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Re: minimum APP per account with new balance
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:53 am
by Jack_Q_Neill
what is the result from this poll now (will anything be done, and when)? i think that by now the people have already gotten a huge advantage .... postponing any actions regarding changing the APP minimum will result in further exponential growth differences
Re: minimum APP per account with new balance
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:36 am
by Mojo Rising
TheRook wrote:Mojo Rising wrote:And once the top accounts reach 2 billion planets, their CER drops to 57.34% (or some funky number like that). And the more that they go over the 2 billion planet mark, the more that percentage decreases, till at some point, CER stops. Eventually, everyone will be at the same amount of planets. Won't the server be fun, then? Thank you Jason!
but wont every hit that point? but you will have the advantage of just over 6 months before anyone else reaches that 2bill mark
say everyone has 100mill armysize and has 10mill planets/day to get to 2 billion it will take them 190 days
but most will be around 10-50mill and wont have the UP that high so your looking at 8-12 months to reach 2 bill planets
TheRook
Yes it will take some people a little longer than others to make 2 billion planets. My point to you is that it is going to happen in under a year and everyone is going to be at the same number of planets eventually. And, since levels cap at 1000, the game will stagnate and die, as playing well means nothing now in ascension. The server has already lost its attractiveness to a lot of people who worked hard and sacrificed much to be able to do well in ascension, only to have it all thrown away with this stupid, irresponsible, and totally logicless update.
Re: minimum APP per account with new balance
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:42 am
by TheRook
I think the next update is to create alliances on ascension as there are alliances up there and thats obvious if anyone accidentally farmed/raided a DD member without the DD tag and that person who didnt know suffers the wrath of the uber gods!
now people can grow under their own steam without ahaving to mass raid people
Mojo have you stopped playing main because you've reached the plague?
thats basically what the reduced CER is above 2bill...
I personally think now main is at the point where the buying/raiding/plague amounts need increasing but thats a whole different topic
but eventually the same will be needed on ascension in a years time the "Ascended plague" will need increasing perhaps to 4 bill...
Re: minimum APP per account with new balance
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 5:56 am
by Rich™
TheRook wrote:Mojo Rising wrote:And once the top accounts reach 2 billion planets, their CER drops to 57.34% (or some funky number like that). And the more that they go over the 2 billion planet mark, the more that percentage decreases, till at some point, CER stops. Eventually, everyone will be at the same amount of planets. Won't the server be fun, then? Thank you Jason!
but wont every hit that point? but you will have the advantage of just over 6 months before anyone else reaches that 2bill mark
say everyone has 100mill armysize and has 10mill planets/day to get to 2 billion it will take them 190 days
but most will be around 10-50mill and wont have the UP that high so your looking at 8-12 months to reach 2 bill planets
TheRook
It wont be 190days due to exponential growth.
Re: minimum APP per account with new balance
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:09 am
by TheRook
yes due to higher incomes etc they will gradually speed up but your not going to match all of his stats your just going to be closing the gap you can get their quicker if you purely stat up production/charisma but you will have a really uneven account but it will be fast growing...
I'm talking about a godo well balanced account
TheRook
Re: minimum APP per account with new balance
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:13 am
by Funky White Boy
Mojo Rising wrote:And once the top accounts reach 2 billion planets, their CER drops to 57.34% (or some funky number like that). And the more that they go over the 2 billion planet mark, the more that percentage decreases, till at some point, CER stops. Eventually, everyone will be at the same amount of planets. Won't the server be fun, then? Thank you Jason!
That is rubbish, I may only be rank 108 and a tiny account next to you but I can see no point of a complete cap in ascended. Maybe a maximum cap of 50% of growth. P.S like the funky numbers
Re: minimum APP per account with new balance
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:37 am
by Neimenljivi
Well I think it's the best to give everyone a set amount of APP...Cause I aswell did my last ascension small because it was when every planet, including guided, can be raided, so I did ascend with minimum amount of APP. Why? Because it was stupid to play it, unless you were in former CoP because otherwise when you'd reach some amount of planets, you'd get raided by CoP - period. And I also am not one of SGW's first players so I couldn't ascend when ascension came out and therefor with ascending a year later I already had a huge dissadvantage. That's how it was and that's why myself and a lot of other players did ascensions with minimum amount of APP.
Now when you couldn't loose your guided planets via raiding without untraining them first, I gave a try to ascension and have built, without any ascension, my account up for quite a lot - it's somewhere arround #300 now...Isn't bad for someone who didn't pay attention to ascensions due to reasons stated above eh?
All my upcoming ascensions were planned and will be done now with a minimum of 1 mil APP, why? Because it's worth to play ascended now because there isn't a risk of getting completly destroyed by certain group of people.
