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Re: Pathetic messages: Don't retaliate/Not welcome in our logs
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 5:48 am
by blahh
I ll try to get a hold of eros to make an ilustration/cartoon for better understanding

havent seen him arround in a while thoug so it might take some time..
you can also turn on tv and wait for any anti bugs comercial (raid/autan/whatever you have there).. should help lighting some bulbs

Re: Pathetic messages: Don't retaliate/Not welcome in our logs
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 5:51 am
by Shornaal
blahh wrote:I ll try to get a hold of eros to make an ilustration/cartoon for better understanding

havent seen him arround in a while thoug so it might take some time..
you can also turn on tv and wait for any anti bugs comercial (raid/autan/whatever you have there).. should help lighting some bulbs

Well you made the comment in regards to this thread or at least thats how it looks. So im just exploring the reason behind it. you seam to not to want to explain it. thats fine i will leave it at that.
Re: Pathetic messages: Don't retaliate/Not welcome in our logs
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 5:54 am
by Mato
Perhaps he doesnt like the Greek letters. Who could blame him.
Or maybe its not OE itself, but its the way mH's leader(s) handled the situation. Every opinion made about this( joining Omega) was deleted or edited. Apperantly so one couldn't influence others
I guess you guys knew what you were doing. Afterall if one silences all opposition one shouldnt act surprised if one's proposal got the support.
But hey treat your members as you like, just dont complain if they leave.
PS: The reasons above were a reason for leaving by another mH member.
Re: Pathetic messages: Don't retaliate/Not welcome in our logs
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 5:56 am
by pianomutt20000
blahh wrote:pianomutt20000 wrote:I have known Jenny since 2005. She got me to join my first alliance, AK. (Well after my day in arch angels). She's NEVER changed how she plays or how she see's things....trust me, i've tried.
Disagree with her, but don't accuse her of changing...because she's as steady as a rock.
Bill
If you ll folow the read of some threads in your absence you ll find that her "vievs" change alot.. on varius ocasions/points ... i m quite certain it has to do with that time of the month or whatever and it can easyly be explained as a normal phenomenon, just like some family bussiness was also

and you dont realy need to know some1, to notice some things... even a blind man can see some grey shades sometimes

btw is is just me or do the rest of you hear some buzzing sound too.. dam the higher temps.. flys and mosquitos and the rest of the scum are aperently back in the season.
Jenny, has always been an honorable player who does and acts as such. She has never, ever, acted otherwise.
She does however, have a temper, and is easily pissed off. But that's part of her character and she plays it well.
Heck, i've personally helped rebuild her account many times back in ak. I think it was 6 or 7 times. She held the "most massed player of ak" award

