BETA UPDATES 2010

[Am Heh]

Yeah, i though i should attack, to make sure that it considered they needed repairs.

But now we know that whether at full strength of damaged, they go to 1 strength

I sold my weapons and brought the new ones, and this problem does not occur anymore

[Sarevok]

Hmm ok. Thanks Am Heh. I'll see what happens when i buy a single weapon, and add to my current ones.

[Sarevok]

Can confirm, weapon repair does work. One bug i noticed. The repair gives strength back to 5750 for defence, and 5760 for attack. But it seems weapon strength for defence weapons is now 5955. But it only repairs to the old 5750

[Feri]

any ME chasers in beta want this:

Defensive Action 104,424,418,611,000 Ranked: 5

Super Guards 256,074,815
Defending Mercenaries 72,906,541


look me up

(only thing i ask is you post your losses ect and how many turns you used, and naq used approx.
have no nox

also, im a bit unsure.

i tryed hitting my old officer (who hasent been my officer since before beta was opened)

i get this message:
Vacation is vacation. Officer are officers. Attacks are attacks. Do not mix the these ingredients...

is something stuck or something?
i set war with him aswel, but no such luck

sabbed you first because well.. with the new wep costs its a lot easier to find UU then it is to farm naq to buy weps...

cost me about 40m uu to sab you to 68T def... then another 40m or so att supers in losses with a 50T strike on you
and about 2k ish turns

Defence Super Soldiers Killed(100) 212,800,933
Spies Killed(50) 96,030,119

[wasmguy]

Nice effort Feri

Weapon Cost and Resale
All weapons are 10x the cost of previously (keep in mind att and def are 2x as strong though).
Also, def weapons can resell for 90% of their initial value, while attack weapons sell for just 10% of their initial value.
The logic here is that massing is costly if you want to 'hit then hide' while a good defense is always in demand.

How about, just reduce the cost of defense weapons compared to attack weapons. Then, people wont care so much about snipers.

What if the increase in cost for defense weapons is reduced to 5x rather than 10x (with strike weapons staying at 10x). This will allow for a cheaper defense and still keep the repairs for strike weapons higher for massing.

Also the resale value for the defense weapons is too high and should be brought back to the original 50%

[Sarevok]

What if the increase in cost for defense weapons is reduced to 5x rather than 10x (with strike weapons staying at 10x). This will allow for a cheaper defense and still keep the repairs for strike weapons higher for massing.

Also the resale value for the defense weapons is too high and should be brought back to the original 50%

I would say this, instead of the current updates, something like:

All attack weapons are 3x the cost of previously (keep in mind att and def are 2x as strong though).
Also, def weapons can resell for 90% of their initial value,Defence weapons sell for the same rate as previous, while attack weapons sell for just 10% of their initial value.
The logic here is that massing is costly if you want to 'hit then hide' (Sell your attack weapons to avoid sabotage), while a good defense is always in demand.

Bold is my addition, and strikethough is subtractions.

[Rottenking]

Thanks for that, interesting to know.

If anybody is willing to mass it without sabbing to compare I will go raiding again and build it again in a few days

how much ME do you estimate it gave you

any ME chasers in beta want this:

Defensive Action 104,424,418,611,000 Ranked: 5

Super Guards 256,074,815
Defending Mercenaries 72,906,541


look me up

(only thing i ask is you post your losses ect and how many turns you used, and naq used approx.
have no nox

also, im a bit unsure.

i tryed hitting my old officer (who hasent been my officer since before beta was opened)

i get this message:
Vacation is vacation. Officer are officers. Attacks are attacks. Do not mix the these ingredients...

is something stuck or something?
i set war with him aswel, but no such luck

sabbed you first because well.. with the new wep costs its a lot easier to find UU then it is to farm naq to buy weps...

cost me about 40m uu to sab you to 68T def... then another 40m or so att supers in losses with a 50T strike on you
and about 2k ish turns

Defence Super Soldiers Killed(100) 212,800,933
Spies Killed(50) 96,030,119

[MaxSterling]

...and weapons lasting longer.

This is really the only option to increase a defense's usefulness. Which is why my suggestion to tie weapon fatigue to realm alert would probably work the best.

Increasing costs hurts smaller players.

No matter what the power levels are, massing will not change unless the weapons last longer.

