StarGateWars Forums

Kind of like RAW UP and TOTAL UP.

When the bank size increases from using PPT or MTs whatever it's adding a % to the RAW bank size, but the miners don't produce more naq per turn. So the RAW bank size is determined by the miners and the miners only increase the banksize when you train more miners or you ascend and they produce more naq per turn.

Trife wrote:Sorry pra3 But..

Awesome update.

Forum said this update was upcoming - if you were stocking naq in weapons I don't know why you would risk getting really screwed in the update instead of selling off your weapons while you still could for what a 10% loss or whatever?

We've all got our personal naq banks - why don't ya use em?

well duh, not all of us have over 2 tril bank size like those that have played this game for over a year.

I'm not an avid forum goer, but I guess I will from now on.
What a way to screw my plan to ascend.

pra3tor wrote:

Trife wrote:Sorry pra3 But..

Awesome update.

Forum said this update was upcoming - if you were stocking naq in weapons I don't know why you would risk getting really screwed in the update instead of selling off your weapons while you still could for what a 10% loss or whatever?

We've all got our personal naq banks - why don't ya use em?

well duh, not all of us have over 2 tril bank size like those that have played this game for over a year.

I'm not an avid forum goer, but I guess I will from now on.
What a way to screw my plan to ascend.

mines 5 trill... been playing almost 2 years...

let me know if your going to sell your weapons while off PPT too

TheRook

p.s. surely a friend can hold your naq while you ascend or you can ask me to hold it and I'll only take 10% "holders fee"

this update sucks. i was just about to sell all my attack weapons to drop my rank to raid. then i realised i would lose out on ~400-500 bil naq and came here. what were you thinking admin??

Stupid update. This wont fix the "mass/sell weapons to avoid retaliation/rebuy weapons/repeat' tactic" problem but will just make it worse for the players. A cheap attempt of trying to fix the game mechanics.

Naminef wrote:

Lucky Starr wrote:

Naminef wrote:

Zeratul wrote:

kamujian wrote:3 MT gives you a 33% boost to bank. (1 x 1.1 x 1.1 x 1.1 = 1.331)

no it doesnt... 3MT gives 30% bonus... the bonus is to raw bank size, not total...

yes its to raw bank size but it doesn't amount to a 30% increase. you are gaining 10% per purchase of the MT upgrade which would come out to 1.1xrawbanksize(hence the 1 above).

and no matter how many times you buy the MT upgrade you will still be getting that 10% so its still 1.1x1 even to the millionth upgrade

There's no 1.1... the raw bank size is determined by the number of miners you have and is not affected by previous PPT, ascension or SS bonuses.
If you, for example, have 100 bil. bank size and go on PPT, your bank size will go up to 110 bil. If you go on PPT again, you will again receive +10% of your raw bank size, which is still 100 bil. - so you'll have 120 bil., and so on. At least that's how it used to be before, and I doubt admin changed it.

Edit: see here for the calculations made about a month ago, before the new update. Note that ascensions give 20% instead of 10%, and USS 100% 'natural' bank size increase, according to a post in that topic.

yes im well aware what raw banksize is based off of, but if the MT bought banksize is increasing it then the raw banksize will change with each upgrade.

you math is all screwed up. 100bil raw banksize *10% = 10bil
10bil + 100bil = 110bil (i would hope that you can see the 1.1 here. if not just go away)
110bil(new raw banksize) * 10% = 11bil
11bil + 110bil = 121bil. (can you still see the 1.1?)

if this isnt the way that it calcs then admin needs to reword it since this is what it says.

Your "raw/natural/original" bank size doesnt increase with each purchase which gives a bank increase. You simply add onto what you've already got based on the "raw/natural/original" banksize - (this figure is the same for everyone and x by miners x income bonuses. Otherwise people would have stupid bank sizes far more than they could ever bank.

If your current bank is 7 trillion after having a 700% increase, if you add another 10% it becomes 710% of the original, not 770% of it. I.e 7,100 not 7,700 ...

.............................

As for people complaining about no longer being able to store Naq in weapons as a bank, they were never designed that way, to do so at a 20% loss is just unprofitable, i will store naq for anyone who asks just tell me when you want it back, no charge. Much cheaper than 20% or now 50% no?

I'm going to go with the majority here and say this was a bad update. I agree with the principle on which it is based and agree that the end it was trying to achieve is worthwhile but the means do not justify it.