And you can see from rook's proof with some simple calculations how much you'd have to have on main in order to CATCH UP, NOT overtake, the top accounts...And getting that much reasources in that amount of time is impossible. Not to mention that everyone's level costs will become much higher, not just the current top accounts...So even if someone would manage to catch up with the levels (it's a very big if), with the reasources top accounts have noone will be able to catch up...Of course it's a totally diffrent story if they sell all of their DMU for main stuff.
About sacrifising their main accounts, guys, stop...You have gained a lot more thro selling DMU than you have spent for ascension in the first place...It's not those who sacrifised their main accounts the most that are on top, those that started playing ascension when it came out are on top...And they have also gained about 5 times as much main stuff, as they put in ascension in the first place, from selling DMU on ascension
And again, from this "story" you can see why it isn't a good idea to give amount of APP u have gained in ur last ascension, but it's better to give everyone a set amount of APP, say 1 or 2 mil...
Sorry for the long post but this needed to be said....
~N
Re: minimum APP per account with new balance
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:46 am
by TheRook
Neimenljivi wrote:And you can see from rook's proof with some simple calculations how much you'd have to have on main in order to CATCH UP
~N
I never thought I'd see the day you almost agreed with me
had to take off the yellow text just incase my eyes were fooling me...
if its true that the CER can drop to nothing I personally thing that needs changing/stopping
at the max I would say 50% CER drop and then possibly 25% Production (DMU) drop so that you guys can still grow...
stopping you entirely is just not cricket...
TheRook
Re: minimum APP per account with new balance
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:58 am
by Funky White Boy
I think it would be wholly unfair for ALL to get 2 million APP. I have never been allied to COP and have an account currently ranked 108. That is because I still put time and effort in. Yes I got raided 3 times but got up again each time. I have ascended with 80k UP and rebuilt again in main to get these points. I think the main issue here is those who ascended some time ago getting a raw deal not those that chose not to be particularly active in this server suddenly deciding now with rule changes that they want to become more active.
If you want to have a better account ascend again but this time with a decent UP with the cap on the number of ascensions gone you can get the account you deserve. If you do small ascensions you deserve a small account
If you chose to put mimimum effort then your reward should be less stands to reason. A blanket number of APP is insane.
Please stop with the yellow text makes my eyes hurt
Re: minimum APP per account with new balance
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:59 am
by V|per
Minimum shouldn't be raised to 1mil. I got 1mil from my last ascension and if it gets raised then anyone who ascended with the minimum will still get the same amount. I like the idea of an exponential increase based on the time of the last ascension. It's the best solution to this problem.
@Neim
Everyone would've done their last ascension with more app, if they had known this update was coming.
Re: minimum APP per account with new balance
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:02 am
by TheRook
V1per wrote:Minimum shouldn't be raised to 1mil. I got 1mil from my last ascension and if it gets raised then anyone who ascended with the minimum will still get the same amount. I like the idea of an exponential increase based on the time of the last ascension. It's the best solution to this problem.
@Neim
Everyone would've done their last ascension with more app, if they had known this update was coming.
no I think you mis understood the minimum amount doesnt get given if someone ascends now with 10k APP and gets 1 million
the 1 million is for those already on the server who got "free app" from the updates
what you ascend with in the future is what you get
TheRook
Re: minimum APP per account with new balance
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:03 am
by Neimenljivi
TheRook wrote:Neimenljivi wrote:And you can see from rook's proof with some simple calculations how much you'd have to have on main in order to CATCH UP
~N
I never thought I'd see the day you almost agreed with me
Life is full of surprises
v1per the cause of minimum ascend was that ur ascended account could get destroyed in seconds
~N
Re: minimum APP per account with new balance
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:05 am
by V|per
TheRook wrote:V1per wrote:Minimum shouldn't be raised to 1mil. I got 1mil from my last ascension and if it gets raised then anyone who ascended with the minimum will still get the same amount. I like the idea of an exponential increase based on the time of the last ascension. It's the best solution to this problem.
@Neim
Everyone would've done their last ascension with more app, if they had known this update was coming.
no I think you mis understood the minimum amount doesnt get given if someone ascends now with 10k APP and gets 1 million
the 1 million is for those already on the server who got "free app" from the updates
what you ascend with in the future is what you get
TheRook
Yeah, I know that. And I got 1mil from it, some got 100k. Now they should just get 900k more, while I get the same amount?
Re: minimum APP per account with new balance
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:06 am
by Funky White Boy
No to the yellow text Pleeeease
Also a big fat no to blanket amount of APPs. Yes to a multiplier based on length of time since last ascension
Re: minimum APP per account with new balance
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:29 am
by PSICOLIX
Mojo Rising wrote:And once the top accounts reach 2 billion planets, their CER drops to 57.34% (or some funky number like that). And the more that they go over the 2 billion planet mark, the more that percentage decreases, till at some point, CER stops. Eventually, everyone will be at the same amount of planets. Won't the server be fun, then? Thank you Jason!
57%? its confimed? or you shoting a #? because the upgrade says no great change after 2 Bill....