Ragnarök : DDE & Allies vs Terran Family

[Mathlord]

You realize your scripting accusations are the most flattering things you folks have ever said about me in this game. Please keep them up

If you can't handle fast gameplay, try farmville. I reckon that'll be much more your speed.

[Osiris™]

You realize your scripting accusations are the most flattering things you folks have ever said about me in this game. Please keep them up

If you can't handle fast gameplay, try farmville. I reckon that'll be much more your speed.

worst crap ive heard! we both know i have 0/ed you in an onliner and not just once! what im saying is that, that it isnt possible to pull out naq so fast to be able to repair while somone is speeeeed massing you with war:war on. It can not be done my friend. But whats the point of even mentioning this as you will never admitt it anywya that you are scripting. Hope jules pulls the **Filtered** out of her ass and check you out:)

[Mathlord]

Just because you are not capable (and clearly you are not when I have the upper hand in an onliner and am massing you) doesn't mean it isn't possible.

I would say you would know this, but your ego is SO huge that if you can't do it, you are convinced it must be cheating. Shame.

The bigger shame is that this is all probably a smoke screen to cover DDE's own nefarious activities. Now any cheating accusations during this war seem like he said/she said garbage meaning people can do whatever they want and, judging by some of your accounts and from what ex-members like Nostra told us on the way out, many people do.

It's amazing how much we learn about ways to cheat from DDE accusations. DDE taught the game about the evil threat of C4C on ascended and they teach the game about the evil threat of raiding/farming/massing/repairing scripts. At some point, everyone will have to wonder why they seem to know so much more about these things than everyone else...

[reborn]

C4C was reported by me

I am p/much the only one that plays ascended in DDE, Sol has the things I do believe to show there I use IE 99% of the time as my normal login.

Now for were it came from that's simple Duderanch was one that told me about TAF using it before for their log watching.

Was simple after months of logs trying to work out how from training up was jumped on over a dozen ppl recording these logs within 30 seconds to 2 mins every time.

Stratigize was an easy to spot, wait till he was farming on QW then train up, 30 seconds later hes stopped farming on QW and Hunting assassins on ascend, this happened on 5 different times.

Now this can also be done on TOR too, u know that thing Unster like to beat on about he doesn't cheat because he uses that, its also Mozilla based that's what C4C runs off.

Now with all that said its very easy when someone says all they use like Unster did was a "refresher addon"

Goggle that "refresher addon with alarm" and get what comes up......................

I have given sol dozens of ways to try and fix it or semi fix it, which I get a reply "it is fixed" for months and its me that goes back time and time again to him telling him its not, because I did download Mozilla to look for myself so I can see when he says its fix , I can clearly see its not.

[Mathlord]

Oh so you downloaded it and are using it? Is that what you are suggesting?

Or are you suggesting that because you keep getting caught by our ascended watchers that we must still be cheating?

That's the whole argument though, isn't it Reborn? If TAF doesn't catch you, TAF sucks and you are victorious. If TAF does catch you then we must be cheating.

You know we could just as easily ask you why you untrain within a few seconds of getting spied. How things go: you train up - we notice you trained up - we spy - you notice we spied - you untrain.

If you are perfectly capable of noticing a change in activity against your account, we are just as perfectly capable of noticing you change rankings. That's the thing about ascended you realize. You change rankings almost immediately after building something. It kinda helps such things, especially when, as you say, you are pretty much the only DDE player that plays ascended and thus the only person that we really have to worry about.

So I guess this is the real summary. If TAF doesn't catch you, then you are awesome and we suck. If TAF does catch you, then we are cheaters. If you notice we caught you super quickly or if you catch one of our people farming (as you often brag about) then you are just super skilled doing things that TAF clearly is incapable of doing without cheating. That pretty much covers your argument right Reborn? Give me a break...

[reborn]

The difference with me noticing things happening to my account is because im online in fact playing it at the time doing stuff.
Now what your trying to say it all these ppl that i have pointed out as well as others on the same ppl all just happen to be refreshing all these ppl all the time not doing anything but that and when these account's do happen to change rank they know because they just happen to be sat there refreshing for the last 6 hrs on them.......................ok then Math thats seems very logical.

Easy why I untrain within seconds of being spied because im doing nothing but watching logs.

