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Leg Apophis wrote:

Brdavs wrote:

Leg Apophis wrote:

Brdavs wrote:Civil union =/= civil marriage btw. In a practical way.

Thats the point. Thats why it "isnt sufficient". Not cos its a conspiracy to get in on the M word just for the sake of pushing it heh.

Yes it's different.

And yes it is sufficient...I'm sorry to say that, but "think of the children".

And before anyone brings back the black/white couples issues in the USA that got solved now...black people and white people are of same race, they can have families together and nothing is different excepted the skin. However, they are the same. We are all different in the looks (excepted twins) but there's no real differences outside of those between different ethnies. There's people from all ethnies being straight or homosexual. That's why it's different issue.

Um... why would it be sufficient simply because of your or any one outside persons oppinion?

I know you`re not a black white argument fan, but I`m pritty sure there was this black chick once, that decided to insist that the back seat of the bus wasnt sufficient, despite many thinking it was pleanty.

Because some people want to keep a minimum of morals in this depraved casanova's dream like world we live in.

As for the last part...I think I have been clear about the ethnicity arguement already?

But you fail at seing the similarities

Thriller wrote:

Leg Apophis wrote:

Brdavs wrote:

Leg Apophis wrote:

Brdavs wrote:Civil union =/= civil marriage btw. In a practical way.

Thats the point. Thats why it "isnt sufficient". Not cos its a conspiracy to get in on the M word just for the sake of pushing it heh.

Yes it's different.

And yes it is sufficient...I'm sorry to say that, but "think of the children".

And before anyone brings back the black/white couples issues in the USA that got solved now...black people and white people are of same race, they can have families together and nothing is different excepted the skin. However, they are the same. We are all different in the looks (excepted twins) but there's no real differences outside of those between different ethnies. There's people from all ethnies being straight or homosexual. That's why it's different issue.

Um... why would it be sufficient simply because of your or any one outside persons oppinion?

I know you`re not a black white argument fan, but I`m pritty sure there was this black chick once, that decided to insist that the back seat of the bus wasnt sufficient, despite many thinking it was pleanty.

Because some people want to keep a minimum of morals in this depraved casanova's dream like world we live in.

As for the last part...I think I have been clear about the ethnicity arguement already?

But you fail at seing the similarities

There is one human race even though it might be hard for the estadounidenses to take it.
However, homosexuals and straight people have obvious differences that are not based on the looks like ethnies where racism is bad from are.

IF someone doesn't get sense of estadounidenses word...feel free to ask.

Leg Apophis wrote:

Thriller wrote:

Leg Apophis wrote:

Brdavs wrote:

Leg Apophis wrote:

Brdavs wrote:Civil union =/= civil marriage btw. In a practical way.

Thats the point. Thats why it "isnt sufficient". Not cos its a conspiracy to get in on the M word just for the sake of pushing it heh.

Yes it's different.

And yes it is sufficient...I'm sorry to say that, but "think of the children".

And before anyone brings back the black/white couples issues in the USA that got solved now...black people and white people are of same race, they can have families together and nothing is different excepted the skin. However, they are the same. We are all different in the looks (excepted twins) but there's no real differences outside of those between different ethnies. There's people from all ethnies being straight or homosexual. That's why it's different issue.

Um... why would it be sufficient simply because of your or any one outside persons oppinion?

I know you`re not a black white argument fan, but I`m pritty sure there was this black chick once, that decided to insist that the back seat of the bus wasnt sufficient, despite many thinking it was pleanty.

Because some people want to keep a minimum of morals in this depraved casanova's dream like world we live in.

As for the last part...I think I have been clear about the ethnicity arguement already?

But you fail at seing the similarities

There is one human race even though it might be hard for the estadosunidenses to take it.
However, homosexuals and straight people have obvious differences that are not based on the looks like ethnies where racism is bad from are.

IF someone doesn't get sense of estadosunidenses word...feel free to ask.

And you beleive those diffrences aren't just as superficial as those between race?

Thriller wrote:

Leg Apophis wrote:

Thriller wrote:

Leg Apophis wrote:

Brdavs wrote:

Leg Apophis wrote:

Brdavs wrote:Civil union =/= civil marriage btw. In a practical way.

Thats the point. Thats why it "isnt sufficient". Not cos its a conspiracy to get in on the M word just for the sake of pushing it heh.

Yes it's different.

And yes it is sufficient...I'm sorry to say that, but "think of the children".

And before anyone brings back the black/white couples issues in the USA that got solved now...black people and white people are of same race, they can have families together and nothing is different excepted the skin. However, they are the same. We are all different in the looks (excepted twins) but there's no real differences outside of those between different ethnies. There's people from all ethnies being straight or homosexual. That's why it's different issue.

