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Re: Public Negotiations - Yes or no?
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:31 pm
by JediMasterX
Im just saying that its not so bad to surrender.
And you're right, things aren't goin anywhere with this. By holding negotiations again as zeek has stated, unless TTF has some plan which you guys might, I think its just going to end like last time and we're back where we started. It hasn't worked like this in the past and has just added more fuel to the BS fire. So if you wanna get anywhere gotta try something new. If it didn't work in the past why would it now.
I mean do the negotiations, I might get proved wrong, but im just sayin.
Re: Public Negotiations - Yes or no?
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:34 pm
by qacol
We in DDE need not talk, for the TTF has been told how to end this war.
Surrender to FUALL and the war is over.
Talks over.
The Public wants Negotiations then they can negotiate with my account... as it mass them to hell.
~Qacol~
Re: Public Negotiations - Yes or no?
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:36 pm
by buck
qacol wrote:We in DDE need not talk, for the TTF has been told how to end this war.
Surrender to FUALL and the war is over.
Talks over.
The Public wants Negotiations then they can negotiate with my account... as it mass them to hell.
~Qacol~
What if all of TTF just switch sides?
Re: Public Negotiations - Yes or no?
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:38 pm
by bebita
idk why people don't get over it
ttf won't say never surrender and fuall will not accept less then a surrender form
why?
because fuall still have $, still have farmers, still have masser, still have def ,still have power
all this" i want server war end "is pointless if not ttf are not ready to admitt that fuall have much more then them and will stop looking at individuals
Re: Public Negotiations - Yes or no?
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:38 pm
by Juliette
Brdavs wrote:Migtaswell just lock this puppy. Author wills it.
Done.
Re: Public Negotiations - Yes or no?
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:26 pm
by Juliette
Temporarily unlocked. No one but permitted parties post; other posts will be removed.
Re: Public Negotiations - Yes or no?
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:29 pm
by jedi~tank
Thank you so I may make a DDE HC reply. Lore's statement is reflective of DDE. We do not want the war to end but if a surrender is offered up then we will accept it and as Tekki stated work out details later.
We arent interested in any kind of talks with a nuetral party or any other kind of party for that matter however if TTF leaders want to talk our door is always open as I have had a number of pleasant chats with some leaders.
Re: Public Negotiations - Yes or no?
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:30 pm
by deni
Jedi~Tank wrote:Thank you so I may make a DDE HC reply. Lore's statement is reflective of DDE. We do not want the war to end but if a surrender is offered up then we will accept it and as Tekki stated work out details later.
We arent interested in any kind of talks with a nuetral party or any other kind of party for that matter however if TTF leaders want to talk our door is always open as I have had a number of pleasant chats with some leaders.
DDE speaks with one voice
Re: Public Negotiations - Yes or no?
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:39 pm
by Juliette
And with that, sealed up again.If Brdavs wants to make a closing statement, contact me or a General-Battle/FAQ mod.
Re: Public Negotiations - Yes or no?
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:26 pm
by Robe
I do not believe negotiations should be undertaken publicly in forums.
Although on a personal note I would like to thank those who genuinely tried and offered their assistance.
Since these threads keep recurring I hope that the following information, which is common knowledge to TF and FUALL, will assist the community in putting the matter to rest.
To end a conflict or a war, all parties need to reach mutually agreeable terms.
To date the OE, DDE and TF HC have been unable to reach an agreement that satisifed all 3 HC.
Last October we came close. Jedi~Tank was elected FUALL spokesperson and after lengthy chats put the following proposal to FUALL HC. This proposal was accepted by the TF HC. OE HC also voted to accept the proposal with the proviso that an additional clause was added requiring those who joined the conflict after it started apologise. DDE put the proposal to an alliance wide vote and their membership voted not to accept the terms.
Jed~Tank Proposal wrote:*Walk away, both sides..no propoganda posts, just congratz,
*TTF dissolves
*No naps
*30 day cool off meaning no hits at all on either server
*Individual Conflicts are managed via personal vendetta for those 30 days
*This is for current alliance members only and vac'd players. Current runners deserters and traitors are excluded from anything of
benefit in this contract.
Talks were going to be resumed in December but with Christmas a meeting could not be arranged. So to progress things Tekki and Deni made the following proposal to TF HC.
Tekki wrote:1. surrender
2. TF break up (any grouping of 3 or more of the alliances is 'reformation' where said alliances aren't in the same 'empire')
3. Ceasefire for 1 month
4. those alliances entering war late apologise for their adding to the confusion (specific apology from EPA to PI for breaking NAP)
5. publically announced vendettas are allowed during ceasefire, after ceasefire, normal relations insue
applies to current members only where alliance lists are provided to the other side within one week
anyone leaving alliances, is liable to be msased.
In January the TF HC responded with the following counter proposal but have heard nothing official back yet..
Robe wrote:Counter-Proposal
1. Salute those who remained loyal to their alliances
2. TF Treaty is revoked and each family goes their own way unless FUALL declare war on the server (or individual families) again.
3. No Hit Policy in both main and ascended for 90 days - No vendettas allowed for 90 days.
4. FUALL and TF apologise to the game for allowing their pride to have a war that lasted nearly two years.
5. Anyone not showing tags in either server (outside their alliance) is not protected by the terms of this agreement (can be massed and farmed).
I hope this satisfies everyone’s curiosity and puts the matter finally to rest.
In response to the previous posts, the TF HC is not interested in surrendering or retreating. However, the TF HC remains open to talks with OE and DDE HC should they move forward from the "surrender" dictate.