Did Spacey call me a woman?

[Spacey]

knowing spacey he was trying to be witty... sorry spacey, but I have to go with ero'sore here.

You don't need to apologize for anything. You have stated your opinion. That is nothing to be sorry for.

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I was writing it as ombudsman/woman to be politically correct. Like it's written s/he, him/her, etc. Eros did comment that it wasn't needed, and I said it was to cover future positions and was not specific to anyone person.

I don't understand why that is difficult for some people to believe. Similar terms exist for firewoman, or policewoman. I tried explaining that to Eros' but he said he didn't care. He said he only cared about the first post that he read from me.

Here is our latest msn convo. I didn't get to fully read what was included in the other spoiler so this might have been there.
[spoiler]Never give out your password or credit card number in an instant message conversation.

K - Spacey says:
I am back
K - Spacey says:
are you there?
K - Spacey says:
the first thing you had mentioned was that I called you a woman
K - Spacey says:
I in fact did not
K - Spacey says:
I said "
it is a stipulation to cover any future people who may hold the position. It is not specific to any one person. Hopefully we'll not be editing forum rules each month."
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
im here
K - Spacey says:
ok
K - Spacey says:
you had said:
K - Spacey says:
"The term ombudswoman does not exist. Just like firewoman or policewoman does not exist. If there should ever be a woman, then this matter should be discussed, but for now, it would only lead to confusion."
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
no
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
u said
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
Ero`Sore wrote:

1) Do not publicly argue if you have a problem with a moderator. Contact your ombudsman/woman.


Better, I think.
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
sure u said that later
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
but not in the same post
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
u said that after u noticed i caught on to it and then tried to get a scapegoat
K - Spacey says:
no, that isn't true
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
thats how im interpreting it
K - Spacey says:
you are correct in the first part of what you said
K - Spacey says:
my first post is what you quoted
K - Spacey says:
I replied to what you said by saying "it is a stipulation to cover any future people who may hold the position. It is not specific to any one person. Hopefully we'll not be editing forum rules each month."
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
thats how i have and will continue to interpret it. i have been offended
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
you replied later to try to cover your tracks
K - Spacey says:
I was describing what I meant
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
if you said it in the first post, it would have been okay
K - Spacey says:
I have nothing to cover
K - Spacey says:
I was describing what I meant
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
but the way you said it in the first post seems to imply what i believe
K - Spacey says:
no, I used "/" for a specific purpose
K - Spacey says:
like s/he is used
K - Spacey says:
in some text
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
you cant trick me mate.. save your time for others if its ever brought up in public
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
lets move on to the next issue
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
you shooting down everything i say
K - Spacey says:
this isn't finished
I'm not trying to trick you
K - Spacey says:
I described what I meant in reply to what you said
K - Spacey says:
"
it is a stipulation to cover any future people who may hold the position. It is not specific to any one person. Hopefully we'll not be editing forum rules each month."
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
yes in a reply
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
as a coverup
K - Spacey says:
I say what I said is not specific to any one person, and to cover future people
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
yeah u said that LATER
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
after u called me a woman
K - Spacey says:
I also said "Zeratul wrote:
maybe have it as "contact ombudsperson, said mod, other mod, or an admin"?

sounds better."
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
its not about what you said after
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
its about what you said then
K - Spacey says:
you are ignoring one part of what I said
K - Spacey says:
"ombudsman/woman."
K - Spacey says:
I say man and woman
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
that part was not in the post i read, therefore the future post is simply a cover
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
just like what happened with the pope and the muslims
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
he tried covering up what he said later
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
but noone bought it
K - Spacey says:
I think we need a mediator
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
no we dont
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
i know what ur trying to say
K - Spacey says:
no, we're not on the same page
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
u just cant comprehend that i dont care about anything u said after this post:

Ero`Sore wrote:

1) Do not publicly argue if you have a problem with a moderator. Contact your ombudsman/woman.


Better, I think.
K - Spacey says:
I think if we had a mediator it would be better
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
I DONT CARE ABOUT ANY OTHER REPLIES which were used to explain the above post
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
i only care about:
Ero`Sore wrote:

1) Do not publicly argue if you have a problem with a moderator. Contact your ombudsman/woman.


