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i did read what you wrote, and it seemed fine i wudnt expect an alliance leader to say anything else about the matter, however i was just saying that you were proving my poiunt that he needs YOUR help when he said that HE could do it by himself, dont you agree,
and please dont call me an ass, you are better than that

I said dont make an ass of your self...

and better than what

I dont understand the misconsemption people have that some how I am anything more than an arrogant self absorbed **Filtered**

Point is I do protect my own he is now a member of our training alliance which means I wil protect him more than others...

you choose to make a thread.. so you choose to recieve EXTRA attention

REK i know you better than that
i dont think you are a meany and i can understand you want to protect him as i would do so if i was in your position but you are the leader, you dont only have to protect him, the leader of DXM shud be guiding them aswell as protecting them, showing them what is right and what is wrong

and sorry i misread your post i thought you were calling me an ass
my bad

Hmmm, Ya know Dark Baha your a good guy but maybe you shouldnt have kicked up such a fuss i mean, your going to have to go on in this thread now because you started said thread about it which means theres going to be some inter account activities because i sure as hell dont see rek comeing out and saying "oh yes feel free to attack my minions thats what they are there for" and i equally dont see you saying "oh yes its fine that some person said they where going to mass my 900 billion defence" so why dont we call it quits, i mean you just dont attack him again and im pretty sure he hasnt Actually touched you and neither has anyone else, unless you all want a war in which case, crack on!

oh buck i stopped farming DDE and DXM 2 days ago
i am just speaking my mind now, i think it is necessary for someone to speak up dont you

Dark Bahamut wrote:oh buck i stopped farming DDE and DXM 2 days ago
i am just speaking my mind now, i think it is necessary for someone to speak up dont you

Oh i do it all the time, I was just offering some advice as to what i deem is going to happen and what i deem would be a wise course of action *Shrugs* You can take care of yourself, Just some Buck lovein postage for ya

RobinInDaHood wrote:

renegadze wrote:sounds very familiar to a player with 10bil def expecting not to get farmed because he has a big fleet..........god grow up, it's your choice to have a def that size, and you make far to much naq to defend it

I'll assume that was directed at me so I'll respond.

There are many ways to defend naq. Building a huge defense is certainly one possible option, just not the one I choose. I protect my income with strike and people's silly infatuation with their poorly defended planets. You say I need to "grow up" (amusing because I'm probably twice your age) and build a bigger defense and I'd return the same statement to you about your 9-12 billion planet defenses.

I don't farm or raid other players, ever. In the last two weeks, I've hit four players for naq and immediately brokered it back to them so that it wouldn't be taken by someone else. I play the game actively and generally don't keep much naq out. In the cases where I do have naq out (almost exclusively when I am sleeping and not on PPT), most players don't bother me and I've even had a few well-wishers hit and broker as I have done with others.

However, when it comes time to protect income, I do so aggressively and without much mercy. Tell your boy I haven't forgotten that his PPT will be running out soon.

planet def's are worthless, the defence of your account isn't! chances are someone if they want a planet real bad will mass away at it until they have it. So the point of my wasting huge amounts of naq defending them would be?

When it comes to the defence on your account, if you build 250bil+ atm (seems to be about average) most people will leave you alone as they can't take it in 1 go. It would have to be an amazing amount of naq out for me to consider massing away to get to it. Obviously there are people that are excepion to this rule but in general I believe it holds true.

you lost 17bil naq (if memory servers me right) with a 10bil def, I was beating def's that size after my first week of playing the game. with your strike and a well timed hit you can take that back with 15 turns

thank you buck, your posts are always appreciated

and i think it is cleared up, i have spoken to many in DDE to try and get my head around this and i think i have

and to nigatsu my previous statements stay the same, watch who you are talking to unless you can handle it yourself, you just make yourself look bad,
just a word of advise, i learned it the hard way in my noob days and i think i should pass it on

renegadze wrote:planet def's are worthless, the defence of your account isn't! chances are someone if they want a planet real bad will mass away at it until they have it. So the point of my wasting huge amounts of naq defending them would be?

