play ingame because he held his rank 1 for 7 months (See I got it right according to the information I had) just as when i started the game EtL was rank 1.. And there are other things that come into play here.. people who only use their accounts to make $$ and the occasional massing to keep them interested.. A lot of people are offended about this fact that people make money off this game.. Did you ever consider that this may be a reason why people didn't vote for some of you?

Finally, yes this is a popularity contest and the most popular guy will always win..

Jamie[/quote]

lmfbo good luck to you. ( & there was me thinking people may open there eyes & see)

coming from someone (JS) who votes for andy (corkscrew) wo sells alot more than me, but i don't have a problem with at all, but ask your self why would this be brought up :roll: :lol:

Quote Tokra

And yes STI they may know you, but things like massing an alliance cause a freind that was overbanking for you got farmed with the new update also make some people less likley to vote for you.

Quote S T I

http://stargatewars.com/stats.php?id=60402

now do you see what sort of people i was dealing with & thats tame to the message I recieved. but I didn't think it was neccessary to let the forum see the crap. It was just a bit of light entertainment Laughing for me, like i said i told everyone to stay out of it.

Quote Tokra

Oh, they sent rude PMs ?

Forget what I siad then :p .

but to get back to JS post


YES I SELL NAQ (don't vote for him :-D )
not to worry I am not in the cats anymore :wink:

& yes it is like the US Elections assasinate the other peoples character :roll: with inuendoes