Better, I think.
K - Spacey says:
ok, let's look at that one post
K - Spacey says:
I say "ombudsman/woman"
K - Spacey says:
the slash seperates man from woman
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
u wanna ask the community if they agree with me?
K - Spacey says:
you can if you want to
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
that u called me a woman
K - Spacey says:
if that's what you want to do, then do it
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
i already believe u did
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
if u want to disprove it then the community is your only way
K - Spacey says:
no, I don't think so
if you want to ask the community what they think include the whole thread and ask about that part
K - Spacey says:
give them the whole picture and ask them about it
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
okay picture this
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
its Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:21 am now
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
you are me
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
you go to the mod forums and you see a reply to your suggestion saying:
Ero`Sore wrote:

1) Do not publicly argue if you have a problem with a moderator. Contact your ombudsman/woman.


Better, I think.
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
there are no other posts
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
at 2:21 when i read that i interpreted it that you called me a woman
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
2:05 hours later you attempt to clarify it, but when i read it at 2:21 i didnt see that
K - Spacey says:
hod on
K - Spacey says:
the time you have are not the same as what I see
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
therefore i implied that you called me a woman. if u said it is a stipulation to cover any future people who may hold the position. It is not specific to any one person. Hopefully we'll not be editing forum rules each month.

at 2:21, things would be different
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
it doesnt matter its the same difference
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
when i read your first post there was no second
K - Spacey says:
I need to know what posts you are reffering to
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
1) Do not publicly argue if you have a problem with a moderator. Contact your ombudsman/woman.


Better, I think.
K - Spacey says:
yes, you read that and there we no other posts
K - Spacey says:
you then posted
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
correct
K - Spacey says:
then zeratul
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
no
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
dont go further in the future
K - Spacey says:
why not?
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
because at the exact time i read that and replied, your post called me a woman
K - Spacey says:
no, i didn;t
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
did u put yourself in my shoes?
K - Spacey says:
what I wrote was an alternate to saying ombudsman or ombudswoman
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
exacly
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
there is only a MAN
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
and u said man/woman
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
meaning im like a man/woman
K - Spacey says:
1) Do not publicly argue if you have a problem with a moderator. Contact your ombudsman or ombudswoman.
K - Spacey says:
that is the alternate to what I said
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
no
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
u said Contact your ombudsman/woman.
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
man/woman
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
u called me a dike
K - Spacey says:
man is a part of the word
K - Spacey says:
ombudsman
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
so is woman
K - Spacey says:
the same as firewoman
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
i am not a man/woman
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
thanks
K - Spacey says:
policewoman
K - Spacey says:
or policeman
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
there is no such thing as firewoman/policewoman
K - Spacey says:
http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_70170 ... woman.html
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
women who are in the police are called police officers, not policemen nor policewomen
K - Spacey says:
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&clien ... n&ct=title
K - Spacey says:
the word exists and it is documented
K - Spacey says:
I did not make up encarta
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
it is never used, it only exists to clarify confusion
K - Spacey says:
or google
K - Spacey says:
it is used
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
just like stupid words are added in the dictonary every year
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
to clarify
K - Spacey says:
how would people know it exists?
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
whatever ur going off topic
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
u called me a man/woman
K - Spacey says:
no, your arguement is that the word ombudswoman doesn't exist like firewoman
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
at the time i read it, you did not clarify on it
K - Spacey says:
I am showing you that it does
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
so ive been offended, i dont care about anything u have to say later. its just like i call you a faggot now, and 2 hours later i say i didnt mean it
K - Spacey says:
what I first posted covered the position not the person
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
i INTERPRETED it that you covered the person
K - Spacey says:
you responded to that I I described what I meant
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
and its my opinion
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
yours might be different i dont care
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
but im sure that if we poll the community, most will see it like i did
K - Spacey says:
then ask the community
K - Spacey says:
give them the thread
K - Spacey says:
the entire thread
K - Spacey says:
and ask them what they think
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
dude u dont get it
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
at 2:24 when i read your post
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
it wasnt the entire thread
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
it was just your first post
K - Spacey says:
ero, there obviously was some confusion with what I wrote
K - Spacey says:
I described what i menat in a later post due to that confusion
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
yes in a later post dude
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
after i had already been offended
K - Spacey says:
how would i know there was confusion if you did not or someone else post to it?
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
i believe you did know and wrote that on purpase
K - Spacey says:
We don't even know each other. Why would I call you a woman
K - Spacey says:
?
K - Spacey says:
What reason would I have to insult you?
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
cause u dont like me
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
i dont know why that is
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
but youve made it obvious by calling me a woman and also shutting down every thing ive said
K - Spacey says:
I don;t know you... how can I not like you or like you?
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
thats what i wanna know. whats ur problem with me
K - Spacey says:
we're not on the topic on the respect group yet
K - Spacey says:
please do make a thread about this asking the community
K - Spacey says:
or at least ask the mods
K - Spacey says:
or something
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
i am now
K - Spacey says:
we're not getting anywhere with this
K - Spacey says:
include the whole thread
K - Spacey says:
give them the entire picture please
K - Spacey says:
not segments
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
i am going to post EXACLY what i saw at 2:20
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
the exact time i got offended at
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
there were no explanations then
K - Spacey says:
I think this can be solved without going to the community, but you don't want to have a mediator
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
u said u want it to go to the community
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
so the community will be our mediator
K - Spacey says:
I said that as a final option
K - Spacey says:
in this msn convo
K - Spacey says:
i suggested a mediator first
K - Spacey says:
you said no
K - Spacey says:
you only suggested asking the community
K - Spacey says:
if that is what you want, then do it
K - Spacey says:
that is what I am saying
K - Spacey says:
becasue we are not getting anywhere on this
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
you never said final option
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/522/spaceyyz0.png
K - Spacey says:
I didn't but you don't like my other idea, I am comprimising with you
K - Spacey says:
is that as big as it will be
K - Spacey says:
some might have a hard time reading it
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
biggest screenshot i could get
K - Spacey says:
should I post this msn conversation then, or will you do it?
K - Spacey says:
maybe split ou the posts?
K - Spacey says:
you don't need to have you sig as part of it, right?
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
i cant cut it out of the screenshot
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
but i stretched the SS so its better now
K - Spacey says:
one minute
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
holdon it got messed up
K - Spacey sends:


K - Spacey sends:


K - Spacey says:
what do you think?
K - Spacey says:
are you there/
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
im not accepting those
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
probably a virus
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
ive added a link to a big picture
K - Spacey says:
they are jpeg's
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
your faith is now in the hands of the community
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
i tried being nice
K - Spacey says:
are you posting this msn conversation or should I?
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
go ahead
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
post the previous one too
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
where i went crazy
K - Spacey says:
as you said you're not accepting the images, I'm cancelling them now
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
feel free to post them yourself
K - Spacey says:
they are the same thing as what you had, no point in posting it twice
K - Spacey says:
shall we wait on the community verdict to continue conversation? or continue now?

keep in mind I missed lunch, running around in some meetings and such
K - Spacey says:
and didn;t have dinner yet either
K - Spacey says:
7:04 now for me
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
yes
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
afterwhich we can talk on why u hate me
K - Spacey says:
yes we wait, or yes we continue now?
K - Spacey says:
you need to clarify
Ombudsman Ero`Sore Ombudsman says:
yes we wait
K - Spacey says:
ok
K - Spacey says:
I'll post the msn convo when I get home
K - Spacey says:
ciao[/spoiler]

Why would I cal him a woman? I don't even know him. How could I have a gripe with him? It doesn't make sense, but mass away.

Killa,
I am a mod that isn't tied to the account: I'm not hurt if you destroy my account.

Other mods/users:
I'd ask that you not get involved. Thank you for your support. It means a lot, but this is very silly to get into a war for... too silly for someone who was being politically correct.

[Ero`Sore]

Note to everyone: Mistake is not a moderator. Spacey did not hit DHM back. Therefore there wasn't a Mod double team of a player. I ask that no other moderators get massed this is getting out of control. All you need to do is say whether or not Spacey called me a woman...

[Phoenix of Terra]

Eros, please read the whole of my PMs, not just skim them. I realize you didn't and probably still don't want a mediator, but what I've said are heartfelt and I feel both just and true, so I ask you spend the time to view everything I wrote.

[Korruption]

mystake already did lol

[Korruption]

all i can say buck is bring it on make it a 2 mods vs me well really show what the mods on this forum are truley like

[Phoenix of Terra]

all i can say buck is bring it on make it a 2 mods vs me well really show what the mods on this forum are truley like

This is a joke right? Eros has asked you on this thread to not attack, I'm pretty sure Eros has chosen not to attack (this a point I'm not positive on, but I'm assuming is true), Mystake isn't a mod (in fact he has no tangible position that can be associated to the forum) and buck is doing this for personal motives completely unrelated to his modding duties, making it you versus two players who are fighting for what they feel is justice. I feel sorry for Eros, because your actions are reflecting rather poorly on him, through no fault of his own. Don't let loyalty blind your judgement.

