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Re: Terrorists, real or not?

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:19 pm
by Thriller
I know you're out there. I can feel you now. I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin. I'm going to hang up this phone, and then I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see. I'm going to show them a world without you. A world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries. A world where anything is possible. Where we go from there is a choice I leave to you.

lol
you can pm your proof if you like but then you have to read mine as well.

ps. sorry my first post was full of spelling mistakes

Re: Terrorists, real or not?

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:58 pm
by [KMA]Avenger
i'm game if you are :-)

oh btw, just to clarify something, its not my intention to convert anyone to anything, i leave that job to priests, Jehovah's witnesses and religious nut jobs.

Re: Terrorists, real or not?

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:37 am
by urogard
Empedocles wrote:WHAT could the government posssssssibly gain from faking Terrorism and carrying out these attacks themselves. Maybe you answered that and I didn't get it.

V for vendetta, although being a comic and movie has a good answer

people get scared, they want someone to protect them, even at a cost no one really wants to take.

Re: Terrorists, real or not?

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 5:10 am
by [KMA]Avenger
when people are scared enough they will give up there liberty for security. everyone has a different reason for doing this, some want security for their family's some simply want security and the status quo not to change, IE. have a good job and prospects and dont want anything to jeopardize the life style, all sorts of reasons for it.
governments have known this for at least the past 2000 years and they have used terror to get people to give them the power because the most destructive and evil institute is an unrestrained government and the past 100 years is chock full of the proof of that....

you guys need to understand why they would do this, when you have all the money in the world then things get kind of boring and you need a more powerful aphrodisiac to satisfy you, and the only aphrodisiac more powerful than controlling all the money in the world is POWER OVER THE MASSES!

Re: Terrorists, real or not?

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 6:02 am
by urogard
urogard wrote:
Empedocles wrote:WHAT could the government posssssssibly gain from faking Terrorism and carrying out these attacks themselves. Maybe you answered that and I didn't get it.

V for vendetta, although being a comic and movie has a good answer

people get scared, they want someone to protect them, even at a cost no one really wants to take.

btw in case someone wants to argue that movies and comics are not necesarily true then instead i'll point to the reichstag fire. After that all i need to do is to rest my case.

Re: Terrorists, real or not?

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 7:43 am
by Demeisen
hitler doesnt prove a point. he is not representative.

Re: Terrorists, real or not?

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:24 am
by urogard
LiQuiD wrote:hitler doesnt prove a point. he is not representative.

yes yes, i forgot there was no nazi facist dictatorship before WW2.
In germany everyone was on holidays at that time.

And because of that, it's not history and common knowledge because it never happened.[/sarcasm]

Please explain how hitlers use of fear and creation of scapegoats in order to rally the german people behind him and bestow unlimited power on him is not representative to what we're discussing here.

Re: Terrorists, real or not?

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 6:52 pm
by Thriller
uragard i really believe you have never taken a course or read a book that does past high school history

@Avenger
can i get some written proof for your ideas. I cant watch that documentary the quality is terrible and it makes my brain bleed. I recall in an older post i believed most of your info came from made for TV documentaries and i your not really proving me wrong with that link you sent.

Re: Terrorists, real or not?

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:20 pm
by [KMA]Avenger
not a problem...

read your constitution, everything that guy talks about is taken directly from there :-)


this is what it basically boils down to and look closely at who is above who, the structure below is deliberate and NOT randomly set out...



god and gods law:

the individual or we the people:

the grand jury - the trial jury

the constitution:

the executive branch of government - the legislative branch - the judiciary branch <<<these 3 branches are meant to be checks and balances 1 against the other and if a law passes this stage it then goes to the grand jury for approval and to make sure its in compliance with the constitution, to understand this you have to look closely at everyones place in the structure above.
this is not a fabrication by anyone, this is the legacy, power and gift given to the people of the USA by the founding fathers because they saw first hand the corruption in an unrestrained government and came up with a way for society to function without anyone losing his/her rights.



when you have the above in place the order of society is like this...

the people
trial jury
grand jury
elections


when you dont have that system in place you get this:


government
the people...

otherwise known as, "a democracy"

now my question to you is, what type of system does modern day america resemble more, the top or bottom system?
theres a document you can buy for just a few dollars called "The Citizens Handbook" which also contains the full and unedited version of the constitution which is NOT taught in civi class.

Re: Terrorists, real or not?

Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:37 am
by urogard
Thriller wrote:uragard i really believe you have never taken a course or read a book that does past high school history

You're completely right, spot on!

Only of course if by history you also mean the real future about what will happen (in contrast to books merely making predicitions about future development) and with high school you actually mean past university.

