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reborn wrote:

SVaRuN wrote:Mind you need 10 times lower fleets power not 5 times Josh...

And that is fair...

taking a big risk there then because at 10% u lose and u dont always hit a full strenght, thats y i went with the 20%

1. You have for instance 33 bils fleets not exactly 30 bils against 300
2. Fleets usually get better ratio then planets
3. You see the same effect when attacking. (if your strike is 650 bils and opponents defence is like 800 bils...he ll variate for exactly 200BILS while you will variate for 150 bils...the lower you get the better so when 10 times smaller. Yo have 80 bils strike you ll vatiate for 20 bils and he ll variate for 200...

SVaRuN wrote:

reborn wrote:

SVaRuN wrote:Mind you need 10 times lower fleets power not 5 times Josh...

And that is fair...

taking a big risk there then because at 10% u lose and u dont always hit a full strenght, thats y i went with the 20%

1. You have for instance 33 bils fleets not exactly 30 bils against 300
2. Fleets usually get better ratio then planets
3. You see the same effect when attacking. (if your strike is 650 bils and opponents defence is like 800 bils...he ll variate for exactly 200BILS while you will variate for 150 bils...the lower you get the better so when 10 times smaller. Yo have 80 bils strike you ll vatiate for 20 bils and he ll variate for 200...

When jake had 35k fleets & was hitting a 100bil planets twice the planet kept its defenc strenght & the fleets lost theirs, lossing the whole lot which i think came to about 400 bil loss each time, he did say this nearly happened on a number of other occasions. so he stopped attacking the bigger ones.

so what you are talking about is a higher risk & the losses would i think be massive, if you are saying about having a 33 bil strike to hit 300 bil, his was more % higher wise than what your saying.

I am only going by what he said happened.

Massing it would be pointless anyway, as by the time the defence was gone, the bonus would be worthless...

ya and putting a defence on it again at mind blowing size would be a dent in your wallet

now thats what i call a planet.........................

Never saw something like this but that guy sure is lucky that he found that planet,probly will be farmed quite much lol

Anyway building such a def is costly but if S T I could make it too then i think any bigger player can to,if he wants

Ah but here is the trick...why building fleets that can mass 300bils+ planets...if not to gain them....

The answer is simple...why creating an atomic bomb...

I have fleets for war purposes and not for economical ones...destroying...something that took tens of trills to build...
AS I once said...build it and someone will destroy it...why?
The higher the defenders go the higher the fleet guys go...in war I wasnt really planing to let the ppl keep their planets just because they were thought as indisctructable.
No, quite opposite...I build so that I can protect my way of gameplay...and if I am able to mass the biggest planets I can do that better.
It s not having some fetish about fleets...I would reather spent trills in UP and planet defences myself...but will that help me keep my game play? I think not...

S T I if Jakey didnt do any damage to the big planets then there is a bug. Even with 15times lower fleets then the opposite defences on the planet will cause damage to it...but it will destroy the fleets in the process that is sure. And yes with 10 times smaller fleets you need to hit it about 90-120 times before you get it.....

SVaRuN wrote:
S T I if Jakey didnt do any damage to the big planets then there is a bug. Even with 15times lower fleets then the opposite defences on the planet will cause damage to it...but it will destroy the fleets in the process that is sure. And yes with 10 times smaller fleets you need to hit it about 90-120 times before you get it.....

I didn't say he didn't do damage, i said on a couple of occassions the defences held there power but the fleets dropped so he lost all the fleets which came to about 400 bil each time, that makes 1.2 trill just for the loss & to replace them to carry on.

what you are saying is about a much higher fleet count & a higher % risk compaired to what he was doing so your losses would be much greater.

Now i know what i make per turn & i could not afford to take those losses, so how can you? is there some thing your not telling us


& yes i know there is no defence high enough, its part of the game,

liek some1 said he has it on MPSD it worthto keep it hidden 24/7

When you mass a planet defence, the bonus doesn't get destroyed....

S T I wrote:

SVaRuN wrote:
S T I if Jakey didnt do any damage to the big planets then there is a bug. Even with 15times lower fleets then the opposite defences on the planet will cause damage to it...but it will destroy the fleets in the process that is sure. And yes with 10 times smaller fleets you need to hit it about 90-120 times before you get it.....

