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trust us we'll get the uu
it might come down to us raising the prices but we will get them
there is always someone selling

Agapooka wrote:About skill, I've said it before and I'll say it again: my objection to this game is simply that it no longer requires much skill to play; it only requires only that one waste an incredible amount of time playing it. It wasn't always this way, and I propose ways of changing the game so that it becomes all about skill.

Right now, the market works with artificially created resources, meaning that the game works to the advantage of certain practices and players, simply because right now they are wealthy and right now they spend a lot of time playing the game. I say: why have an artificial market?! Let prices adjust themselves properly and eventually they'll balance out. Limit purchases of ATs to a person's own MTs: it means that people will have to think about what they buy and sell there, and it stops the sale of MTs, which wasn't meant to be. If there are no such limits, the game becomes all about who takes the game too seriously and lives online the most. Don't tell me that THAT is skill.

Agapooka

Well, I know from a different game, which is pretty much like you describe the way SGW should be (no artificially produced AT, no raiding, etc), that there is never a balance. Actually it's even more unbalanced because the only way to grow is by UP and buying UU, and accounts grow exponentially. The ones that play since day 1 and made the right decisions in the beginning have a huge advantage over smaller players or the ones that just started out.
No caps or restrictions - except for the current plague, which seems messed up - will ever stop the big players from growing faster than the small players.

Kaj wrote:Yeah 500bil a day cant force someone to sell to you though.
That said i think if offered 500bil for 1k turns i might be swayed lol

And that just proves my point why bigger players will always grow faster, they can afford it.
Even if you restricted the selling of AT to own MTs, small/new players would complain because the biggest player could build up the biggest attack and farm anyone.

My point in all this rambling is: The game is evolving, get used to changes and make the best of it. That is the real strategy.
If you want to play a game that doesn't have surprises or if you don't want to adapt new strategies, play checkers

[EK]lilith wrote:

Agapooka wrote:About skill, I've said it before and I'll say it again: my objection to this game is simply that it no longer requires much skill to play; it only requires only that one waste an incredible amount of time playing it. It wasn't always this way, and I propose ways of changing the game so that it becomes all about skill.

Right now, the market works with artificially created resources, meaning that the game works to the advantage of certain practices and players, simply because right now they are wealthy and right now they spend a lot of time playing the game. I say: why have an artificial market?! Let prices adjust themselves properly and eventually they'll balance out. Limit purchases of ATs to a person's own MTs: it means that people will have to think about what they buy and sell there, and it stops the sale of MTs, which wasn't meant to be. If there are no such limits, the game becomes all about who takes the game too seriously and lives online the most. Don't tell me that THAT is skill.

Agapooka

Well, I know from a different game, which is pretty much like you describe the way SGW should be (no artificially produced AT, no raiding, etc), that there is never a balance. Actually it's even more unbalanced because the only way to grow is by UP and buying UU, and accounts grow exponentially. The ones that play since day 1 and made the right decisions in the beginning have a huge advantage over smaller players or the ones that just started out.
No caps or restrictions - except for the current plague, which seems messed up - will ever stop the big players from growing faster than the small players.

Isn't that the point though? - Growth should be by UP and actually buying UU - not by using artificailly produced army readiness (turns) to steal somebody else personel? If growth was that way then it would be growth as a direct result of true effort and management of resources - not by the mind numbing monotony of raiding with endless AT - which you can train a monkey to do!

And surely (if growth was by UP and management of resource) the guys who have been around since day 1 and who have managed their accounts well would deserve to be at the top? They still wouldn't be uncatchable, because as stated before, AT would then be a rare commodity, and those smaller/newer players would be able to sell at high prices to the larger/older players - since these people would still undoubtedly need them for massing or attacking each other - whereas at the moment, the larger players have less use for AT and sell them at an inflated price to smaller players.

Get rid of caps, get rid of plague - except maybe as a random element (remember when we used to have those) and make UU killable again - now that truly would level the game.

Oh and I fail to see how adapting to a game's changes, when the changes reduce the need for any strategy, is a strategy in itself.

Wolf359 wrote:Isn't that the point though? - Growth should be by UP and actually buying UU

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Get rid of caps, get rid of plague - except maybe as a random element (remember when we used to have those) and make UU killable again - now that truly would level the game.

Oh and I fail to see how adapting to a game's changes, when the changes reduce the need for any strategy, is a strategy in itself.

Wouldn't that be unfair towards the small player as well?
Like I said, accounts would show exponential growth, a 10mil account could by 100k a day while a 100mil account could buy 1mil, after 100 days you'd have a 200mil accounts vs a 20mil etc... That wouldn't exactly be catching up now, would it?

I wasn't around when UU was killable, so I don't know exactly what you mean with that point, but wouldn't it be unfair for the 'small guy' as well?
Big players could completely destroy smaller players without any effort. Leveling the game? I think not...