But she was always my friend.
Bill
Re: Pathetic messages: Don't retaliate/Not welcome in our logs
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:07 am
by Teal'auc of the Void
Mato wrote:Perhaps he doesnt like the Greek letters. Who could blame him.
Or maybe its not OE itself, but its the way mH's leader(s) handled the situation. Every opinion made about this( joining Omega) was deleted or edited. Apperantly so one couldn't influence others
I guess you guys knew what you were doing. Afterall if one silences all opposition one shouldnt act surprised if one's proposal got the support.
But hey treat your members as you like, just dont complain if they leave.
PS: The reasons above were a reason for leaving by another mH member.
First of all, that's another half-truth by TLE, inc.
Opinions were deleted, true, but only in FIRST discussion thread, I disagreed with it, but in the end it was discussed among members and... well yeah, they agreed on the fact you guys are not even able to keep NAP when it was in place. (before we joined OE) You set your own destiny yourselves and your behaviour were why we decided to trust OE rather than alliance which is not able to keep their members in line and break NAP on a whim.
Dig your own graves with your own weapons, please do.
Teal'auc
Re: Pathetic messages: Don't retaliate/Not welcome in our logs
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:12 am
by Shornaal
Mato wrote:Perhaps he doesnt like the Greek letters. Who could blame him.
Or maybe its not OE itself, but its the way mH's leader(s) handled the situation. Every opinion made about this( joining Omega) was deleted or edited. Apperantly so one couldn't influence others
I guess you guys knew what you were doing. Afterall if one silences all opposition one shouldnt act surprised if one's proposal got the support.
But hey treat your members as you like, just dont complain if they leave.
PS: The reasons above were a reason for leaving by another mH member.
I can think of many reasons why someone wouldnt like OE.
After all in the good nature of our NAP we shouldnt be talking smack about each other should we?
How each of our alliances conduct them selves is up to them. Just because we are all in an empire does not mean we conduct ourselves in the same mannor.
Doe it truly need a thread on how a leader(s) conducts themselves? No.
it just seams that this is out to tarnish that said alliance by making it public.
As for a freind who was built up and left the alliance i can see how that raised some eyebrows but again i dont see why this needs to be on a public forum.
Re: Pathetic messages: Don't retaliate/Not welcome in our logs
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:14 am
by blahh
pianomutt20000 wrote:Jenny, has always been an honorable player who does and acts as such. She has never, ever, acted otherwise.
She does however, have a temper, and is easily pissed off. But that's part of her character and she plays it well.
Heck, i've personally helped rebuild her account many times back in ak. I think it was 6 or 7 times. She held the "most massed player of ak" award

But she was always my friend.
Bill
hmmm well for example 3 weeks ago admin messed up the UP, mrs jenny went the extra mile, to post in evry posible topic on how TLE crys to get stuf done, indirectly me too.. and so on.. i m reconing she was "bijatching" and trastalking over us doing that in at least 5 threads (note shes suposedly a mod.. so some1 who should keep the forums clean and on a lvl, failed in that case there)
And the next day on meet admin day admin admited that it was his own doing.. and no player imput on that update.. that it was his way of "fixing" the cricles issues...
yet dear jenny didnt bother sayn i m sorry for judging/throwing stones without basis at you...
not to mention that at that point, we were "alegedly" their allys, which she was fully aware considering it was her hubby who brokered the deal...
than again she was fully aware too that at that point shes getting in bed with ppl shes fought against for the past year and alot of juicy coments are from those times some in my logs, some in others... yet she calls them brothers now

A honorable player normaly doesnt go arround blindly accousing ppl, and even if he did, he d find a tiny space of humility in that masive ego, to step up and say sorry when he was realised wrong...
just one of the "recent past" events.
Re: Pathetic messages: Don't retaliate/Not welcome in our logs
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:20 am
by pianomutt20000
blahh wrote:pianomutt20000 wrote:Jenny, has always been an honorable player who does and acts as such. She has never, ever, acted otherwise.
She does however, have a temper, and is easily pissed off. But that's part of her character and she plays it well.
Heck, i've personally helped rebuild her account many times back in ak. I think it was 6 or 7 times. She held the "most massed player of ak" award

But she was always my friend.
Bill
hmmm well for example 3 weeks ago admin messed up the UP, mrs jenny went the extra mile, to post in evry posible topic on how TLE crys to get stuf done, indirectly me too.. and so on.. i m reconing she was "bijatching" and trastalking over us doing that in at least 5 threads (note shes suposedly a mod.. so some1 who should keep the forums clean and on a lvl, failed in that case there)
And the next day on meet admin day admin admited that it was his own doing.. and no player imput on that update.. that it was his way of "fixing" the cricles issues...
yet dear jenny didnt bother sayn i m sorry for judging/throwing stones without basis at you...
not to mention that at that point, we were "alegedly" their allys, which she was fully aware considering it was her hubby who brokered the deal...
than again she was fully aware too that at that point shes getting in bed with ppl shes fought against for the past year and alot of juicy coments are from those times some in my logs, some in others... yet she calls them brothers now

