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Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:41 am
by Norbe
SSG EnterTheLion wrote:And yes you are spamming my thread about the EPA. You TA guys seem to have a hard on for poking into threads begun by me that don't concern you.
I would like to argue that whatever affects policy regarding my allies and enemies does concern me. Including this thread.
However... a lot of what is said in this thread could be described as "**Filtered**" at best, "meaningless offtopic dribble" at worse.
@ Wepwaet : There are many shades of grey other than black and white.
@ Math : If O-Neill wishes to post, let him. We know what happened and its been posted on these forums enough times in the past. To summarise for those who dont know, ETL asked O-Neill to give him resources, O-Neill refused and ETL sat on his account (in ascended) for roughly a year. O-Neill was on vac mode in ascended for a long time as a result. Eventually ETL did set peace with O-Neill. If you were trying to wind him up, sitting on him for a year sure did the trick. End of story. Lets not post about it again.
EDIT @ Lith : Had I have thought about it at the time, I would've realised how mH and OE were so closly linked. In hindsight it was obvious they would have joined eventually. So we were nieve to ever begin talks with them. A few decent folks there though, I certainly had fun during the TÅ v mH war.
ETL wrote: But of course, getting personal has become a characteristic of these forums.
An unfortunate truth. It is just a game after all.
As far as EPA goes, I never knew Wolf, so I can't comment on what he would/wouldn't have done. One thing is for sure though, the current leaders did what they deemed neccessary. Good luck to EPA.
~Norbe~
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:51 am
by MajorLeeHurts
Orpheus wrote:i think for except couple of posts that can fill up 1 page all the rest is actually SPAM and should be moderated or moved to the approriate topic or section.
any mods around with lots of free time ?
Im here and yes this is wandering around on and off topic but a good discussion to say the least.
Would you like it split or start another thread , so you can continue on both subjects?
Or you can get back on topic and I could delete some spam but that would be a shame IMO to loose some of these posts.
Obvious spam deleted
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:59 am
by papa~smurf
MajorLeeHurts wrote:Orpheus wrote:i think for except couple of posts that can fill up 1 page all the rest is actually SPAM and should be moderated or moved to the approriate topic or section.
any mods around with lots of free time ?
Im here and yes this is wandering around on and off topic but a good discussion to say the least.
Would you like it split or start another thread , so you can continue on both subjects?
Or you can get back on topic and I could delete some spam but that would be a shame IMO to loose some of these posts.
Obvious spam deleted
i am not fearfull to post after u
runs and hides
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:35 am
by SSG EnterTheLion
Norbe wrote:SSG EnterTheLion wrote:And yes you are spamming my thread about the EPA. You TA guys seem to have a hard on for poking into threads begun by me that don't concern you.
@ Math : If O-Neill wishes to post, let him. We know what happened and its been posted on these forums enough times in the past. To summarise for those who dont know, ETL asked O-Neill to give him resources, O-Neill refused and ETL sat on his account (in ascended) for roughly a year. O-Neill was on vac mode in ascended for a long time as a result. Eventually ETL did set peace with O-Neill. If you were trying to wind him up, sitting on him for a year sure did the trick. End of story. Lets not post about it again.
As far as EPA goes, I never knew Wolf, so I can't comment on what he would/wouldn't have done. One thing is for sure though, the current leaders did what they deemed neccessary. Good luck to EPA.
~Norbe~[/quote]
Norbe get ur facts right mate..I used to raid Oneill for a long while. Then we messaged him. A short time after our joke I set peace with him. It was not like how you point out that I gave him an ultimatum and then sat on him for a year.
As for Lithium, I am curious how I failed to trick the EPA? The EPA's own leader confirms what I said was the truth, including him reading Omega's forums. Sometimes a post is just a post. People asked about what was up and many know the EPA and Omega were allied for a looong time and how it got to this situation. Some of you people are paranoid. For instance at the start of this war, I praised some TA guy or something about how well he or they fought compared to their Legion allies. Imagine my amusement when they started thinking it was some sort of conspiracy or something. lol
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:46 am
by Mordack
I don't want to close this thread, as I think that historical/political jousting of this nature is interesting and brings something to the forum. It will be closed if people continue to spam, though, so please behave yourselves. That applies to BOTH sides, incidentally.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:22 am
by Mathlord
Okay, one thing at a time.