[Sarevok]

Must agree with you max. Do you think the additional strength will help them last longer? Or should that AND fatigue be used to make them much longer

[Tekki]

Admin has said that he won't make attack supers killable this time.

While the easiest way of making attack supers killable is to make supers androgynous this doesn't necessarily have to be the way it happens because as mentioned this would mean that when you mass someone you mass everything. Rather if there was another attack or something to kill attack supers WHEN a defense was down that would be a good way of keeping them separate - something along the lines of defense = 0, so you start killing both supers or something else. But since it's not going to happen... there's no point in speculating

[Sarevok]

Actually, the idea of massing a attack after defence wasn't like by Jason either. He's reasoning was that it would be alot harding to fight back, since not only has your defence been killed, but also your attack.

So best solution, is either force a defence on people, or allow us to attack attack units without the need to lower defence.

[TheRook]

so your telling me weapons cost 10x's the previous value...

10 mill defence weapons = 60 trillion? instead of 6 trillion

if so that bloody rediculous!
so your telling me weapons cost 10x's the previous value...

10 mill defence weapons = 60 trillion? instead of 6 trillion

if so that bloody rediculous!

when does the update come with gives everyone 10x's the income?

For the best part of the last year I have been ascending every two weeks... buying around 7.5mill attack weapons and 7.5mill defence weapons... this was less than 10 trillion naq... you honestly expect people to afford these weapon costs?

I earn (with all units in the mines) 40ish billion a turn... to afford the weapons for my next ascension I need another 50 days worth of full income to get into top 5 GnR range...

do you consider the rammifications of the changes?

How are new players supposed to afford these weapons also?

Is the next part of the update going to make it 5-10x's the cost to increase your unit production or...

when you log on you automatically lose everything you have gained since you last logged on... I think that would be a sensible addition


/walks off to accounts for sale forum

[GeneralChaos]

LOL im just gonna run with 0 defense after the update as i think most of the server will,

Say average at the moment is between 5 and 10 mill supers at a cost of 5,992,000 Naquadah per weapon

So

5,000,000 = 29,960,000,000,000

10,000,000 = 59,920,000,000,000

Now if you want to add mercs to this, double them costs,

Hell even if you want a small amount say 2mill, its going to cost you 12trill

Now take into account that you only need around 30-35% of said defense in attack to mass it,

Attack weapons

5,558,000 Naquadah each

5,000,000 = 27,790,000,000,000

You get the idea, its cheaper for them to attack yet again, ok the defense weapons got a little bit of a boost to strength, but this update just makes it that snipers will beable to do way more damage than they will ever receive and that is a complaint the community has had for along time, yet admin seems to have completely missed it again,

If this update goes ahead, you WILL see at least 85-95% of the server running with 0 defense, as no one is going to invest 30trill naq into something that takes 3 minutes to remove, with little to no costs to the attackers.

Defenders lose again,

Snipers win again,

Bravo.

[renegadze]

LOL im just gonna run with 0 defense after the update as i think most of the server will,

Say average at the moment is between 5 and 10 mill supers at a cost of 5,992,000 Naquadah per weapon

So

5,000,000 = 29,960,000,000,000

10,000,000 = 59,920,000,000,000

Now if you want to add mercs to this, double them costs,

Hell even if you want a small amount say 2mill, its going to cost you 12trill

Now take into account that you only need around 30-35% of said defense in attack to mass it,

Attack weapons

5,558,000 Naquadah each

5,000,000 = 27,790,000,000,000

You get the idea, its cheaper for them to attack yet again, ok the defense weapons got a little bit of a boost to strength, but this update just makes it that snipers will beable to do way more damage than they will ever receive and that is a complaint the community has had for along time, yet admin seems to have completely missed it again,

If this update goes ahead, you WILL see at least 85-95% of the server running with 0 defense, as no one is going to invest 30trill naq into something that takes 3 minutes to remove, with little to no costs to the attackers.

Defenders lose again,

Snipers win again,

Bravo.

Not to mention, how are new players to the game every supposed to afford them

EDIT: Have I missed something of is the games potentially biggest exploit?

Say I know update is going to happen on wednesday next week (btw I don't lol) why wouldn't I then PPT on tuesday, dump 100tril naq into defence weapons...wait for update then sell my nice new shiney weapons for almost 10times the price I brought them for? lol

1 Quad naq sounds nice to me (was wondering how I was going to pay for the next few spy levels )

[Calibretto]

...a worthless update....