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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 10:00 pm
by Silver Neccho
[SGC_ReplicÅtors] wrote:is aw this on the enws somewhere 2 vegans parents were sent to jail becuase they killed there baby how by feeding it vegys and non meat products
PWNED
if u believe in evolution then read.....how did our ancestors evolved from simple monkeys to humans....well they ate meat, meat increased our brain sizes and muscle mass and body height and everything.
PWNED
You cannot take one parents mistake and turn it against us all. The judge did not even rule that it was the diet of the child that killed the child. The verdict was murder. Secondly, I do not agree as a parent that one should make such a drastic diet choice for their child. It should be up to the child once the child can think for itself and has a strong immune system.
EDIT: Oh and seven, yes it was a copy and paste job, but I still have my own interpretation of what I pasted, and I believe I shared it.
Oh and I do not believe in evolution so PWNED right back at you. replicators! Neither creation or evolution has substantial evidence to back them up. If you believe in creation, adam and eve started off eating vegetables.
Re: Any Vegans or vegetarians out there?
Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 10:04 pm
by Ergon
~Alterans~ wrote:flamingo wrote:~Alterans~ wrote:P.S I do this for my health
That's silly, meat is great for your body. Its the best source of protein. And I'd like to put out there that eating eggs is not killing any animals at all, the eggs are not fertilized=no baby chicken in there.
Look at the statistic thick skull, refraining from eating meat is quite healthy for you.
Chickens are raised in crowded, unnatural environments. There are usually 3,000 or more in one pen. The birds are not able to move about freely or even spread their wings due to the over crowding. They use "nests" made out of metal and they are bred by unnatural means.
Thats called cruelty to animals, thats why I do not eat eggs.
Number of people worldwide who will die as a result of malnutrition this year: 20 million
Number of people who could be adequately fed using land freed if Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10%: 100 million
Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20
Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80
Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95
Percentage of protein wasted by cycling grain through livestock: 90
How frequently a child dies as a result of malnutrition: every 2.3 seconds
Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 40,000
Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 250
Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56
Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of edible flesh from feedlot beef: 16
There is more than enough vegetable out there for everything.
Umm.. I can get protein just fine without meat and vitamins.
that is **Filtered**..
eating healthy food is good for you, what you are saying is eating no meat is good for u
u should be ashamed of urself.
only fat people say that its healthy for you so they seem as if they are losing weight
damm u vegans
on the other hand i dont mind if youse are vagens
Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 10:10 pm
by geisha
geisha <3 meat
and this thread here goes to This and That now...
---> moved!
Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 10:13 pm
by Silver Neccho
My main thing is that meat contains high amounts of sat fat. Very bad.
One thing is certain, it does take a measure of self control to be a vegan, one week has already shown me that. Yes, I used to eat meat. No I was not fat. I have already felt it is easier to breath since I started this new way of life. To many vegans, veganism is a philosophy, a way of life. A vegan believes that harm should not come to any creature by humankind. A purely symbiotic relationship is what is sought. Let both live in peace.
Now while some have asked me, why do vegans not consume dairy products? I agree that milking a cow is beneficial to keep the cow from needless pain. But the body was never meant to consume bovine lactose. That is why so many people are lactose intolerant. Milk was simply not meant for human consumption. This is one of the only things that differ us from being vegan and just simply vegetarian. Now would you show them as much disrespect as you show vegans(not pointing fingers).
Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:48 am
by Lord Apollo
LOL your statistics made me laugh
Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a meat-centered diet: 13
Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260
that makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE WHAT SO EVER.
basically what your trying to say is 95% of oil supplies are put into meat processing.
either that, or people who eat meat 1) travel a HELL OF A LOT MORE.
or 2) lead a MUCH better quality of life.
If you want to be a vegan/vegetarian good for you. your just missing out on the best bits of life.
Anyhoo, this has put me in the mood for a nice big juicy burger!
Laterz
Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 3:28 am
by Osi
If god didn't want us to devour the weak...then why did he make them so delicious?
Also our evolutionary forerunners wouldnt have emerged from the trees and started using tools if they hadn't decided that maybe a nice slab of bovine is better then leaves and fruit. Protien from meat increaes brain size and activity. Its made us what we are today. And cruelty to animals? They arn't sentient lifeforms as far as I'm concerend. If we were capturing dolphins or whales and devouring them maybe, or chimps. You know something smart. But chickens? seriously. They evolved to be eaten.
Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 5:50 am
by The Xeno
My diet has been horrible the last few years (quality wise, not quantity). <_<
Quarter pounders, 1/3 Thick burgers, double whoppers with cheese, home-made burgers, sausage, beef sticks, slim jim's, jerky, fish fillets, chicken strips, hot dogs (kosher
), tuna (on sandwiches, on crackers, and straight from the can), cheddar cheese, pizza (usually pepperoni and mushroom), ravioli, some plain celery, and great amounts of granola, peanuts, chocolate, and cashews.