Ive shown time and time again with logs were u just trained a few mil planets and just watched logs to see how fast I was spied, so did others.

How about today
first hit after training
02:36 Attack 480,311,226,788,600 Dark Matter Units taken

02:36 ????? Recon ?????? ??? No Details

oh hiya muti

02:37 Angel Hunt Assassins 80,452,759 UnSpoken Planets Eliminated

w8 did he take my DMU first.........................hmm nope so lets see how many attacks did he get in before I noticed...................hmm

02:38 Angel Hunt Assassins 19,407,248 UnSpoken Planets Eliminated 15 140,437 346,104 3,646,222,367,599,620 15,052,456,328,880,000 details
02:38 Angel Hunt Assassins 56,875,745 UnSpoken Planets Eliminated 15 150,534 326,028 3,871,447,508,541,600 14,910,229,700,880,000 details
02:37 Angel Hunt Assassins 42,774,857 UnSpoken Planets Eliminated 15 163,484 302,888 3,924,392,334,141,960 13,916,885,976,264,000 details
02:37 Angel Hunt Assassins 53,987,437 UnSpoken Planets Eliminated 15 165,260 302,283 4,164,041,716,558,515 14,608,036,106,880,000 details
02:37 Angel Hunt Assassins 80,452,759 UnSpoken Planets Eliminated 15 174,005 289,503 4,336,218,411,494,400 14,447,560,586,880,000

I do believe that's 4 hits that's 15 seconds between each hit so that's 60 seconds right? wow I am online farming and hmm I just happen to repair after 60 seconds yeah that seems very logical.


here is just a little convos over last few months going all way back from the first spot of over a year ago, all those attacks was within 30 seconds to 2 mins of starting. [21/04/2015 20:15:15] josh: im just watching how fast i still get spied
[21/04/2015 20:15:17] Jake/Tees: on main
[21/04/2015 20:15:21] josh: 12:12 ????? Recon ?????? ??? No Details
[21/04/2015 20:15:27] josh: rather fast it still seems

Just to show u not only me that was watching and doing same things

goign to try an change rank see how fast i get a spy
[06/04/2015 20:10:21] josh: 11:59 ????? Recon ?????? ??? No Details
11:48 ????? Recon ?????? ??? No Details
[06/04/2015 20:10:44] josh: when it updates
[06/04/2015 20:11:08] josh: from now , shall see
[06/04/2015 20:15:41] Ben Kikaz: 12:04 ????? Recon ?????? ??? No Details
10:23 ????? Recon ?????? ??? No Details
10:05 ????? Recon ?????? ??? No Details
Apr 04, 09:36 ????? Recon ?????? ??? No Details
Apr 04, 07:22 ????? Recon ?????? ??? No Details
Apr 03, 18:52 ?????
[06/04/2015 20:15:50] Ben Kikaz: Everytime I feed

[3:37:21 PM] josh: lets see hwo fast i get spied
[02/05/2015 15:42:36] josh: 07:40 ????? Recon ?????? ??? No Details
07:39 ????? Recon ?????? ??? No Details
07:38 ????? Recon ?????? ??? No Details
[02/05/2015 15:42:43] josh: i would say pretty fast
[02/05/2015 15:43:03] Method Man: lol
[02/05/2015 15:43:38] Duderanch: -_-
[02/05/2015 15:43:47] josh: idd tis **Filtered** b/s I would dig more for everyone that was watching but really I got better things to do with my time.
[spoiler]04:50 The Unsterblich Attack 965,650,158,103,541 Dark Matter Units lost 15
[15/05/2015 12:52:41] robert: 04:49 *NowYouSeeMe Attack 328,726,972,261,000 Dark Matter Units taken
[15/05/2015 12:52:55 | Edited 12:53:04] robert: i started farm here lol

23rd March from my account
09:40 The Unsterblich Attack 1,676,348,220,713,686 Dark Matter Units lost 15

From my account
May 24, 02:17 RepliNorbe Attack 2,294,818,410,230,000 Dark Matter Units lost


21st March From teesdale
11:29 The Unsterblich Attack 12,031,776,706,329,740 Dark Matter Units lost


