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Ashu wrote:So if we DO hit you its still not ok because you're loosing stuff? OK, my bad.
Also, don't claim ignorance then point the finger. In fact, don't point the finger at all, i doubt OE and even you ETL are without flaw!

Do you even know your history between Omega and the EPA? Always amusing when ignorant people post.

And as for respect, the EPA deserve none! And if you don't know why...well not my problem.

As i said, explain to the "ignorant" or sthu, don't pin on yourself the badge of superiority while side-tracking to your off-shot of a story.Unless you are without flaw, i advise you not to cast a stone.

Ashu, I suggest you come talk to me as your Mistress and I will explain the history of the alliance you have attached yourself too. Not the history they are telling you but the history of one who was supposedly their friend. I will also give you what I know about the longer term history between Omega and EPA, the first wars, their removal from (I believe) the Grand Alliance, their actions towards other alliances, their disbanding and their re-formation and their actions before, and after joining the Server War.

I've obviously been remiss in my duties as your Mistress not to have done so already but your words here basically show you have no idea what you are going on about.

I'm sure various members of EPA are your friends, but those friends have one point of view and it's important to see and hear both sides. I and a few others represent that other side, the side EPA don't want to remember because it stains their honour so badly.

Wow just wow. And I'm called deluded?

Everything is true from a certain point of view BMMJ, and from my point of view and experience, it is true that EPA are a dishonourable alliance who betray allies. We’ve been over this, many times and nothing you can say changes what happened.

man i just love it how tekki just comes in an post's something, real smooth an calm, after a few people post something that sounds like their yelling at each other.

Tekki wrote:Everything is true from a certain point of view BMMJ, and from my point of view and experience, it is true that EPA are a dishonourable alliance who betray allies. We’ve been over this, many times and nothing you can say changes what happened.

EPA's history is common knowledge thanks to Wolf. There was a choice made at two points in the past, to choose one ally over another. You seem to forget how first we left TA to go with Omega and friends, yet love to bring up when we went back. And once again, I state, how many of those original people are still in EPA? I fail to see how your twisting of the past and insistence on keeping grudges against an alliance that was kicked from your group and wanted revenge for it. You are doing the exact same thing, yet how many years after the fact? Nothing you can say changes what happened and no amount of weighted words will change the facts of the matter.

Actually BMMJ, while it's true that there were things happening in the Grand Alliance and they are of interest only to those who really have a great and long memory, the betrayal I experienced with EPA had absolutely nothing to do with the Omegan Empire, DDE, DD, FUALL or COP.

I can give details of the Grand Alliance events because I've asked but what I would speak of to my underling Ashu is not those events, merely because they are so far in the game past and I did not experience them first hand. Instead I would speak to him of my personal experiences with EPA, which are more recent yet still show the same history of betrayal. Agreements and pacts were made that the EPA then chose not to honour.

While I admit that the leader of EPA at the time is not playing, that doesn't negate the fact that he was the leader of the EPA and made arrangements and agreements and renigged upon them, thus tarnishing the supposed good name and honour of the EPA. Until such time as he or the leadership of the EPA publically apologises, then my grudge as you put it, remains... I was the leader of the main allaince the EPA's actions betrayed and as such the EPA name remains one of dubious report to me and to the members of my allaince at that time. What bothers me is that this particular EPA leader did not do this once, but twice, once before the disbandment and one after the current reformation. Though in the time after, it was something slightly different.

Now if you, as the current EPA Leader, are volunteering to apologise for EPA's actions in the past, to attempt to restore their honour in the eyes of those they betrayed, I'll provide further details to you so that nothing is missed, though I would move that conversation into private as it's tedious and not really part of this war thread.

All of the long term alliances ingame have let people down and have no doubt gone against some they would have had as friends at one point or another, just that most of them admit their past mistakes and don't try to believe that they have always been honourable because in my personal experience the EPA is anything but honourable.