Wepwaet wrote:Mathlord wrote:Now Wepwaet. Let me try and talk this through for you...again. First off, I don't haze my replies, you make things too simple in creating a threshold, hence oversimplification. I mentioned the time of ETL's accusations as I presumed you were doing the usual complaint of "living in the past" even when not applicable, just covering ALL my bases as I now have to in these threads. For your second post where you clarified what you were after, I responded to your claims and explaining what I meant in my initial post. You call it childish when your questions were silly to begin with. You don't ask someone's opinion then ask them if their opinion is worth anything. That's just insulting. But that's okay, you'll just claim I'm childish again, or spewing propaganda about your posting style 
Then when you refused to actually read and figure out what I was saying for yourself, I had to say it more plainly which you apparently got thank god.So let's go through this quickly.
It is okay to bring up whatever you want, your perogative. Of course it is an individual's discretion whether they consider it an important issue or not, but that's not really the question here. Is ETL allowed to bring up stuff from 4 years ago?
Sure, just as I'm allowed to respond to ETL's claims in kind. What is a silly claim is to then say what I did is in the past and shouldn't be included while forgetting to do the same with ETL's posts from even further in the past. Got that?
This falls under my idea of hazing...
Okay, so you're definition of hazing is explaining my posts. Nice job there.
Wepwaet wrote:This is you being insulting....
Not insulting, just stating facts. You refuse to actually read my posts and understand what I'm saying apparently if they are longer than two or three lines, instead calling them propaganda or "hazing"
Wepwaet wrote:And this is you actually answering my queston...
Actually it is about the third time I answered that question, but that's not important.
Wepwaet wrote:You take pleasure in pointing out double standards and hypocrisy. Im trying to point out to you that your stance (what you've told me) doesn't fit with the tone you used in your earlier posts. You should realize that by taking something down to its absolute coherent part avoids preconcieved notions and propaganda. (you view my wanting a specific number out of you as oversimplification; I view it as defining the base for which to have a discussion) I don't particularly care about who brought up what about who or when.
Man, sometimes you can't answer something in one or two lines. Oversimplifying a problem does a disservice to all involved as you get nowhere in actually answering the real question. It's like if you asked me the meaning of life and I said 42. That does not help at all. About my stance in previous posts, all I got to say is once again...read them. If that doesn't help, read the five other posts I have explaining it over again.
Wepwaet wrote:Personally, my threshold is that if it happened before my time then its in the past. If john Q public joins alliance x I don't hold him responsable for things alliance x did before he got their, I would hold him responsable for things that happen after he got their though. I think if you took off your jaded glasses for a second you'd be able to see the question isn't about ETL said this or you said that but about having a respectful discussion on a topic with no right answer.
Okay, so by your logic, I shouldn't hold you responsible for acts committed by your alliance prior to your arrival. Fair enough on a basic level and I don't contradict that in my comments; however, if you look deeper at it, it is still an act by you to join said alliance, knowing of their past deeds. Not guilt by association per say, but willingly associating yourself with people with a shady past says something about you and the choices you make. So it's not as clear cut as you make it out to be. This is why you can't oversimplify this question lol.
Wepwaet wrote:And for the record asking a person to give and then defend their reasoning isn't silly, its the basis of higher education...
You didn't ask me to defend my reasoning, you asked me to defend whether I should be able to make a decision on the subject at all. There is a difference.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:46 am
by Brdavs
SSG EnterTheLion wrote: Some of you people are paranoid. For instance at the start of this war, I praised some TA guy or something about how well he or they fought compared to their Legion allies. Imagine my amusement when they started thinking it was some sort of conspiracy or something. lol
Just guessing, but thath might have something to do with your tounge being snake like forked in these... heck every situation. You think you`re very subtle big guy, with the subtle jibes, praise chained to ridicule to hopefully create strife, but you`re really not. And gunz hasnt exactly outdone his mentor by lightyears required for any meaningfull practical effect. Just none of the pom-pom girls on your end dares to point it out to you like we do.
But heck, I can do it too. My neighbor Joe, who is mentaly handicapped since birth & requires to be bottle fed at 30, is really improving and is quite articulate - compared to 90% of OE. Good for him.