Stratigize 4 quad from Duderanch same day

ready?
[31/05/2014 18:58:45] Fraser Moore: yea
[31/05/2014 18:59:02] Josh: 58 can go
[31/05/2014 18:59:16] Fraser Moore: go
[31/05/2014 18:59:30] Fraser Moore: remind me set war next time
[31/05/2014 18:59:54] Fraser Moore: 10:59 _Unsterblich_ Attack 0 Dark Matter Units lost 15 30,560 182,909 1,110,838,883,390,000 27,406,273,899,800,000 details
10:59 Reborn[/spoiler]
Now as ive showed before and explained to even Am heh and showed him dozens of logs himself, whenever I was farming and Unster just happen to jump on me right away because he was "looking"
EVERY single time he would take DMU first , this is while im online farming............. ofc I am going to notice I am not blind.

Now when Tallaok has hit me he didn't take my DMU and just hunted he was hunting me for over 2 mins before I noticed when I went to repair my weapons.

Call it how you want I have already said enough times for Sol to give out any of my logs how fast I untrain from being hit, how fast I farm or anything even how I train my c/s because that's not exact numbers that's either 1111111111111111111's 2222222222222222'2 of numbers like that for w/e fits in.

As for your comment about me using C4C read again as that's mozzlia based read what I said I use IE 99% of all the time and I am on ascended a hell of a lot so that comes down to maybe 5 mins in a month.

[KOS]

didnt read a damn thing lol, just popped in to say hello to those that still like me still not playing and its still for sale (not on market) ask if interested. have fun killing each other on the other hand! i hope the attitudes have chilled out and people being friendly to each other, since it is just a game, even though you may put in 80 hrs a week on it really though, best wishes to all!

[Mathlord]

You said you knew that C4C wasn't fixed because you downloaded firefox. Now just because C4C is still an addon to firefox doesn't mean people use it or it works on ascended. So in order for you to be convinced that C4C still works on ascended, you'd have to do one of two things:

1. Have downloaded the C4C add-on and successfully used it while playing ascended.

2. Still be under the misguided assumption that the only way you can be caught training up is if we were using that add-on.

Number 2 is just flawed speculation on your part. Number 1 would be reason to think it's still broken and really is the only reason you'd know for sure if Sol fixed something or not. In which case, why exactly are you using the thing you are calling us cheaters because you think we use?

Now for the rest of your stuff. I see evidence of people watching your account. Because that's what we do. We've seen you untrain plenty of times between our recon and your first attack. Sure you have an example where you untrained five attacks later. Nobody is infallible. Sometimes you have to go to the loo. I imagine you've also seen plenty of times where we don't catch you training up. Oh right of course, in Reborn's eyes that's just because we turned our scripts off for awhile. Fact is, we have people that play ascended in every time zone. If we used such techniques to the extent that you are convinced we do, then you'd never be able to farm and never able to build a command star, which we both know you do quite frequently. If you don't like people interrupting your gameplay, maybe try a single player game.

Now you said this:

Easy why I untrain within seconds of being spied because im doing nothing but watching logs.

So in other words, you are perfectly capable of sitting there refreshing your intel reports page looking for you getting reconned while you are online. So do enlighten me why our people who are also online can't be refreshing your stats page or the battlefield page waiting for changes in rank by you or your fellow DDE players and then acting upon those changes when there is finally something to do up there? Or are you just suggesting that nobody other than you would be so bored and void of life as to refresh a page over and over again?

[R0B3RT]

lol cheater talk this days i wonder why admin not watch logs is easy to see what are doing there

[reborn]

This aint 4-5 ppl watching just me and happening just to me.

This is 4-5 ppl doing it to over 10 accounts all the time.

Now I can fully understand ppl watching accounts, its not unheard off , it can happen, but all those accounts and always within a certain time frame moments after they have trained.

As I said before was easy to spot Stratigize we waited till we saw him farming on QW then trained planets on ascended and watched him instant swap from one server were he is farming to another server and start hunting.

But explain this one if u can, i am sure u can u can explain everything away because talking to u is like talking to a brick.

Farming for 30 mins without training a planet and being left alone, then training planets and getting spied, were was those watches then? I mean my covert was low enough for them to see my DMU out so surely if they was watching me as u put it they would of seen I was online farming.

But w8 no this aint just me that's done it its almost a dozen others all done it when I noticed away around the abuse of C4C being used on us, and all said the same they could farm in peace but as soon as they trained planets they was spied.