I didn't say he didn't do damage, i said on a couple of occassions the defences held there power but the fleets dropped so he lost all the fleets which came to about 400 bil each time, that makes 1.2 trill just for the loss & to replace them to carry on.

what you are saying is about a much higher fleet count & a higher % risk compaired to what he was doing so your losses would be much greater.

Now i know what i make per turn & i could not afford to take those losses, so how can you? is there some thing your not telling us


& yes i know there is no defence high enough, its part of the game,

Ah I see...
He must be very unlucky...cause I was practicing these 1/10th power thing andd it NEVER happened to me...destroyed fleets I mean...

SVaRuN wrote:

S T I wrote:

SVaRuN wrote:
S T I if Jakey didnt do any damage to the big planets then there is a bug. Even with 15times lower fleets then the opposite defences on the planet will cause damage to it...but it will destroy the fleets in the process that is sure. And yes with 10 times smaller fleets you need to hit it about 90-120 times before you get it.....

I didn't say he didn't do damage, i said on a couple of occassions the defences held there power but the fleets dropped so he lost all the fleets which came to about 400 bil each time, that makes 1.2 trill just for the loss & to replace them to carry on.

what you are saying is about a much higher fleet count & a higher % risk compaired to what he was doing so your losses would be much greater.

Now i know what i make per turn & i could not afford to take those losses, so how can you? is there some thing your not telling us


& yes i know there is no defence high enough, its part of the game,

Ah I see...
He must be very unlucky...cause I was practicing these 1/10th power thing andd it NEVER happened to me...destroyed fleets I mean...

I thinks its you who have been lucky or there is a bug, because you explained it yourself.

If you takeinto account the % swing/drop in attack/defence like you said,

if you take your figures of 33 bil strike agianst a 300 bil defence, take into account the swing can be up to 30% for each. if yours drops by any more than 10% & the defence holds its power you lose your fleets
. There is a massive differance between 10% & 30% swing so you see like i said the risk factor is massive.

now if you have been doing it with small amounts the differance can be negated, but when you are talking about a 10% drop on 33 bil strike that takes it down to 29.7 & hitting a 300 bil defence does not get you the 10% min.

How many fleets are you talking about for 33 bil strike & what is the cost if lost. I think it would be about 600 bil +

[DDE] JediMasterX wrote:When you mass a planet defence, the bonus doesn't get destroyed....

yes it does but the bonus destroy effect takes 24hrs or however long the protection thing lasts that alows the cant rename planet.
once that is over the planet bonuses drop too match the damage the planet has recived.

know this for a fact it happend too me

BL1P wrote:

[DDE] JediMasterX wrote:When you mass a planet defence, the bonus doesn't get destroyed....

yes it does but the bonus destroy effect takes 24hrs or however long the protection thing lasts that alows the cant rename planet.
once that is over the planet bonuses drop too match the damage the planet has recived.

know this for a fact it happend too me

Ahh, thanks for that mate.

I wondered why after I stole a planet, the stats on it went down considerably. It had me stumped but now it makes sense.

yer like sti i think said this means if your stealing a planet that takes alot of massing too get the end result will not be worth it.

unless as savrun says your taking the planet just too anoy the other person then it doesn't matter. unless you lose 600bil worth of fleets a few times doing the massing 4 times at a total of 2.4tril would annoy the masser more probably

S T I wrote:When jake had 35k fleets & was hitting a 100bil planets twice the planet kept its defenc strenght & the fleets lost theirs, lossing the whole lot which i think came to about 400 bil loss each time, he did say this nearly happened on a number of other occasions. so he stopped attacking the bigger ones.

so what you are talking about is a higher risk & the losses would i think be massive, if you are saying about having a 33 bil strike to hit 300 bil, his was more % higher wise than what your saying.

I am only going by what he said happened.

That's odd. I've massed a 70 billion planet with almost exactly 1/5th fleet strength. Each hit was taking out 300-700 defense facilities and I was taking 800 million - 1.4 billion naq damage to fleets. I've never taken devastating damage to fleets unless I was outside of the 1/5 ratio of fleets to planet defense strength.