Um... why would it be sufficient simply because of your or any one outside persons oppinion?

I know you`re not a black white argument fan, but I`m pritty sure there was this black chick once, that decided to insist that the back seat of the bus wasnt sufficient, despite many thinking it was pleanty.

Because some people want to keep a minimum of morals in this depraved casanova's dream like world we live in.

As for the last part...I think I have been clear about the ethnicity arguement already?

But you fail at seing the similarities

There is one human race even though it might be hard for the estadosunidenses to take it.
However, homosexuals and straight people have obvious differences that are not based on the looks like ethnies where racism is bad from are.

IF someone doesn't get sense of estadosunidenses word...feel free to ask.

And you beleive those diffrences aren't just as superficial as those between race?

"Interracial" straight couples as estadounidenses call them, will not have any differences from a same ethny straight couple (well, cultures might be different, but it's built up factors). Mariage is something you don't take lightenly, it's usually involving children.
Now unless sterility is involved (or if they don't want children), I fail to see how a straight couple from any different ethny husband/wife wouldn't succeed in this goal.

So the purpose of mariage is to have children... really?

I though it was a symbollic expression of love and unity. Is my deffinition wrong, too inclusive?

and I'm canadian

Thriller wrote:So the purpose of mariage is to have children... really?

I though it was a symbollic expression of love and unity. Is my deffinition wrong, too inclusive?

and I'm canadian

It's not the "purpose", but it happens to be one of goals the married ones often want to achieve.

And before you say anything about it, I'm against "forced"/"arranged" straight mariages. So yes I think love should be the factor...

Mariage for me: a man and a woman who love each others.

Leg Apophis wrote:

Thriller wrote:So the purpose of mariage is to have children... really?

I though it was a symbollic expression of love and unity. Is my deffinition wrong, too inclusive?

and I'm canadian

It's not the "purpose", but it happens to be one of goals the married ones often want to achieve.

And before you say anything about it, I'm against "forced"/"arranged" straight mariages. So yes I think love should be the factor...

Mariage for me: a man and a woman who love each others.

If you take out the man and woman part, it's still a pretty good deffinition.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:gays disgust me, they always have and they always will!

its wrong, full stop!

i say, if they dont stop there nasty disgusting behavoir...SHOOT THEM ALL!


i dont care what people think of me for saying that because and as i've steted in the past, i came to close for comfort to these animals, so i speak from experiance, NOT simple hatred because of my personal values.

I may be lurking in the shadows.. but I am Omniscient... so don't let me catch that foul tone again sonshine or you'll be sleeping in the dog house!

Kit-Fox wrote:As marriage is simply a social concept created by humans there is no logical/rational reason why it shouldnt be allowed.

Only reasonable answer i seen so far


My family member is gay i love him and his life partner so i have to say im a bit biased but i think who gives a damn let them experience marriage and about reproduction we **Filtered** this world is already over populated anyway

Teal'C wrote:KMA your sick bro

i am not your "bro"

Teal'C wrote:Your just plain Sick man

don't presume to judge me, you have no idea who i am or what i stand for. 2ndly, these people do wholly and completely unnatural things and you call me sick?! i have 3 boys and i'm doing a damned fine job of raising them (even if i do say so myself) as evidenced by the fact they are all top of their age groups in nearly all of their subjects, they never use foul language and are always well behaved and courteous.

so no, i am not sick.

Teal'C wrote:I hope one day you get wat you deserve

and just what would that be?

I cant help but wonder if your "good parenting" also includes passing intollerance on them heh.

As much as you dont want to be judged in that respect, all you do is pass moral judgment on people in question, and you have no business doing that. You may disagree with their lifestyle, but that is not grounds sufficient to deny them civil liberties, rights and respect as human beings.
I dont think its good enviroment for children to be raised by people that advocate violence against others based on their sexual orientation and nothing else but I`m not going to say you shouldnt be allowed any.
How will civil marriage for gays hurt you or your children anyways?

And you fail to understand the rosa parks analogy. Its not really about race, as its not really about homosexuality per se. Its about systematically discriminating someone based on some characteristic and them obviously not wanting it. We`re supposed to be above that.

Byrnes wrote:

Kit-Fox wrote:As marriage is simply a social concept created by humans there is no logical/rational reason why it shouldnt be allowed.

Only reasonable answer i seen so far


My family member is gay i love him and his life partner so i have to say im a bit biased but i think who gives a damn let them experience marriage and about reproduction we **Filtered** this world is already over populated anyway

Condoms were created for something. Churches should stop their stance regarding condoms especially in Africa. It would prevent aids to spread as it does. Idiotic people saying condoms do nothing against it deserve imo to be contaminated by aids instead of people who don't know who to believe.