Too much naq will be lost with ascenders now that getting into G&R range is more expensive. The more weapons to get there, the greater the loss.

I think it just needs to be changed from "Universal" to "Context based". Akin to the inability to jump on Vac until at least one day after PPT or attacking someone.

But instead of having it being either full weapon resale value of half (What ever it is now), have it dynamic.

EG. after you attack someone, due to your weapons being freshly repaired and such, the price for selling them is at it's lowest. Then, as each turn comes and goes, the price of the resale returns slowly to the original price, over a set amount of time.

This way, massers and feel the pain of buying and selling just to mass and the people who aren't involved in wars don't feel the bite of the update.

Instead of this update, replace it with somethin like

Can't go on PPT for 24 hours since your last attack
AND
weapons purchases are for a minimum of 24 hours

and return the resale prices to what the previously were

that combats two issues

weapons purchases are for a minimum of 24 hours - the 0 stat players have to risk having all of their weapons being sabbed away in the hours after their farming/massing sprees and stand to lose everything that they put in to their spree.

Can't go on PPT for 24 hours since your last attack - this combats the convenience of massing someone and then going on PPT to recover, or a 0 stat player who goes on a spree and hides on PPT for the 24 hours required to pass before they sell weapons.

Additionally it means that players have to apportion their time a little more throughout each week - more strategy to game play.

lame update, not only does it upset the veterans of the game but also means the noobies ascensions are gonna rob them when they come to sell up everything to take that 1st step to prior :/
i vote on a rethink of this update.
POLL

Naminef wrote:

Lucky Starr wrote:

Naminef wrote:

Zeratul wrote:

kamujian wrote:3 MT gives you a 33% boost to bank. (1 x 1.1 x 1.1 x 1.1 = 1.331)

no it doesnt... 3MT gives 30% bonus... the bonus is to raw bank size, not total...

yes its to raw bank size but it doesn't amount to a 30% increase. you are gaining 10% per purchase of the MT upgrade which would come out to 1.1xrawbanksize(hence the 1 above).

and no matter how many times you buy the MT upgrade you will still be getting that 10% so its still 1.1x1 even to the millionth upgrade

There's no 1.1... the raw bank size is determined by the number of miners you have and is not affected by previous PPT, ascension or SS bonuses.
If you, for example, have 100 bil. bank size and go on PPT, your bank size will go up to 110 bil. If you go on PPT again, you will again receive +10% of your raw bank size, which is still 100 bil. - so you'll have 120 bil., and so on. At least that's how it used to be before, and I doubt admin changed it.

Edit: see here for the calculations made about a month ago, before the new update. Note that ascensions give 20% instead of 10%, and USS 100% 'natural' bank size increase, according to a post in that topic.

yes im well aware what raw banksize is based off of, but if the MT bought banksize is increasing it then the raw banksize will change with each upgrade.

you math is all screwed up. 100bil raw banksize *10% = 10bil
10bil + 100bil = 110bil (i would hope that you can see the 1.1 here. if not just go away)
110bil(new raw banksize) * 10% = 11bil
11bil + 110bil = 121bil. (can you still see the 1.1?)

if this isnt the way that it calcs then admin needs to reword it since this is what it says.

there is no "new raw banksize"... it is just the old one... raw is raw... the raw is calculated from your miners, then any bonuses from ppts&such are added... this being 1.5 days of income * (1 + pptbonuses added together)

example:
income: 10 000 000 000 per turn
720 000 000 000 naq = bank capacity (1.5 days income)
# of 10% ppts (or such, with USS counting as 10 ppts) = 50
amount of bonus those equals = 50*0.10 = 5 + 1 = 6
total bank size: 4320000000000

with 10 more ppts, that increases to 5040000000000
(divided by 6, multiplied by 7)

Dizzy wrote:Instead of this update, replace it with somethin like

Can't go on PPT for 24 hours since your last attack
AND
weapons purchases are for a minimum of 24 hours

and return the resale prices to what the previously were

that combats two issues

weapons purchases are for a minimum of 24 hours - the 0 stat players have to risk having all of their weapons being sabbed away in the hours after their farming/massing sprees and stand to lose everything that they put in to their spree.

Can't go on PPT for 24 hours since your last attack - this combats the convenience of massing someone and then going on PPT to recover, or a 0 stat player who goes on a spree and hides on PPT for the 24 hours required to pass before they sell weapons.