Let's get back to business shall we? And Tekki eventhough you are a leader of an opposite alliance, and member of fuall, which i hate since the time i started playing this game, u are good, peeps like you make this game interesting. ETL-------->

each side has there own slant to an argument, i fought against tekki and her allies for years in the server war and my slant was from the TAF angle with most of the reasons behind said conflict not available to me so instead of ramming each others versions down each others throats use your motherships instead as both sides will never agree to causes of the current conflict

I believe you know my position on apologies for things that do not deserve one. EPA hasn't always been honorable, but as long as I have been in it we have, never going against any allies. Whatever "betrayal" you are talking about, neither myself or a former leader I was talking to have any idea what you are talking about. You seem to preach knowing a lot about EPA, for focusing on a single event which isn't even worth mentioning or even happened the way you say in the past of EPA. Now, am I to assume that all of OE are involving themselves in this war or is your history lesson part of Omega's new policy to bring up years past to hide the current situation, with you leading the discussion in a war you are not even involved with?

I do not think you are very honorable BMMJ, I think if you were you would take measures to improve the quality of your alliance, both in appearance and membership..you make stands against whatever just because the game wont allow you to actually "lose" but in reality the state of your alliance says you lose. Now I do not mean this as an insult but it seems to me that as a leader you ought to do whats best to make things better for your country (alliance) even it it means being "humbled".

Jedi~Tank wrote:I do not think you are very honorable BMMJ, I think if you were you would take measures to improve the quality of your alliance, both in appearance and membership..you make stands against whatever just because the game wont allow you to actually "lose" but in reality the state of your alliance says you lose. Now I do not mean this as an insult but it seems to me that as a leader you ought to do whats best to make things better for your country (alliance) even it it means being "humbled".

While I understand what you mean, I do not think EPA nor myself are not honorable. EPA has not been a major player lately, mainly due to our members idea of this game being casual and we play for fun, unlike some who can afford to put a lot more into the game, both time and money. We understand that those who have more put into the game, will be able to do more with they have. The game doesn't allow any singular group to win or lose unless they chose to, EPA just goes about this by "punishing" those who think they can do what they want and push smaller alliances around. We do not seek out war, nor do we provoke it, but we will happily answer the call. If there was ever a point where I would need to be humbled to help my alliance I would do so, however currently there is no need, nor do I foresee it in the future. I have already done so in the past, so it is not that big of a stretch. With that said, nothing will change as long as others do not allow it to change. EPA will not apologize for something that is as much of the other parties fault as our own, nor will we surrender in a war we did not declare, though we are happy to continue making profits farming you and taking your planets one by one.

Just this week, 4 duals were taken off of OE. You may say that's no big deal in the long run, and it very well may not be, but you will continue to lose as you are too stubborn to admit you are wrong and want to continue to "sit" on us, while we grow, ascend and farm, and you just sit there and lose.

I wont start spamming this thread because obviously this is not my business to be here, so I would conclude with this..IF you are making all that NAQ by farming it is not showing up anywhere, and the planets I do not think are actually costing anyone anything on a large scale. If its a statement then its admirable, but the resistance is non existent, the fallout from your "stand" is more to do with you than us. I could go on here but I think further discussions which we can have as leaders should be done on msn or pm. G'day

BMMJ, just because you and none of the former leaders admit the betrayal in public doesn't mean it didn't happen. I suppose though if the one in question hasn't bothered to tell you I come to one of two conclusions - 1, you've never asked or 2, they are a liar. Either reason works for me because he admitted to me that he did lie about a few things. The fact that I was an enemy obviously made it not as important to keep his word to me.

As for whatever it was you are babbling about the Empire and us all being involved in this war, yeah whatever. You keep saying 'we are all pushing in' or things to that effect. You want so badly for us all to be involved I know and while the flattery and your desire for it to happen is nice, you are not worth my or the Empires time. Omega Alliance is playing with you in so far as they care to. Take that as your recognition but you aren't worth the whole Empire's recognition. EPA has fallen too far for you to be acknowledged by the whole Empire, despite your ardent desire for it to be otherwise.

I'll make you a deal though - when Omega Alliance consider you such a threat that the rest of the Empire should become involved, then we will. Until that happens, you can save both yours and my time and stop making insinuations.

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