A honorable player normaly doesnt go arround blindly accousing ppl, and even if he did, he d find a tiny space of humility in that masive ego, to step up and say sorry when he was realised wrong...
just one of the "recent past" events.
Jenny and I share a distinction, Omega threw us both out on our ass lol.
Jenny has very strong opinions, and her pride will often get in way of applogies. But she is a good person, and a steady friend. I would not hesitate to call upon her for help, because I know that she would help me.
I wasn't there, so i can't judge what happened then. All my memories are from a year ago and more. But I will say that it hurts to see her fall back under the same omega empire that tossed her out on her ass for no reason.. She was extremely loyal, and honorable. But nothing shows the true colors of an alliance then their treatment of their own. They failed Jenny, they also failed me.....
Bill
Re: Pathetic messages: Don't retaliate/Not welcome in our logs
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:22 am
by Teal'auc of the Void
We were never your allies. Get your facts straight.
There's only one thing I over-did... jumping on conclusions regarding the update about UP circles. Ok, for that one I am sorry, as it was caused by mis-information and it lead to me having a short fuse and having a go at you. That was inappropriate and for that you have my apology.
As for the rest - I never fought against Omega or OE. If you asked anyone in mH I was still very pro-OE. I might've said something about those who bite me in the butt in the past, I wanted to mass them and all - my temper is indeed short and I tend to say things born out of anger... so what? I joined mH back when they were neutral alliance. And in the end, seeing TLE's actions on forum, their unability to keep their members in line and many other things made me to trust OE rather than TLE.
So are you done with your slander, Blahh?
Teal'auc
Re: Pathetic messages: Don't retaliate/Not welcome in our logs
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:28 am
by pianomutt20000
Teal'auc of the Tok'ra wrote:We were never your allies. Get your facts straight.
There's only one thing I over-did... jumping on conclusions regarding the update about UP circles. Ok, for that one I am sorry, as it was caused by mis-information and it lead to me having a short fuse and having a go at you. That was inappropriate and for that you have my apology.
As for the rest - I never fought against Omega or OE. If you asked anyone in mH I was still very pro-OE. I might've said something about those who bite me in the butt in the past, I wanted to mass them and all - my temper is indeed short and I tend to say things born out of anger... so what? I joined mH back when they were neutral alliance. And in the end, seeing TLE's actions on forum, their unability to keep their members in line and many other things made me to trust OE rather than TLE.
So are you done with your slander, Blahh?
Teal'auc
I don't know, i've seen some shady things come out of OE. Many many things. I think i can trust those who have accepted me then those who did not.
Bill
Re: Pathetic messages: Don't retaliate/Not welcome in our logs
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:29 am
by Severian
Mordack wrote:Double standards are a luxury of the powerful, I'm afraid.
Quoted for the truth as always.
It all boils down to perception, circumstance and whatever is convenient at the time. Those with weight of numbers, force of character or power (physical/diplomatic/percieved or real) are able to walk down that path unmolested. Those without it will in turn be judged and burnt at the stake. Blood to keep the crowds saited and a sacrafice for percieved honour.
In all honesty and this applies universally in life; facts and secular truth have never really mattered. When it comes down to it, it all boils down to perception. Getting people to believe what you project.
This is the reason I try get people to question not just what is brought before them, but why was that specific frame of context chosen. To question and go beyond the range of a given context, to go beyond the scope of predetermined pathways or options which have a carefully crafted series of premeditated conclusions. An open mind is a wonderous thing which should be encouraged rather then the safety of ignorance and close mindedness.
It can get to the point where those supporting you reinforce the allure of your own projection to the point where it is no longer a tool and instead something you get caught up in and willing to believe (but more importantly wanting to believe) yourself.
Therein lies the difference of being subtle and being stubborn and why a simple laugh or sarcastic responce in a mob situation will sadly match a well thought out post using proper arguments.
You do not win because you are right. You win because your alteration of perception was more effective then theirs.
Re: Pathetic messages: Don't retaliate/Not welcome in our logs
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:32 am
by Mato
Teal'auc of the Tok'ra wrote:First of all, that's another half-truth by TLE, inc.
Opinions were deleted, true, but only in FIRST discussion thread, I disagreed with it, but in the end it was discussed among members and... well yeah, they agreed on the fact you guys are not even able to keep NAP when it was in place. (before we joined OE) You set your own destiny yourselves and your behaviour were why we decided to trust OE rather than alliance which is not able to keep their members in line and break NAP on a whim.
Dig your own graves with your own weapons, please do.
Teal'auc
Meh you re lying. Tok'ras always try to decieve.
We ve already digged yours. Just waiting to put you there. Oh and shovels were being used. Our weapons are aimed elsewhere.
And I still dont know if the symbiote or a host is talking.
@shornal
dont talk about NAP, especially when you are the one who is paying planet stealers to steal planets of NAPped players. To refresh your memory --> att/def dual you bought from a ZION player. And dont give me "I didnt know who was the previous owner" excuse.
Re: Pathetic messages: Don't retaliate/Not welcome in our logs
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:32 am
by blahh
theres that buzzing sound back again
hmmm i wonder if jake would like to know all his awsome nicknames tulc made for him...