XD

PS: you spelt my name wrong
PPS: still, european elementary school history lessons far surpass the level of american high school history lessons. So yea, whatever.

Re: Terrorists, real or not?

Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:49 am
by Empy
urogard wrote:
Thriller wrote:uragard i really believe you have never taken a course or read a book that does past high school history

You're completely right, spot on!

Only of course if by history you also mean the real future about what will happen (in contrast to books merely making predicitions about future development) and with high school you actually mean past university.

XD

PS: you spelt my name wrong
PPS: still, european elementary school history lessons far surpass the level of american high school history lessons. So yea, whatever.

Typical European arrogance. Have you ever been in an American High School? Probably not, so you can shut up. You shouldn't talk about things that you really don't know anything about, and it just makes you look pretty dumb.

Re: Terrorists, real or not?

Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:05 am
by [KMA]Avenger
Empedocles wrote:
urogard wrote:
Thriller wrote:uragard i really believe you have never taken a course or read a book that does past high school history

You're completely right, spot on!

Only of course if by history you also mean the real future about what will happen (in contrast to books merely making predicitions about future development) and with high school you actually mean past university.

XD

PS: you spelt my name wrong
PPS: still, european elementary school history lessons far surpass the level of american high school history lessons. So yea, whatever.

Typical European arrogance. Have you ever been in an American High School? Probably not, so you can shut up. You shouldn't talk about things that you really don't know anything about, and it just makes you look pretty dumb.



Empedocles, you have to understand 1 thing, urogard is not your enemy, he is a common person (by that i mean he is not part of the elite) the same as you and when a fellow common person trys to bring something to your attention from a stand point of simply trying to share his knowledge the least you could do is try and prove him wrong with research of your own.

no one here is asking you take anything on blind faith, governments ask people to take them on blind faith and look where that has got us!

so please don't just dismiss what he says simply because it doesn't fit in to what you have been taught.

Re: Terrorists, real or not?

Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:17 am
by Empy
[KMA]Avenger wrote:
Empedocles wrote:
urogard wrote:
Thriller wrote:uragard i really believe you have never taken a course or read a book that does past high school history

You're completely right, spot on!

Only of course if by history you also mean the real future about what will happen (in contrast to books merely making predicitions about future development) and with high school you actually mean past university.

XD

PS: you spelt my name wrong
PPS: still, european elementary school history lessons far surpass the level of american high school history lessons. So yea, whatever.

Typical European arrogance. Have you ever been in an American High School? Probably not, so you can shut up. You shouldn't talk about things that you really don't know anything about, and it just makes you look pretty dumb.



Empedocles, you have to understand 1 thing, urogard is not your enemy, he is a common person (by that i mean he is not part of the elite) the same as you and when a fellow common person trys to bring something to your attention from a stand point of simply trying to share his knowledge the least you could do is try and prove him wrong with research of your own.

no one here is asking you take anything on blind faith, governments ask people to take them on blind faith and look where that has got us!

so please don't just dismiss what he says simply because it doesn't fit in to what you have been taught.

Why should I give "research" when all he gives is a petty remark about "american high schools" and how they are apparently the equivalent of European elementary schools. Where is his research? Does he have anything to back his statement besides air? Nope. So I am not gonna do anything but give the same kind of comment in return. You don't gotta spew all your "what you've been taught" or "governments" comments because THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT HE SAID. He made a close-minded remark about "american high schools" because he didn't like what Thriller said, and he couldn't give a counter-argument so he just decided to insult him.

Re: Terrorists, real or not?

Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:28 am
by [KMA]Avenger
erm, ok whatever.

you want proof?

well here it is, these are the people you have teaching students that death is glorious and we should wipe out 90% of the population, you think teachers and professors like this have your best interests and education at heart?



here he is, doctor doom in the flesh standing on the left with the white beard.


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Professor's "Kill 90% of Population" Comments Echo UN, Elite NGO policies
Mainstream media first spike, then distort reality of the story

April 4 2006

Related: Top Scientist Advocates Mass Culling 90% Of Human Population
Dr Forrest M. Mims, III, the Editor of Citizen Scientist Magazine and Chairman of the Environmental Science Section of the Texas Academy of Science. The discussion centered around the controversial University of Texas professor who advocates the mass death of 90% of the world's human population.

Dr. Eric R. Pianka gave a speech to the Texas Academy of Science last month in which he advocated the need to exterminate 90% of the population through the airborne ebola virus. Pianka's chilling comments, and their enthusiastic reception again underscore the elite's agenda to enact horrifying measures of population control.