Vegitables and fruits are sparse... bar the celery
--- and I have never liked milk. Cheese I fully appreciate... but I try and drink water, iced tea, or sprite - you won't see me buying milk in any great quantity unless i've also got brownie mix in my hand.
I do try and get a salad any time i'm out of town... and chug vitamins at regular intervals. <_<
Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 6:13 am
by Londo Mollari
Oh and I do not believe in evolution so PWNED right back at you. replicators! Neither creation or evolution has substantial evidence to back them up. If you believe in creation, adam and eve started off eating vegetables.
and it was a forbidden APPLE wasn't it?
please post the website where your quoting from, in order to back up your "facts".
Animal cruelty is imo no reason to give up meat, considering that the animals would NOT exist if we didn't bread them to be eaten!
Humans have molars and incisors so that makes us Omnivours not herbivours or carnivours. By not eating meat your going against nature.
and btw, do you know for 100% certain that fruit and vegetables don't feel pain?
Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:27 am
by Gatedialer
Humans evolved to eat fruits, vegetables, and meat. Even homo habilus created tools to cut and slice meat off of animals.
Oh and about the kosher killing, If the animals head is cut off, how can it die from bleeding. XD. Severing the head from the body is a VERY fast way to die, and it also is pretty much painless since you die so fast.
And cows are slaughtered with a steel rod shoved into their brain lightning fast, so they don't feel the pain either, but are then drained to be kosher.
Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:39 am
by Kit-Fox
I havent read all the posts but the one thing I have to point out if it hasnt been already is that until the human genus started to eat meat both raw & cooked our intelligence was very low. It was only by eating meat that we increased our intelligence to the point we are at now.
so case in point, the 'missing link' must have found something handy in eating meat as it made them cleverer than the rest of the genus. Ie they bred and we evloved out of them, to go back to just eating nuts/berries etc and only vegetation will eventually see us losing our intelligence, allbeit over a very long period of time
Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:05 pm
by Silver Neccho
sgt.johnkeel wrote:Oh and I do not believe in evolution so PWNED right back at you. replicators! Neither creation or evolution has substantial evidence to back them up. If you believe in creation, adam and eve started off eating vegetables.
and it was a forbidden APPLE wasn't it?
please post the website where your quoting from, in order to back up your "facts".
Animal cruelty is imo no reason to give up meat, considering that the animals would NOT exist if we didn't bread them to be eaten!
Humans have molars and incisors so that makes us Omnivours not herbivours or carnivours. By not eating meat your going against nature.
and btw, do you know for 100% certain that fruit and vegetables don't feel pain?
I am sorry but there is no evidence that says the fruit that adam and eve ate of was an apple, so bug off.
Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:43 pm
by Come_Forth
[SGC_ReplicÅtors] wrote:is aw this on the enws somewhere 2 vegans parents were sent to jail becuase they killed there baby how by feeding it vegys and non meat products
PWNED
if u believe in evolution then read.....how did our ancestors evolved from simple monkeys to humans....well they ate meat, meat increased our brain sizes and muscle mass and body height and everything.
PWNED
Well SGC that is a good story and all, but the parents were not that bright and were feeding the baby an unhealthy diet, the same could happen to a regular meat eating family.
About the evolution thing it is true, but just because an animal did it does not justify it for a human. BTW something is killed Kosher by cutting the throat not by cutting the head. The animal is put upside down and it bleeds to death. Peta has some good videos about what goes on at a slaughter house. The word for bad and apple are close in latin and that is why the apple has been seen as the fruit, but the Bible does not say.
Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:47 pm
by Grand Admiral Martin
We are Human, We own Earth, We own everything in/on it.
Imagine when we are finished having fun and only humans live on Earth?
We'll all be vegans then!
Lord Osiris wrote:But chickens? seriously. They evolved to be eaten.
sgt.johnkeel wrote:do you know for 100% certain that fruit and vegetables don't feel pain?
Hahaha those two comment will keep me laughing for a good while. I can hear my apple scream when I bit it.
Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:47 pm
by Gatedialer
Come_Forth wrote:[SGC_ReplicÅtors] wrote:is aw this on the enws somewhere 2 vegans parents were sent to jail becuase they killed there baby how by feeding it vegys and non meat products
PWNED
if u believe in evolution then read.....how did our ancestors evolved from simple monkeys to humans....well they ate meat, meat increased our brain sizes and muscle mass and body height and everything.
PWNED
Well SGC that is a good story and all, but the parents were not that bright and were feeding the baby an unhealthy diet, the same could happen to a regular meat eating family.
About the evolution thing it is true, but just because an animal did it does not justify it for a human. BTW something is killed Kosher by cutting the throat not by cutting the head. The animal is put upside down and it bleeds to death. Peta has some good videos about what goes on at a slaughter house.
and PETA is the same group that routinely euthanizes pets and tosses them into dumpsters.
Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:52 pm
by Come_Forth
If the animal is suffering that is the moral thing to do. At least they try to help animals, most Americans are funding slaughter houses by buying the meat. It is not about whether the animals are smart, but about if they can feel.