Coincidence I think not, not with over 2 dozen logs all saying same thing.

[Mathlord]

But wait reborn that doesn't make sense. C4C apparently notifies if there's a difference in any stat on a page right? I mean that's why you are saying we are using it to catch you changing ranks. If we could see your dmu (and not just ???) wouldn't C4C automatically tell us your dmu levels were changing? See that sounds to me like whoever was watching you was watching the rankings page looking for people to jump up higher. You and I both know dmu is hard to see on ascended so if you were just farming without training up then yeah you probably didn't change ranks and nobody noticed.

If you train up stats to farm, it's super easy to end up in really nice ranks. Whoever it is on your side that is doing the training, you'll still show up in the same place. It's not like you are hiding in the low ranks with your big covert/assassin/nonzero strike and def.

I guess I don't get your point. Your only reasoning is that you can't fathom we are capable of doing the exact same things you do without us being cheaters. Which means one of two things. Either
(a) you are winy little baby with a huge ego that can't fathom being beaten in this game
or
(b) the only way you know how to do the things you do (and claim we do) is if you cheat and thus think that we must be cheating too

As I've always said reborn, you've known way more about all of these ways to cheat than any of us ever did. It's amazing how much knowledge you have about cheating. One wonders...

[R0B3RT]

wouldn't C4C automatically tell us your dmu levels were changing?

lol some stupid admin decided to change rank instant not wait turn change in ascend
c4c no need see more ,a rank change order to script to spy

u use same toy in main ? because i noticed iff i untrain 2 mil uu i get instant raid
same **Filtered** with naq

shame admin can.t block c4c but why not ban who use it ? bah

[reborn]

Surprised aving to tell u Math was its widely used in TAF and use to be on main but as was for log watching I guess maybe u don't understand.

1. U can set it to any line u want an update.
2. That doesn't mean set it to rank as that can change a lot and as I use to play around so much with changing ranks and getting spied, so of u in TAF changed it to another line.
3. That line was then planets were if u can see that planet number then " this person happens to train up" that means?? Come on math surely ur not that thick.............................. that's right there is a change so you get a spy report.
4. Dmu is not hard to see, if u really do believe that then either your thick again , playing dumb or really have no idea about ascended.
5. Planet count again is easy to see.

And no I don't think all of u r cheats just some of u, ppl that I might not get along with or they not get along with me but I know aint cheat , just a few brief names

Am heh, Talloak, Hokie, ASJ, Never even seen u doing it on ascended either Math but then again u not play it much. There is a few more I don't think as I said its only a certain few but with so many reports from so many different ppl all saying the same thing, and when I tell them away around it when they have changed the C4C line, its amazing how the jumping on someone stops.

What's so funny is some of the ones I talk too in TAF think the same as us and have even offered ways to try and get it stop.......but u rather protest against it when even some of your own Members think otherwise.

[~Dä Vinci~]

My god this thread is still going and full of crap lol

[Mathlord]

Wait again I don't get it...so C4C only works on a specific value on a webpage? As in you have to pick whether it will check your army size or rank or dmu out but it can only do the one thing?

You are also claiming that only 4 people or so are cheating this way which I reckon would imply that one person is generally doing it at a time. So are you suggesting that our evil cheater has a ton of tabs open each running a separate version of this add-on to watch, apparently, the plethora of accounts that you all apparently have caught us cheating with, then they rapidly cycle through their huge ass number of tabs to find the one that changed and then spy your guy? Sheesh wouldn't it be a lot easier to just refresh the battlefield page that blatantly changes without any dinging the second you build bigger stats? You know, using an auto refresh that has been legally allowed in the game for years, approved by Sol and Juliette and used by log watchers in just about every alliance ingame?

I really don't understand why this is so hard for you to figure out Reborn. I mean I get that you don't like to get massed. I get that it's much easier for you to convince yourself that we are a bunch of cheaters and I get that it's better publicity for DDE to try desperately to find some kind of moral high ground despite being the lowest of the low in this game.

Just look at your posts. Really objectively look at them. They are these meandering walls of half-arguments and accusations that you have cobbled together to convince yourself that your enemies are cheaters because clearly that is the only way they could be better than you. I cannot fathom an existence so consumed with this kind of desperation.