Standing in front of a slide of human skulls, Pianka gleefully advocated airborne ebola as his preferred method of exterminating the necessary 90% of humans, choosing it over AIDS because of its faster kill period. Ebola victims suffer the most tortuous deaths imaginable as the virus kills by liquefying the internal organs. The body literally dissolves as the victim writhes in pain bleeding from every orifice.

Pianka was later presented with a distinguished scientist award by the Academy. Pianka is no crackpot. He has given lectures to prestigious universities worldwide.

[spoiler]http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pictures/apr06/040406Pianka.jpg[/spoiler]


The reason he is being awarded is because he is simply espousing the views that have been put forward by UN agencies such as the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA), WHO and UNICEF and international NGO's such as the International Planned Parenthood Federation, as well as The US Government for the last 35 years.

We have previously documented the elite's hideous interest in depopulation techniques, an interest that mirrors the nightmare eugenics visions of Nazi scientists in the 1940s.

Pianka suggests that we should begin to sterilize the human population now, a call that has previously been put forward by Henry Kissinger in a declassified document of the National Security Council (1974) entitled "The Implications of World-wide Population Growth on the Security and External Interests of the United States".

This document lists as a priority birth-rate control in 13 key countries in the Third World, especially in South America. Extraordinary resources were allotted to the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) to implement the policy of birth-rate control.

It also contains sections entitled:

Creating Conditions Conducive to Fertility Decline, which calls for, amongst other things, "reducing infant and child mortality"

Concentration on Education and Indoctrination of The Rising Generation of Children Regarding the Desirability of Smaller Family Size

Utilization of Mass Media and Satellite Communications Systems for Family Planning

The memorandum also includes a section that lauds abortion and states that " -- It would be unwise to restrict abortion research for the following reasons: 1) The persistent and ubiquitous nature of abortion. 2) Widespread lack of safe abortion techniques..."

The memorandum basically stresses the need to offer increased aid for third world countries that agree to implement programs of sterilization and depopulation.

The document contains too many hideous quotes to mention here, read it for yourself by clicking here...[spoiler]http://www.population-security.org/28-APP2.html[/spoiler].

Kissinger also prepared a depopulation manifesto for President Jimmy Carter called 'Global 2000' which detailed using food as a weapon to depopulate the third world.

The United Nations Population Fund directly supports policies such as that of the "one child policy" in Communist China which encapsulates coercive and enforced abortion.

In 2002 Secretary of State Colin Powell stated in a letter to Congress:

"Regrettably, the PRC has in place a regime of severe penalties on women who have unapproved births. This regime plainly operates to coerce pregnant women to have abortions in order to avoid the penalties and therefore amounts to a ‘program of coercive abortion.’ Regardless of the modest size of UNFPA’s budget in China or any benefits its programs provide, UNFPA's support of, and involvement in, China's population-planning activities allows the Chinese government to implement more effectively its program of coercive abortion.”

Yet The UNPFA seem to think this is a great thing

"China has had the most successful family planning policy in the history of mankind in terms of quantity and with that, China has done mankind a favour," United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) representative Sven Burmester said last week. —10/11/99 Agence France-Presse

Under the Regan Administration legislation sponsored by then-Rep. Jack Kemp (NY) and then-Sen. Bob Kasten (WI) ensured funding to the UNPFA was cut off for these very reasons. Yet is was no surprise when In 1993, the Clinton Administration dramatically revised the official interpretation of the “Kemp-Kasten amendment” in order to facilitate U.S. funding of UNFPA, thus making available $14.5 million.

In May 2003, the House Committee on International Relations narrowly adopted an an amendment by Rep. Joseph Crowley (D-NY) revoking the ban on such participation with the UNPFA. The amendment earmarked $100 million for UNFPA over the next two years.

There are countless other instances of depopulation programs, too numerous to go into in this brief article. We urge our readers to research them and expose them further.

Dr Pianka's comments are merely echoes of the elite lust for a Malthusian social Darwinist control mechanism. They wish to use the excuse of having to "save the earth" in order to take away freedom and implement a massive authoritarian control grid.

Amazingly the audience of fellow scientists and students present at Dr Pianka's presentation in Texas actually applauded, cheered and laughed approvingly.

Dr Forrest Mims, who has been valiantly trying to expose Pianka's hideous calls, commented that he wrote to Pianka - or "Dr Death" as he has been dubbed - and asked for an explanation as to why he wanted to see a worldwide epidemic that would only kill Africans. Pianka responded by saying he was not racially prejudice and wanted to see 90% of all races exterminated.