[Spacey]

I tried to settle it with him on MSN buck, I even contacted him first... He was being very stubborn and said post it in the forums, so I did.. I would have prefered a simple private appology and to have avoided this mess..

did he tell you he didn't mean to offend? or did he tell you he didn't know what you were talking about?

~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~

We never got to that point. I was trying to describe what I meant. I provided links to encarta, explained what the subsequent post where I described what I meant, and asked him if a mediator could join us. He said no mediator and said he didn't care about other posts, that I was trying to cover it up, and asked me if I'd like this to become public knowledge. I said if that was what he wanted to do then to do it (what other option was there?.. no mediator and we weren't getting anywhere in our discussion).

If someone has an idea stuck in their head, and doesn't want to listen there isn't anything more I can do.

[The Xeno]

Can i point out, this isnt really anything to do with the ombudsman role...or community, Its a gripe between 2 people, Dont turn it into something much bigger...

It has everything thing to do with the ombudsman/woman -
We have a position of authority (I think... ) being run by a little kid who takes serious offense at what was either a simple case of Political Correctness, or a sexist slight from a champion of gender equality.

In either case... we still have an obnoxious 'voice' referencing an action movie in outraged pontification:

and then u tell me to chose my words wizely as if ur leonidus from 300

This wouldn't be a problem if this were just another member of the community... but here we have a significant public role being besmearched by all the petty personal crap that (from what I can gather) it was supposed to help eleminate.

You may move my thread but the community will not be silenced!

/Voice of the Community:
Grow up.


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I mean honestly, this forum has seen some very nasty stuff. But this thread must take the cake as most obscene... it's so childish

[buck]

all i can say buck is bring it on make it a 2 mods vs me well really show what the mods on this forum are truley like

Unfortunatly for you, it simply shows the small mind-idness of individuals, rather than "what the mods are like" You see, You seem to feel as though you can hit the mods, but when the mods decide they are going to hit you back "waa waa the mods are evil"

Il make it easy for you, In Eros's Words, this is a war game, I can mass you for no reason if i want to, as it happens im not going to mass you, Im going to Descimate your account/s.

You have one opurtunity to stop this from occuring, You May In your next post, Apoligise to spacey, Apoligise to eros, and then repay spacey all damages done. That is not an unfair ultimatum, if you choose not to accept it then let it not be said mods have no mercy.

[Ero`Sore]

If someone has an idea stuck in their head, and doesn't want to listen there isn't anything more I can do.

U can appologize for crossing the line

Also buck, Corey has nothing to apologize to. I think Mistake needs to appologize to him, Spacey needs to apologize to me, and you need to let spacey/mistake handle DHM. It's already a 2v1.

[Spacey]

does appear to be a backhanded comment

since there is only one ombudsman atm why refer to gender at all then

sounds like a poorly hidden innuendo to me

Eros did not want to post my reply to what he said, and I'm not moving out anything from the mod station without admin permission.

He responded to me that that wasn't necessary, and I replied saying that it covers future people in that position, and that it was not directed to any one person. I then said that I hope we weren't editing rules each month. Then commented that ombudsperson as suggested by someone was better than what I said.

edit in red

[Spacey]

If someone has an idea stuck in their head, and doesn't want to listen there isn't anything more I can do.

U can appologize for crossing the line

Eros, after all this we still haven't established what line I crossed. I was trying to talk to you about that. I was describing what I meant.

Should I apologize for trying to be politically correct?

[Phoenix of Terra]

Perhaps smoosh will have an opinion. He's browsing the forum atm.

[Phlamingoe]

all i can say buck is bring it on make it a 2 mods vs me well really show what the mods on this forum are truley like

The community needs to seperate forums from ingame

[Spacey]

You may move my thread but the community will not be silenced! I strongly advise against trying to censor legitimate threads like this in the future.

No one is trying to silence the community. The community who has elected you will see what has been said, what has been done and will come to their own conclusions about me, you, and what was said.

i think he ment it like you would write s/he when your unsure of a persons gender....now i know ur a bloke...but in the future it might not be (when its changed hands) so for future reference he wrote woman next to it....now sure thats not how i would of written it...but im sure thats how he ment it

That is how I meant it

Ombudsman/woman

the slash means something
like s/he, his/her, or wo/man