And I don't want to start bickering about word interpretations here, but adapting to change is a strategy, even if it's adapting to a less strategic game
But some people cannot adapt and are left behind. Think your boss will understand if you refused to switch to Windows just because you've always worked with DOS and it's easier for you?

But I think we're losing sight of the actual topic, which is a petition against the new caps, not against raiding or for a limitation of AT...

[EK]lilith wrote:Big players could completely destroy smaller players without any effort. Leveling the game? I think not...

They already can. Some might argue that they already have.

Put my name on the list to: FreeSpirit

nothing will change with this dynamic cap....if u stoped whining and went raiding,farming,buyin uu you would be quite a lot bigger by now

Tok`ra wrote:

[DDE] JediMasterX wrote:Anyone who I am not allied with signing this petition has the great risk of missing their defence from me.

Bring it on m8. This game has degenerated into a clickfest of raiding, and I wont change my views.

Come on bud, you should know I hate raiding. The buying UU part I love. Raiding I could give a crap. Personally I think raiding should only be kept to 50 mil army size. That way the smaller players can only raid and theb igger players rely on UP and buying UU, but thats me.

And accoding to mystake I'm a bully. No, I'm just making sure this update doesn't get ruined. He says this is voicing your opinion, no this is rebeling. For too long has the caps been at their current point. People use to say not enough people are at 75, 100 mil+ army size. Before it was semi-rare to see someone that size, now people are getting 150 mil +. Some close to or over 200 mil as well.

Seriously, if you raid or buy uu you can catch up. I had an officer who mad about 40 mil UU in a 2 month period of raiding so don't give me this crap about how small players can not catch up to bigger players in the game. Theres you proof right there. If you don't want to raid do like me and farm naq. I don't raid and I'm happy where I am at.

So really this is just a whining thread of people begging for forum to hold their hand.

Mukasa wrote:nothing will change with this dynamic cap....if u stoped whining and went raiding,farming,buyin uu you would be quite a lot bigger by now

STHU you pos

chosen one wrote:

Mukasa wrote:nothing will change with this dynamic cap....if u stoped whining and went raiding,farming,buyin uu you would be quite a lot bigger by now

STHU you pos

Yeah **Filtered** you Mukasa

[EK]lilith wrote:

Wolf359 wrote:Isn't that the point though? - Growth should be by UP and actually buying UU

[...]

Get rid of caps, get rid of plague - except maybe as a random element (remember when we used to have those) and make UU killable again - now that truly would level the game.

Oh and I fail to see how adapting to a game's changes, when the changes reduce the need for any strategy, is a strategy in itself.

Wouldn't that be unfair towards the small player as well?
Like I said, accounts would show exponential growth, a 10mil account could by 100k a day while a 100mil account could buy 1mil, after 100 days you'd have a 200mil accounts vs a 20mil etc... That wouldn't exactly be catching up now, would it?

I wasn't around when UU was killable, so I don't know exactly what you mean with that point, but wouldn't it be unfair for the 'small guy' as well?
Big players could completely destroy smaller players without any effort. Leveling the game? I think not...

And I don't want to start bickering about word interpretations here, but adapting to change is a strategy, even if it's adapting to a less strategic game
But some people cannot adapt and are left behind. Think your boss will understand if you refused to switch to Windows just because you've always worked with DOS and it's easier for you?

But I think we're losing sight of the actual topic, which is a petition against the new caps, not against raiding or for a limitation of AT...

No, it wouldn't be unfair to the small guy as well, because the small guy can then sell AT to the big guys at huge prices, and since AT will then be a rare commodity, why would the bigger guys waste them on the smaller ones when the likelihood is they will need them for more important matters later? And even if they did - a few smaller guys could then take down a big guy without the fear of on eperson then destroying all o fthem or a whole alliance.

Also - growths will always be exponential, no matter what occurs - but the point of it being expnential via UP is that it has been worked for.

Wolf359 wrote: ...make UU killable again - now that truly would level the game.

Nooo... God No.

It sounds excellent in theory, but in practice (even if this update could be sneaked in without anyones prior knowledge) the day it went live a respective powerblock would preemptivly erase its counterpart(s), blowing away what little ballance you have left. Say hello to old ascended v2.0. You could bet heavilly on that one imho.

rival power blocks??????


oh yea, down with this terrible update

chosen one wrote:

Mukasa wrote:nothing will change with this dynamic cap....if u stoped whining and went raiding,farming,buyin uu you would be quite a lot bigger by now

STHU you pos

WTH is a pos?
and why is everyone slaying mukasa?
he is just saying it the way it is and he isnt even at 75 mil yet


i think, soz if im wrong mate lol

Dark Bahamut wrote:

chosen one wrote:

Mukasa wrote:nothing will change with this dynamic cap....if u stoped whining and went raiding,farming,buyin uu you would be quite a lot bigger by now

STHU you pos

WTH is a pos?
and why is everyone slaying mukasa?
he is just saying it the way it is and he isnt even at 75 mil yet


i think, soz if im wrong mate lol

ur not wrong mate,i'm at 30m....