Additionally it means that players have to apportion their time a little more throughout each week - more strategy to game play.

This seems to be good idea too...i second this..

Dizzy wrote:Instead of this update, replace it with somethin like

Can't go on PPT for 24 hours since your last attack
AND
weapons purchases are for a minimum of 24 hours

and return the resale prices to what the previously were

that combats two issues

weapons purchases are for a minimum of 24 hours - the 0 stat players have to risk having all of their weapons being sabbed away in the hours after their farming/massing sprees and stand to lose everything that they put in to their spree.

Can't go on PPT for 24 hours since your last attack - this combats the convenience of massing someone and then going on PPT to recover, or a 0 stat player who goes on a spree and hides on PPT for the 24 hours required to pass before they sell weapons.

Additionally it means that players have to apportion their time a little more throughout each week - more strategy to game play.

Hmmm ... wouldn't this bring about a lot of "all or nothing" situations?.
Only the bigger players will risk this more often as they have more connections and means to rebuild.
Most likely it will lead to a point where a lot of smaller people will attack less and less.

However, the time delay .... would it be based on rank size too, it could perhaps avoid that.
i.e. The higher your rank, the longer the delay needed.

TheRook wrote:

pra3tor wrote:

Trife wrote:Sorry pra3 But..

Awesome update.

Forum said this update was upcoming - if you were stocking naq in weapons I don't know why you would risk getting really screwed in the update instead of selling off your weapons while you still could for what a 10% loss or whatever?

We've all got our personal naq banks - why don't ya use em?

well duh, not all of us have over 2 tril bank size like those that have played this game for over a year.

I'm not an avid forum goer, but I guess I will from now on.
What a way to screw my plan to ascend.

mines 5 trill... been playing almost 2 years...

let me know if your going to sell your weapons while off PPT too

TheRook

p.s. surely a friend can hold your naq while you ascend or you can ask me to hold it and I'll only take 10% "holders fee"

no thanks, I have my mates that will hold them for me naq-free, so thanks, but no thanks hehehe...

Nostra wrote:

Dizzy wrote:Instead of this update, replace it with somethin like

Can't go on PPT for 24 hours since your last attack
AND
weapons purchases are for a minimum of 24 hours

and return the resale prices to what the previously were

that combats two issues

weapons purchases are for a minimum of 24 hours - the 0 stat players have to risk having all of their weapons being sabbed away in the hours after their farming/massing sprees and stand to lose everything that they put in to their spree.

Can't go on PPT for 24 hours since your last attack - this combats the convenience of massing someone and then going on PPT to recover, or a 0 stat player who goes on a spree and hides on PPT for the 24 hours required to pass before they sell weapons.

Additionally it means that players have to apportion their time a little more throughout each week - more strategy to game play.

Hmmm ... wouldn't this bring about a lot of "all or nothing" situations?.
Only the bigger players will risk this more often as they have more connections and means to rebuild.
Most likely it will lead to a point where a lot of smaller people will attack less and less.

However, the time delay .... would it be based on rank size too, it could perhaps avoid that.
i.e. The higher your rank, the longer the delay needed.

Yes it would broing about an 'all or nothing situation' - but it increases the risk for sniper accounts to lose everything. I wouldn't want to see it rank based as any good sniper acct should have 0 in at least one section (defense) meaning that it could easily keep def down to 3k+

As said already this really only screws people who want to ascend. If you're going to sniper people then 52% of resale value or 80% of resale value AFTER you have done it isn't really an issue, massings will have been done and retaliation avoided.

The thing that annoys me is that i HAVE to sell up when i ascend and suffer the extra losses even if it's primarily defense weapons i sell, which can't be used to "sniper" someone in the 1st place. But to be honest ascending is already a joke, the cost to ascend just went up and it was already way too high, the amount of troops you loose to ascending can be used to instead trade for DMU, net result is you get much more lifeforce.

The problem is now that ascended has the retardedly high growth rate the amount of APP's you get for ascending is pitiful compared to how much you can make yourself or buying from others. My last ascention i had 50k UP, i lost about 6-7 mill off my army size and the APP's i got bought me 15 gains, that's literally 10 turns income in ascended. Now why on earth would i want to do that again, especially when this update means i loose not just butt loads of troops, but i now get a bum deal selling my weapons on top of that??