So note, the central premise here is my praise of my neigbor Joe, bless him. Don`t anyone at your end get "paranoid" or "offended" or "uneasy". You get the highly caricatured picture?
I mean seriously, you actually seem to believe you`re like way smarter than everyone/that we`re all a tad slow, so that you`re really running these (attempted) circles around everyone, don`t you? That`s the only explanation I can think of for your repeated condescending demeanor towards everyone not shining your boots. Christ, how are you not embarased posting certaing things like "was just teasing Oneil" etc. all the time? Man you`re some tease, you virtually singlehandedly "teased" purgatory into existance lol.
I mean for christ sake, are we really all *that* stupid/gullable in your eyes? Come to think of it, you`d prolly be better off not answering that... Atleast not honestly heh.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:09 am
by SSG EnterTheLion
Brdavs wrote:SSG EnterTheLion wrote: Some of you people are paranoid. For instance at the start of this war, I praised some TA guy or something about how well he or they fought compared to their Legion allies. Imagine my amusement when they started thinking it was some sort of conspiracy or something. lol
Just guessing, but thath might have something to do with your tounge being snake like forked in these... heck every situation. You think you`re very subtle big guy, with the subtle jibes, praise chained to ridicule to hopefully create strife, but you`re really not. And gunz hasnt exactly outdone his mentor by lightyears required for any meaningfull practical effect. Just none of the pom-pom girls on your end dares to point it out to you like we do.
But heck, I can do it too. My neighbor Joe, who is mentaly handicapped since birth & requires to be bottle fed at 30, is really improving and is quite articulate - compared to 90% of OE. Good for him.
So note, the central premise here is my praise of my neigbor Joe, bless him. Don`t anyone at your end get "paranoid" or "offended" or "uneasy". You get the highly caricatured picture?
I mean seriously, you actually seem to believe you`re like way smarter than everyone/that we`re all a tad slow, so that you`re really running these (attempted) circles around everyone, don`t you? That`s the only explanation I can think of for your repeated condescending demeanor towards everyone not shining your boots. Christ, how are you not embarased posting certaing things like "was just teasing Oneil" etc. all the time? Man you`re some tease, you virtually singlehandedly "teased" purgatory into existance lol.
I mean for christ sake, are we really all *that* stupid/gullable in your eyes? Come to think of it, you`d prolly be better off not answering that... Atleast not honestly heh.
You make my point! Btw, I wouldn't go talking about Oneill and me seeing as the Legion are known for demanding stuff from other alliances. And hackers to boot! You guys are so bad at espionage that while we get agents, you need to attack our sites to get information. Again I refer only to the Legion here and not their allies.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:14 am
by Mathlord
SSG EnterTheLion wrote:You guys are so bad at espionage that while we get agents, you need to attack our sites to get information. Again I refer only to the Legion here and not their allies.
Well that's just a lie coming from an alliance that hacked my TA forum account
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:26 am
by SSG EnterTheLion
Mathlord wrote:SSG EnterTheLion wrote:You guys are so bad at espionage that while we get agents, you need to attack our sites to get information. Again I refer only to the Legion here and not their allies.
Well that's just a lie coming from an alliance that hacked my TA forum account
go on prove it. Because we didn't! Whereas I can prove Legion members hacked into my sgw forum and ingame account. Furthermore, our forums have been attacked multiple times, with some ips being traced to Slovenia. I don't mind spying. I consider it part of the game. If I were given a login etc, yes I would use it. But hacking is going too far.
And brdavs, your sig offends me!
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:35 am
by greenman
SSG EnterTheLion wrote:And brdavs, your sig offends me!
No kidding. Drop the European userbar. I'm offend.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:36 am
by Mathlord
SSG EnterTheLion wrote:Mathlord wrote:SSG EnterTheLion wrote:You guys are so bad at espionage that while we get agents, you need to attack our sites to get information. Again I refer only to the Legion here and not their allies.
