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steve if you dont like the millitary leave w/e county in your and go to some country thats in the middle of a civil war or were you dont feel safe walking down the street also
"It's the soldier, not the reporter who has given us Freedom of the Press.
It's the soldier, not the poet, who has given us Freedom of Speech.
It's the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the
Freedom to Demonstrate.
It's the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the Right to a Fair Trial.
It's the soldier who salutes the flag, serves under the flag and whose coffin is draped by the flag, Who gives the protester the right to burn the flag."

Edited as issue has been resolved. Thank you for editing your posts.

Well, I don't post on here very often as I find most of the puerile nonsense that goes on here quite distasteful. However, for some reason or other I feel compelled to post.

Reaperman, imagine that this thread was being held as a conversation. Perhaps in a cafe in Baghdad ten years ago. Your anti government views would have earned you an early morning call by the 'special police' and you would have been tortured and perhaps killed for those views. The war in Iraq has many faults and there are many troubles in that country now but the people of Iraq are now free to express themselves politically. Why? Because some of those poor dumb bastards you dislike so much were willing to lay everything on the line.

You state that your post was not aimed at people defending their countries. It was aimed at the 'invaders'.
Most of the soldiers fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan are volunteers. They sign on the dotted line to protect their respective countries,unfortunately once that signature is completed the soldier looses the right to choose which wars he or she serves in. All would be willing to stand and defend the borders of our countries and our loved ones but that is not a choice given to the common soldier.

Do yourself a favour and do a bit of independent research. See how many times US or UK(used as examples as we do tend to be at the forefront of these invasions) soil has been threatened in the last 20 years or so.

Reaperman, do we, as rich, democratic countries not have a responsibility to help other countries? When we see injustice and dictatorship are we to stand by and allow it?

As a former British soldier who served in Northern Ireland and Bosnia it fills my heart with joy when I encounter rabid pacifism such as yours. Because, in a very small way it was me and others like me that gave you the right to express that opinion.

smooshable wrote:I'm not stating which side of the fence I am on, but I am hoping everyone, including the veterans can see the difference between critisizing the political act of going to war and critisizing those who are following the orders.

The former is acceptable for public consideration, the latter is not, at least on these forums.

Thanks Smoosh. I was thinking that.

I have never served. And I never will. I grew up watching my father serve.


.....*sighs*..... Reaperman. I'll say this. My father didn't get to pick where he went. My father never got to choose which conflicts he got to be a part of. When he went to Bosnia.... it was hard, cause he wasn't sure he wanted to be there. But he went. For a couple of reasons.

He could help. And he knew it. He had 12 years left in his contract at that point in time. Cause you can't just leave whenever you want. You can't give two weeks notice. And cause he's so used to saying 'yes sir' that it never really crossed his mind he could say no. Cause to a military man it's not an option.

I grew up hearing the same motto again and again. whenever I asked dad why he had to do something:

"Ours is not to question why, ours is but to do or die"

You wanna hate the government and the wars, go ahead. Some presidents (or in my case Prime Ministers) should be shot. It's the way of the world sometimes.

But please don't come into threads and try to disrespect the men and ladies who actually put their lives at risk for what the government has declared. Just because they blindly serve doesn't then mean that they are blind to what's going on.


Thank you.

as you can see my post count, i usually read the threads and not post...

after having the honor of serving my county (USA) for 8 years, also having served two tours in afganistan....i could no longer read this BS

most of you have missed the point of this thread, it is to Honor our Vets (thanks jack)

and to my fellow vets ignor the stupid people and remember that people like us and our four fathers fought for thier right to have opinions...

and to all the stupid people "your welcome"

Jack wrote:

Phlaminghoe wrote:

Jack wrote: but I do love the air force, and fighter pilots really are like heroes to me. But as I said, it's for personal reasons and has absolutely nothing to do with war.

I'm going into the Air Force, does that make me your hero to be?


*wants to fly F-16*

>.<

No, you have to actually become a pilot first


It's a long difficult road ahead of, though I'm sure you already know that. However I applaud you for being able to atleast take the first steps


However, you should know that the odds of you becoming an F-16 pilot are not very good, you're more likely to fly the PoS F-22


Yeah, that's right, I hate the F-22


But I'd still fly it given the chance

Actually I haven't really done any research. I just decided that I want to fly fighter planes

My dad told me they pay for your college, which is one reason I'm doing it. That's probably the only way I'll be able to afford college, unless I get a scholarship for soccer or academics(that one is doubtful, I'm not super amazing at school, just 93's across the board )

P.S. Any info you guys(ie. military folk ) can give me on careers paths in the USAF would be appreciated

You should ask Hensenshi, I believe he's USAF.

I enlisted today and I ship out Jan. 9th for Basic at Fort Sill Oklahoma

Can I be counted as a vet ? lol been in all the major wars etc etc..

even now

Angnoch wrote:I enlisted today and I ship out Jan. 9th for Basic at Fort Sill Oklahoma

grats man wat u enlist as?

Angnoch wrote:I enlisted today and I ship out Jan. 9th for Basic at Fort Sill Oklahoma

YOU FOOL! Shipping lobsters was your true calling!

Seriously though, good luck!