When it comes to the defence on your account, if you build 250bil+ atm (seems to be about average) most people will leave you alone as they can't take it in 1 go. It would have to be an amazing amount of naq out for me to consider massing away to get to it. Obviously there are people that are excepion to this rule but in general I believe it holds true.

I never maintain more than 5% of my account size in assets that can be massed. By keeping my defense low and aggressively pursuing farmers, I can easily shrug off a mass or threats of mass because I just don't have that much that can be removed.

When you invest 12 billion in planet defenses and raise the UP of a planet to 13K, you've got a sizable investment in that planet, hundreds of billions in the defense alone. If you farm me and I remove that planet from you in a single strike, even if I allow you to take it back instead of abandoning it, you've lost the defense and 10-20% of the production facilities. That makes it very expensive for you.

In contrast, if you decide to mass me back in retaliation, I stand to lose about 30K supers and 60K mercs on my defense and you might be able to bring down my covert agents to 20-40K which still gives me a high enough covert action to make sabs on attack weapons costly, not to mention the cost of attack turns to remove the small defense and covert agents. In the end, I'm out a few hundred thousand supers and a few defense weapons but you're out hundreds of billions in naq, lots of turns, repair naq, super attacker/merc losses, etc. Twenty-four hours later, I can repeat the process and continue to do so until your entire planetary inventory is gone.

As I said, there are many strategies to playing the game. For me, I minimize potential loss and maximize potential damage to my opponent. In the event I'm at odds with someone who (like me) believes that planets are a waste of resources, I can switch to a conventional mass strategy by maintaining a decent strike, mothership, and anti-covert capabilities.

I can't see how this is a bad strategy in any war or in this war game.

with your strike and a well timed hit you can take that back with 15 turns

As I indicated, I don't farm other players.

Hells__Angel wrote:I think anyone who cannot build a defence, within the region of what it needs to be to defend their income, has every right to be farmed, no matter who their friends or their alliance members are.

Dark Bahamut wrote: [insert] any big "warring" alliance name[/insert] but wouldn't it be better if you actually thought your members something about playing the game properly, they might actually learn something about how to play this game

Someone in the bigger alliances are thinking in the lines of this, it is a bit unbelievable. Having a defence is part of the game no stat building. Do you consider high Covert and Strike also part of the "statbuilding" phenomenon? So in theory you don't train effective and stand alone members but a group of "small" players huddled around "couple" of "larger" players for protection. I can't say that this pattern doesn't work, it does. I've never attacked anyone in the "Power" alliance before. Even if I raid and get a polite message to stop I do that and I offer help to them.

I remember the last alliance that had small defences and big incomes, Omega. When they done it worked for several reasons, for a start they were feared which was enough to put most farmers off. Secondly at that tiem that was how you could play the game, as they had like 20 of the top 30 players.

Now Omega have changed there tactics as the game has changed, they have the defences to match the incomes. I applaud Omega for there change in tactics, I have much respect for you.

DDE are now trying this, it wont work, there are too many strong people not in your alliance that can hurt you and you are carrying too much dead weight with big mouths. There are a few of you that can handle yourself but the majority cannot. Also you are not feared, you are nothinged, as you are annoying. Change your tactics and don't be left in the dark ages.

You n00bs, I'm not in a big alliance.

~I+AM+A+N00B~

Pele wrote:I remember the last alliance that had small defences and big incomes, Omega. When they done it worked for several reasons, for a start they were feared which was enough to put most farmers off. Secondly at that tiem that was how you could play the game, as they had like 20 of the top 30 players.

Now Omega have changed there tactics as the game has changed, they have the defences to match the incomes. I applaud Omega for there change in tactics, I have much respect for you.

DDE are now trying this, it wont work, there are too many strong people not in your alliance that can hurt you and you are carrying too much dead weight with big mouths. There are a few of you that can handle yourself but the majority cannot. Also you are not feared, you are nothinged, as you are annoying. Change your tactics and don't be left in the dark ages.

obviously you have no idea what your talking about I suggest you shut it once and for all

all we have done is become a nicer alliance since we were before the war...

HAHA that come back........ wow.......I mean you showed him didn't you!!

Pele is right in one area for sure.....lotta big mouthed folk in DDE.....not all of them are bad of course......just most of them

wouldnt have it any other way