@piano... ya ya ya... still you cant talk about how much you hate some1 and then end up shagging him the next day.. i mean at least usualy thats not how things work

for example theres a nice set of ppl i dislike.. not even hate.. didnt even have any vendetas against them and all that crap.. just dont like them..
Any1 of them applyn to TLE at any point.. in 1 month or 10 years.. gets my automatic veto.. If by any chance some1 is silly enough to try and override it... i m packing my bags the same minute.. cause i wont share my house with ppl i truely dislike..
You can call it egoistic.. I call it being a man of principle... sticking to ones vievs... wait wasnt a word view mentioned be4 somewhere in this topic.. ow yeah right tulc donest change hers

Re: Pathetic messages: Don't retaliate/Not welcome in our logs
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:33 am
by pianomutt20000
Severian wrote:Mordack wrote:Double standards are a luxury of the powerful, I'm afraid.
Quoted for the truth as always.
It all boils down to perception, circumstance and whatever is convenient at the time. Those with weight of numbers, force of character or power (physical/diplomatic/percieved or real) are able to walk down that path unmolested. Those without it will in turn be judged and burnt at the stake. Blood to keep the crowds saited and a sacrafice for percieved honour.
In all honesty and this applies universally in life; facts and secular truth have never really mattered. When it comes down to it, it all boils down to perception. Getting people to believe what you project.
This is the reason I try get people to question not just what is brought before them, but why was that specific frame of context chosen. To question and go beyond the range of a given context, to go beyond the scope of predetermined pathways or options which have a carefully crafted series of premeditated conclusions. An open mind is a wonderous thing which should be encouraged rather then the safety of ignorance and close mindedness.
It can get to the point where those supporting you reinforce the allure of your own projection to the point where it is no longer a tool and instead something you get caught up in and willing to believe (but more importantly wanting to believe) yourself.
Therein lies the difference of being subtle and being stubborn and why a simple laugh or sarcastic responce in a mob situation will sadly match a well thought out post using proper arguments.
You do not win because you are right. You win because your alteration of perception was more effective then theirs.
Outstanding post!!! You have nailed it on the head and are 100% correct.
That is called the art of propaganda

Which all sides use to their benefit.
Bill
Re: Pathetic messages: Don't retaliate/Not welcome in our logs
Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:37 am
by Shornaal
Mato wrote:
@shornal
dont talk about NAP, especially when you are the one who is paying planet stealers to steal planets of NAPped players. To refresh your memory --> att/def dual you bought from a ZION player. And dont give me "I didnt know who was the previous owner" excuse.
I was offered a planet i did not know where it came from. i bought it. I was not paying players to steal planets from a NAP'd players. That is not how i function. I have always be neutral with my posts and with my actions.
that was not an excuse it was the truth. Im very sorry you felt that way.