"He wants an equal opportunity killer virus" Mims said.

Mims further quoted Pianka as having said that "We need to sterilize everybody on the earth and make the antidote freely available to anyone willing to work for it".

According to Mims, Pianka also praised China's "one child policy" stating that "China was able to turn the corner and become the leading world super power because they have a police state and they are able to force people to stop re-producing."

"The only difference between Pianka and Hitler is that Hitler stated he wanted to kill five and a half million people, this guy is saying he wants to kill five and a half billion people." Mims went on to say.

Mims also revealed that at another lecture, Pianka had a cuddly toy,much like the one pictured below, shaped like the ebola virus which he fawned over.
[spoiler]http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pictures/apr06/040406Ebola.jpg[/spoiler]

As stated in yesterday's article however, Pianka's doomsday warning of the population bomb, for which Mims claims he presented no evidence whatsoever, is complete pseudo-science. Populations in developed countries are declining and only in third world countries is it expanding dramatically. Industrialization itself levels out population trends and even despite this world population models routinely show that the earth's population will level out at 9 billion in 2050 and slowly decline after that. "The population of the most developed countries will remain virtually unchanged at 1.2 billion until 2050," states a United Nations report. The UN population policies seem to be in direct contradiction to THEIR OWN FINDINGS.

Conservation International's own study revealed that 46% of the earth's surface was an untouched wilderness, that is land areas not including sea. It is commonly accepted that the entire world population could all fit into the state of Texas and each have an acre of their own land.

Once a country industrializes there is an average of a 1.6 child rate per household, so the western world population is actually in decline. That trend has also been witnessed in areas of Asia like Japan and South Korea. The UN has stated that the population will peak at 9 billion and then begin declining.

In his attempts to alert the world to Pianka, Mims approached the Associated Press who spiked the story despite it being extremely newsworthy.

The story was picked up by Jamie Mobley of the The Seguin Gazette-Enterprise, yet when Mims produced this article to the AP they responded with the comment:

"We can't carry such an important story if it is just done by a small time newspaper"

Mims stressed that "These people are part of the dark ages of the media, they need to realize that it is the radio and the web that are carrying the ball. The newspapers are way behind the times, the Associated Press said they would call today, they have not called."

Today the AP has produced an article that completely distorts the reality of what Dr "Death" Pianka has been lecturing about.

The AP suggests that Pianka has back-peddled and said that he was only trying to warn against epidemic occurring due to overpopulation completely. This contradicts his clear statement that airborne ebola should be used to eliminate 90% of the human population. He is not warning against a disease epidemic, he is advocating one and the Associated Press has displayed yellow journalism in not pointing out this disconnect.

The AP states:

A University of Texas biology professor has been targeted by talk radio, bloggers and vitriolic e-mails - including a death threat - after a published report that he advocated death for most of the population as a means of saving the Earth.

This is NOT the story, the story is that the man WANTS TO KILL 90% OF PEOPLE ON THE PLANET.

Forrest Mims, pictured above, ended the interview by warning that if indeed the students of Pianka agree with his views, they could become scientists in the future and seriously research and hope to implement such policies.

Mims cited that the 1918 flu virus that caused a mass epidemic has recently been re-created. There are also other MORE DEADLY viruses in existence in labs across the world. If someone wanted to release these in order to "save the world" they wouldn't have to spend years creating the means to do it.

Mims ended the interview by warning that if indeed the students of Pianka agree with his views, they could become scientists in the future and seriously research and hope to implement such policies.

Mims stated that he is "deeply disturbed" with the scientific community:

"I interviewed the student who became a convert to this for 45 minutes and sir, you are absolutely correct, there are people out there who are willing to do this"





make no mistake about who is in control of our education systems all over the world because animals like pianka cannot survive after making such statements in public if he is not supported from above and below.




your research please :wink:

Re: Terrorists, real or not?

Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:24 am
by urogard
Empedocles wrote:He made a close-minded remark about "american high schools" because he didn't like what Thriller said, and he couldn't give a counter-argument so he just decided to insult him.

All thriller said was that i most likely never read a history book past high school level, my response was based solely on this ludicrous remark.

Also I made a rational-fact-based argument from my knowledge about american high school system having read about it and had a number of people being able to answer me questions since they had been part of it for their whole lives.

Seconly as you may recall i only talked about history lessons.

A good example you want to hear?
In texas your kids will never get a book in their hands where they will read that the US invaded mexico and took their land and anexed it.

Every state in the USA can pick which books they will use for their education, explains the close-mindedness of american mentality.

FYI in some us schools they also added creationism to the school syllabus.
What an effing joke.