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Well I guess i'll take a solid standpoint here.

Although it would be an... interesting experience to try scben's idea. I really wouldn't mind it all, I understand and respect the diversity that Forum wants to leave in the game.

I think that is the main issue here, is trying to allow the asgard to have hopes to attack, and the tauri to have hopes to defend, while also not taking away the aspects that make their race unique.

Which brings me back to my original point about this particular update (remember it everybody? lol).

I think the percentages that the Asgard attack was upgraded by and the Tauri defense was upgraded by were a tad bit too small for the amount they lost in their respective skills. AND of course once again, those evil Goa'uld and those sneaky Reps didn't benefit off of this did they?

The rich, covertly superior types don't need any more bonuses...

that (completely valid) strategy still 100% works
nothing changed there....

scben wrote:forum u said that if people would figure out how to use their abilities then the game would be better.
well i am an asgard and as an asgard i want big defence so i spent a lot of my naq on def and barely any on attack so that way i could work on my covert and attack without the worry of being attacked all the time while i focused on aonther area. basically i was using the fact that i have a defence bonus to try and make my defence big enough so that no small to mid attack would steal my naq and that only a big attack would and using this to where i could build up on my other fronts and slowly up to the top. i thought thats how i could best us my bonus.

i see the point i just dont see the help
200k defence ?????????????????
-1.1 mill attack???????????????
hows this a help the reps and gould defence is still the same and the attack still the same

so u are saying (forum) that the attack has been modified to where my defence now is just as good as it was when it was 600k higher cause my def rank went down 8 to 9 spots so now i feel i am more vurnable defensivly than before and fell that i need to put on hold my plans for focusing on attack and covert.

I think this update is a move in the right direction. It does help the tau'ri despite what a number of people are saying. To those playing tau'ri that feel they have been slighted all I can say is that you aren't thinking this through enough.

A lot of people are crying foul because their strike went down however much more than their defense went up. It's not that simple. If you have a strike of 6 million and it drops 1 million that is only a 16% loss compared to a defense of 1 million going up 250k which is a 25% gain. Of course if your strike is 6 times larger than your defense you will lose more points even if the percentages favour you overall.

You need to compare apples to apples. If you had a defense of 1 million and a strike of 1 million you would have gained points out of it. The differences are actually more along the lines of 20% loss on strike and 25% gain on defense. Forum can correct me if my numbers are off but I believe they are about right.

its not a 16% and 25% u have to take in account my # of weapons
this is the #'s
gained around 4285 defence per weapon
i lost around 13750 stike per weapon thats not even or even right
the #'s are not exact but close enoph

you get about 79000 per attack weapon before the change and now it's gone down about about 16000 which is a 21.5% drop

you get about 16800 before the change which went up about 4100 which is a 24.5% increase.

This is a benefit.

There is a second hidden benefit to this but I will let people try to work that one out themselves since it's somewhat strategic.

how aboght no costs for repair for tauri and asgard on the attack and defence weapons like the gould have no banking fee its only fair if your going to keep us mess up with this update

jay6669 wrote:how aboght no costs for repair for tauri and asgard on the attack and defence weapons like the gould have no banking fee its only fair if your going to keep us mess up with this update

u have 10% cheaper weapons....do we have that...no....do we have cheaper unit production...NO......why this? is proven that the upgread got u someting extra .....wath more do u want?.....do u want the game to just give u weapons for free?

Enfant Terrible wrote:you get about 79000 per attack weapon before the change and now it's gone down about about 16000 which is a 21.5% drop

you get about 16800 before the change which went up about 4100 which is a 24.5% increase.

This is a benefit.

There is a second hidden benefit to this but I will let people try to work that one out themselves since it's somewhat strategic.

What are you referring to? What are these numbers? I don't see it.



Anyways, I don't know what all the outrage is about. I didn't even notice something had changed until is saw that 5 pages of posts had just appeared overnight. I thought, well, let's go see how bad it really is. I had my forces pretty well balanced, approximately (attack:defense) 1:1. Now they're at 1.2:1 with less than 3% drop in the total sum of attack and defense. With the recent drop in the price of a defensive weapon, I'll soon make up for the change. On the other hand, the effect this has on my offense is significant. I need fewer weapons to reach the same strike capabilities, which translates to fewer repairs, and in the end saving naquadah.

For those who claim they've lost millions of points, just a simple question. Did you really need those tens of millions you (must have - or i don't see how you could lose millions) had before the update? There's only very few players with scores to match those, and they have been toned down as well.

I hope people will take forum's advice and just try out their new abilities before complaining about them. Maybe you'll see the benefit in time.

I dont think you're quite realising how bad it was for everyone else aswell. 60+ weapons I hear you say - BIG DEAL!

I had a Strike Action of 4,991,598 with 175 Targeted Gate weapons, whereas my tauri friend had a Strike Action of 2,303,613 with just 30 (!!!!) X02s! So dont you tell me the Tauri and the Asgard are getting screwed over, there is no way it was balanced before. Now it has balanced out, and I'm glad.

EDIT - ok, i only saw the first of the 5 pages before posting this, but i'll leave this here anyway cause doesnt look like the complaints have changed much over 5 pages....

THE SAZ wrote:Now it has balanced out, and I'm glad.

that makes 2 of us....

So this update was yet another update designed to help the Goa'uld?

It's already very apparent that they don't need it. Really now, how many Goa'uld have advanced to the first page in the past few updates...

10% off our new weapons is now rather pointless if it takes 10%+ more weapons to match our previous power.

...*sigh* But I guess i'll manage until something a tad more fair comes along.

Guys stop complaining...I am playing Tauri and I dont see it as a big problem, sure we have become slightly less specialised but this change will allow us to go up ranks MUCH MORE EASILY. Just a few taps in my calculator showed me that if we were playing a balanced tatic then overall your rank will improve. Admitidy for those tauri (most of us) not playing balanced it ot does seem pretty bad but if you want ranks you NEED defence too, and this has made it easier. And dont forget the asgard have had the exact same update, and they are the only ones who I ever had any porblems attacking before, I dont see how it has changed except that it has made tauri attack and asgard defence slightly more accesible to the other 2 races.

In regards to the fact it doesnt line up with the home page's 25% claim...does it matter? I personally prefer my 50% attack bonus (or whatever it is) and am happy to take the smaller defensive decrease equivalent. Forum please do not listen to the complaints of a few when there are many of us who are not dis-satisfied with this update.

Although my brother has just told me that his attack AND defence has increased on his Goa'uld, so I dont know the full story. Can anyone comfirm this?

IcER wrote:Although my brother has just told me that his attack AND defence has increased on his Goa'uld, so I dont know the full story. Can anyone comfirm this?

Oh great. Then it WAS something for the Goa'uld. I don't care what they say, free banking is free banking, certainly not a bad thing in my book.

And now this? ... So lemme figure this out exactly. We sacrificed our defense considerably. The Goa'uld's went up. We got a slight bonus in our offense. So did the Goa'uld.

I think this was a step in the right direction, yes, but it appears to have been tipped in favor of the Goa'uld. Why? Did they have some previous disadvantage that I was unaware of?