And there would still be option of sterility in last resort..

Brdavs wrote:And you fail to understand the rosa parks analogy. Its not really about race, as its not really about homosexuality per se. Its about systematically discriminating someone based on some characteristic and them obviously not wanting it. We`re supposed to be above that.

You cannot compare discrimination against African American (or South Africans) in past and homosexuals of nowadays (I mean not in countries like Iran ofc).
Do the homosexuals are forbidden to go in some restaurants? No
Are they forbidden to practice jobs they want because it's too "good" for their status? No
Do they have an education seperated from other people (white people in apartheid)? No
And I could carry on the list.

Leg Apophis wrote:You cannot compare discrimination against African American (or South Africans) in past and homosexuals of nowadays (I mean not in countries like Iran ofc).
Do the homosexuals are forbidden to go in some restaurants? No
Are they forbidden to practice jobs they want because it's too "good" for their status? No
Do they have an education seperated from other people (white people in apartheid)? No
And I could carry on the list.

What is this, kindergarden? How is that supposed to make a difference lol?

Via that reasoning people could say
"Are african amercians being burned in furnaces? No.
Are they being worked to death in work camps? No.
Is their land being stolen and them stuffed in reservations whre they`re doomed to slow cultural extintion? No.
And the list goes on.
So Rosa should STHU and get to the back of the bus cos she can be happy she isnt a jew in the 20th century or a native american in the 19th or whatever."

Come to think of it, why did the us brake away from the british empire? Were they treated like the black slaves they kept? No. What gives then? Totally uncalled for eh?

I mean wth lol? We are talking about universal principles. You gonna tell your kid when he gets beaten up at school that he should be happy in his place cos while he did get a weggie, he got to keep his lunchmoney unlike someone else? I dont think so lol.

Brdavs wrote:

Leg Apophis wrote:You cannot compare discrimination against African American (or South Africans) in past and homosexuals of nowadays (I mean not in countries like Iran ofc).
Do the homosexuals are forbidden to go in some restaurants? No
Are they forbidden to practice jobs they want because it's too "good" for their status? No
Do they have an education seperated from other people (white people in apartheid)? No
And I could carry on the list.

What is this, kindergarden? How is that supposed to make a difference lol?

Via that reasoning people could say
"Are african amercians being burned in furnaces? No.
Are they being worked to death in work camps? No.
Is their land being stolen and them stuffed in reservations whre they`re doomed to slow cultural extintion? No.
And the list goes on.
So Rosa should STHU and get to the back of the bus cos she can be happy she isnt a jew in the 20th century or a native american in the 19th or whatever."

Come to think of it, why did the us brake away from the british empire? Were they treated like the black slaves they kept? No. What gives then? Totally uncalled for eh?

I mean wth lol? We are talking about universal principles. You gonna tell your kid when he gets beaten up at school that he should be happy in his place cos while he did get a weggie, he got to keep his lunchmoney unlike someone else? I dont think so lol.

Oh yes I forgot it's the racing to which minority earns the most demands. Doesn't matter whether those demands are valid or ridiculous, it's just a matter of being even free-er than the "majority" in the end. As your post shows, there is apparently NO difference between apartheid and asking for gay mariage while civil union is available, between death camps of extermination and possibility to adopt a child for gay couples. My my... My God, what world are we living into?

I don't have anything else to say but facepalm at this post of yours.


"Racism", "discriminating", "homophobia", "freedom [of speech]", "stigmatization", "fascism", "socialism", "seculiraty", "democracy" and "human rights" are among the most wrongly used and sense-twisted words nowadays. One can wonder whether people they realize that they use it that wrongly, or not. I hope they do realize it...

[KMA]Avenger wrote:

Teal'C wrote:KMA your sick bro

i am not your "bro"

Teal'C wrote:Your just plain Sick man

don't presume to judge me, you have no idea who i am or what i stand for. 2ndly, these people do wholly and completely unnatural things and you call me sick?! i have 3 boys and i'm doing a damned fine job of raising them (even if i do say so myself) as evidenced by the fact they are all top of their age groups in nearly all of their subjects, they never use foul language and are always well behaved and courteous.

so no, i am not sick.

Teal'C wrote:I hope one day you get wat you deserve

and just what would that be?

You think your kids are little agnels its those ones that change cause there parents never let them do a damn thing when they are little and im sure there cursing but i hope they wont grow up to be gay bashers


And i really hope they dont grow up to be gay for your sake cause god does funny things