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Re: Racism

Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:47 am
by agapooka
Do you want one?

Re: Racism

Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:05 am
by Cole
Rudy Pena wrote:
Universe wrote:Racism against black people is the fault of black people.
If there were no black people, there would not be racism against black people.

Yes. This is solid proof.

And if there were no hispanics, then there wouldn't be racism against us.
Or if there were no Jewish people, Muslism, Asian people there wouldn't be racism against them. ANd so by your logic white people are the supreme race cause white people are racist against all these people. So do you think Hitler was right to kill over 6 million Jewish people? Cause by your logic if Jewish people weren't around then Hitler woundn't have killed them cause there was none to kill.

I personally don't see where the highlighted part came from.
There was no mention of races by her, because as everyone [should] know, there's only one race.
Racism is as I said, an outdated word. It should be replaced by ethnophobism.

Re: Racism

Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:00 am
by Rudy Peña
Agapooka wrote:Do you want one?

Yes, please.

Re: Racism

Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:52 am
by agapooka
I guess I could make one with pixel art...

Will you put it in your siggy?

Re: Racism

Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:58 am
by Rudy Peña
Agapooka wrote:I guess I could make one with pixel art...

Will you put it in your siggy?

Yes

Re: Racism

Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:22 am
by Juliette
Tacet wrote:Interesting thing about this thread - in the few pages I scanned no one asked anyone else what colour, or ethnic group they are.
Oh, I forgot. Maybe it is because we are not racist, so we have absolutely no need for that information? I mean, I could care less if someone is black or has a pigment overload in the blue spectre, or is actually white like a spectre.. In all honesty, the fact that we are digital avatars here has eliminated the assumptions, presumptions, prejudices and other potential jawdropping realisations we might have when we see someone is actually black and making smartass comments. Not saying we would, but we do not need said information, especially given our current environment. ;)
Or what did you prefer? That we ask everyone to state their ethnicity, so that we can be politically correct? Pah. Political correctness is for weakminded fools.
Tacet wrote:@Universe - Legendary's list of examples isn't far of the mark. Apartheid was racism, pure and simple. If you want to try and contradict that, be welcome to. I'd say that the slavery and Shoah ones can be refuted, though the Shoah one will be an very interesting debate. As for the rest, I'd really like to see your arguments on those.
I will not argue apartheid, as it is a rather sensitive subject in my family, and I do not wish to upset them. Apologies, I wish I would be able to. ;)

I frown upon anyone who would talk about slavery as if it is something bad. Look here. If we never deported black people from Africa, the USA would never be as powerful and as important as it is today. Most likely, the African nations would have remained behind in the global developments (which would occur at a much slower pace because the educated population would be required to work the field instead of actually do something with that education). Need I remind you that the Imperialism-era slavery was initiated and kept going by those very black people that were being sold? There never was and never will be a unity of black people. Heck, they were more devious and vicious in their deportation manners as dear old Adolf purportedly was. At least he used trains, the black slavers had their slaves-for-sale walk every single mile of their journey! So tell me.. how inhumane is it to save a black person from the African madness? In all, slavery has educated the generic black person, raised their averages across the board.

And the Shoah? Jewish propaganda to maintain their global domination.
I kid, I kid. Fact of the matter is that even the Jewish 'holocaust' was not in essentia racist. It was an attempt to eliminate a social class. Effectively, it was a form of political genocide. Bad, but not racist. Social Darwinism is not racist, and from that theory, almost all anti-Jewish arguments stem. Sure, antisemitism is racism. Semites are not an actual people but are a group of people sharing some similarities, i.e. a race. Technically, they are only a linguistic unit, but race suffices as well.. thus, antisemitism is racist, by the grace of our expansion of the group targeted. Heh, kind of a stretch.

I forgot the other stuff.

Tacet wrote:@Semper - with the current Jim/Jo debate I suspect that words are taking on meanings in the triplicate. :)

:lol:

Re: Racism

Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:37 am
by Cole
Armenian Genocide, Tusti/Hutu thing in Rwanda, it was.

Re: Racism

Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:48 pm
by Thade
Universe wrote:
Tacet wrote:Interesting thing about this thread - in the few pages I scanned no one asked anyone else what colour, or ethnic group they are.

I always just made assumptions about people by the way they posted, it's easier that way and it upholds my distorted sense of reality. I mean Universe quotes Jay-Z in her sig so she's got to be black right (if she's even really a she)? (I kid, I kid)

Anyways, as Universe states that is one good thing about the Internet, race, gender, religion and sexual preference matter little and a person's ideas stand on their own. Also, a lot of folks have simply said what race they are (as they sometimes believe that may alter the way their arguments are taken, and if we could actually believe them when they claim a certain ethnicity).

So for the record I'm an American (whatever the hell that means - something about being a mutt).

Re: Racism

Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:06 am
by agapooka
Speaking of slavery and discrimination against others who are different from oneself - those have existed like... forever. I don't see many ongoing discussions about how aweful the Assyrians were with the slaves that they captured - or the Aztecs, even. They went around kidnapping other tribes' men and sacrificing them to their plethora of gods. BAD BAD.

Plus, you're all slaves now, too. I mean, most of you with enough years probably have a job that you hate, so that you can pay bills and taxes, which you also hate. Last thing I heard, taxing is something bullies do.

Who in their right mind does something that they hate so that they can pay something that they hate?!?!?! You weirdos. People who live in real hunter-gatherer societies work less to survive. This means that they have more free time to meditate and think - which is a human need, not a luxury, by the way. Stress kills and makes people sick... need I make links with how starving does similar things?

Yep, you're all slaves. Some are even slaves to entertainment, which is like the morphine that you take to forget how terribly dull your slave lives are. That's why many are addicted to SGW, FOR EXAMPLE. So stop talking about slavery like it's a bizarre curiosity, because it always has existed and it still does. :)

Re: Racism

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:33 am
by Cole
The most recent example of blatant racism is apartheid.
Black people being forbidden to enter cities, to have decent jobs (fired if they had a decent job) etc...
Forbidden also to be in governement, be in political parties, go to schools/uni...
Now let's see what happens, the apartheid caused so much harms that now white people are living in constant danger in South Africa, and live behind walls to protect themselves from angry black people, who can't forgive them.
All of that because of that crap system which was apartheid. Now racism is back, but it's reversed racism, because black people want revenge in some cases for all pain they suffered from in last decades. It's beyond what colonialism (relations between inhabitants and colons) usually was in XXth century...way worse than regular colonialism.
That also costed membership in Commonwealth (if not mistaken) for SA, because GB wouldn't want to keep such immoral and disgraceful kind of governement, in their trade union (and I understand them..).

Apartheid for the loose.