Well that's just a lie coming from an alliance that hacked my TA forum account
go on prove it. Because we didn't! Whereas I can prove Legion members hacked into my sgw forum and ingame account. Furthermore, our forums have been attacked multiple times, with some ips being traced to Slovenia. I don't mind spying. I consider it part of the game. If I were given a login etc, yes I would use it. But hacking is going too far.
lol don't have ip's and the like saved from 3 years ago, though I do have a nice confession from Acronon about it. Oh by the way, remember that big reveal you did about the "evil" TLE from back in June? Remember how you were claiming you had an inside man in the TLE senate? Well at least until one of your pictures showed you were logged into brdavs account? Hey brdavs, how's the spying for ETL business going for you?
But that's right, Omega is above hacking forums or stealing passwords
Oh and in case you deny this, here's the pic from YOUR FORUM:
http://omegan-empire.com/tleforum/A-Req10.jpg
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:40 am
by Dundee
~MassinForChrist~ wrote:Dundee wrote:~MassinForChrist~ wrote:BMMJ13 wrote:Wow, I can't believe EPA has so many cheaters. Once again, I would never apologize for calling FUALL and TTF children, for it is pretty damn apparent that some act like such.
What side used the phase bug to withdraw naq and keep it out and mass? WHILE PHASED... Oh, that would be EPA... Damn... Almost forgot about that....
I suspect he is referring to Stoney and a couple of other aussies that abused this bug unaware that it was a bug. They paid their dues for their crimes and it certainly wasn't sanctioned abuse by EPA.
Oh look someone that is a bright crayon in the box!
Unlike Nimras, he is one of the dull brown crayons!
How do you not know that it is a bug? You have your naq out massing someone and they cannot hit you... Its pretty obvious or are there only dull colors in the box of crayons in EPA?
Think about it logically for a second......
Stoney is massing someone but at the same time gets phased......
Stoney doesn't realise he is phased
Takes naq out and continues massing
Realistically you would catch on eventually depending on the amount of naq out in the open. I would sure be wondering why it hadn't been taken after a defence or two had been taken down. Anyway I do remember it and I stand by what I said before they paid their dues and it was unsanctioned by EPA (as we knew nothing of what happened with the bug until after the fact)
One slightly related point I will take this opportunity to make though, because at this point a large bulk of the games features are undocumented, how is a player supposed to know (in the cases of a subtle bug like the phasing one) that what is happening is not the intended behaviour of their actions?
I'm not making any comment about the morality of what they are doing but rather it would be easy for a player to do something... like being able to attack while phased and not get hit back.... and think that's a sanctioned and expected action within the game.
If thing's aren't documented there is nobody but Admin to say otherwise and how often does he tutor new players in how to play SGW?
PS: I'm not having a go at anyone in particular regarding the lack of documentation just making a point.... we should have a team of players that keep a wiki up to date with in-game documentation me thinks.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:54 am
by SSG EnterTheLion
Mathlord wrote:SSG EnterTheLion wrote:Mathlord wrote:SSG EnterTheLion wrote:You guys are so bad at espionage that while we get agents, you need to attack our sites to get information. Again I refer only to the Legion here and not their allies.
Well that's just a lie coming from an alliance that hacked my TA forum account
go on prove it. Because we didn't! Whereas I can prove Legion members hacked into my sgw forum and ingame account. Furthermore, our forums have been attacked multiple times, with some ips being traced to Slovenia. I don't mind spying. I consider it part of the game. If I were given a login etc, yes I would use it. But hacking is going too far.
lol don't have ip's and the like saved from 3 years ago, though I do have a nice confession from Acronon about it. Oh by the way, remember that big reveal you did about the "evil" TLE from back in June? Remember how you were claiming you had an inside man in the TLE senate? Well at least until one of your pictures showed you were logged into brdavs account? Hey brdavs, how's the spying for ETL business going for you?
But that's right, Omega is above hacking forums or stealing passwords
Oh and in case you deny this, here's the pic from YOUR FORUM:
http://omegan-empire.com/tleforum/A-Req10.jpg
And if you read the article regarding that, you would know even guys in TLE who know what they are talking about agree their forum wasn't hacked. As for Acronon, I like the guy but when it comes to ingame stuff, all I say is lol if u take his word.
Re: What's the deal with the EPA and the OE..
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:56 am
by Mathlord
There are more far easier ways to get his password then hacking the TLE forum to get it, but you know that too.
Or are you saying brdavs was your secret mole in TLE all along? I would find that discussion quite funny
