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Clarkey wrote:

Jedi~Tank wrote:The Unbreakable Family ...maybe?

Even if that's what TUF stands for, they still wouldn't have been able to foresee a "rotten apple" joining and leading a TUF alliance in the future.

Let me ask you this, not just to Gunz, but to anyone that has an empire of alliances.

You create a new alliance and put someone "you believe you trust" in command of that alliance. They turn around and do the same thing Tsuna has done. That person goes on vac mode the moment the **Filtered** hits the fan. What would you do about it? You can't change that alliances name, you can't dismiss the leader...... would you disband all your empire? Would you change your empires name? i don't think so. It could even happen to DDE one day, you just need one rotten apple and that's it.

Gunz may think he's doing the right thing. In someway he is because Tsuna and his followers shouldn't go unpunished. However, going after ALL TUF alliances makes Gunz just as bad as Tsuna. When people believe very strongly that they are doing the right thing they often are blinded to the wrong that they are doing, and this Gunz is a prime example.

Clarkey, with all due respect since when is it improper to stand up for basic honor? Not that I seek or want anyone’s approval here is my reply to you…

Tsuna approached me months ago and wanted me to help him build his ‘’empire’’
He claimed he was Josh/ Reborn. I did not buy his story and refused to join with him. I told him then I did not believe him and that if I got confirmation of my suspicions he had a real problem. Reborn is a friend of mine and an old Omega mate…for someone to trade
on his name and to use it to build an empire placed the Sword of Damocles over them all.

I have seen entire alliances obliterated for NO reason and with no warning. I have seen alliances massed into extinction for ME gain. I have seen entire alliances massed for allowing one member in that others take issue with. . I have seen alliances massed with no warning for ‘’training missions’’.
Yet you find it impertinent of me to give a full 72- hour notice with a more than valid justification. I find that…interesting and a wee bit disappointing.

TUF was built on a lie. Alteran and Expansion have left TUF and I have set peace with their members. If the remaining members in TUF want to defend the house of cards they live in that is there prerogative.

Wow, I had Tsuna for an officer for a bit and he never claimed to be Reborn ... I think I'm insulted

GunZ wrote:Clarkey, with all due respect since when is it improper to stand up for basic honor? Not that I seek or want anyone’s approval here is my reply to you…

I'm not saying it is improper to stand up for basic honor. but where is the honor in forcing an empire to change their name because of a "rotten apple"?

Are you seriously telling me you would have changed your entire Empire name if the table was reversed?

id just like to tell you...that Techno if they still wear the tag of TUF maybe its because the members of that allaince dont have the ingame priviledges to change it.....

'the leader and 2ic' is inactive

and most of Techno dont use forums even when they get massed or some1 declares war on them...only one guy posts on forums for the whole allaince who isnt even a leader....

so people in techno will think they got massed for nothing...i suggest Pming the members of techno GunZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ telling them of the situation....if they dont respond could u mass them first though...they make excellent farms

Clarkey wrote:

GunZ wrote:Clarkey, with all due respect since when is it improper to stand up for basic honor? Not that I seek or want anyone’s approval here is my reply to you…

I'm not saying it is improper to stand up for basic honor. but where is the honor in forcing an empire to change their name because of a "rotten apple"?

Are you seriously telling me you would have changed your entire Empire name if the table was reversed?

If I started had Genesis claiming to be STI , KGC, REK , or some other great name then OF COURSE I would expect to be massed.

If you do not get this , I cannot make you understand.

but did TUF claimed to have Reborn as mentor? or just Tuna , in that case Clarkey is right

harchester wrote:id just like to tell you...that Techno if they still wear the tag of TUF maybe its because the members of that allaince dont have the ingame priviledges to change it.....

'the leader and 2ic' is inactive

and most of Techno dont use forums even when they get massed or some1 declares war on them...only one guy posts on forums for the whole allaince who isnt even a leader....

so people in techno will think they got massed for nothing...i suggest Pming the members of techno GunZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ telling them of the situation....if they dont respond could u mass them first though...they make excellent farms

TUF actually stands for The United Family, from what I was told.

The real leader of Technocracy, BillusBallus, is on vacation. All the crap hits the fan when he's gone. 2IC Hagar was unavailable when Bill left, so he put defdragon in charge since he was the only one Bill could get a hold of at the time. I did send defdragon a message in regards to this thread, though.

Techno members have since gone to the TUF forums as far as I know. Since Bill took over, they no longer require forum activity so the original Technocracy forum is now just a place to hold any training material I came up with when I was leader. I also use it to keep track of my daily Military Experience, since I still have Admin rights.

GunZ wrote:

Clarkey wrote:

GunZ wrote:Clarkey, with all due respect since when is it improper to stand up for basic honor? Not that I seek or want anyone’s approval here is my reply to you…

I'm not saying it is improper to stand up for basic honor. but where is the honor in forcing an empire to change their name because of a "rotten apple"?

Are you seriously telling me you would have changed your entire Empire name if the table was reversed?

If I started had Genesis claiming to be STI , KGC, REK , or some other great name then OF COURSE I would expect to be massed.

I didn't say massing though, I said would you have changed your empire name because of one rotten apple that you can't do anything about.

Imagine running an empire for years and then one idiot like Tsuna does what he did and then someone else forces them to change their entire Empire name for something one person did. What is honourable about your actions?

If you feel that strongly about Clarkey perhaps you should join TUF .

Good luck GunZ

Clarkey wrote:

GunZ wrote:

Clarkey wrote:

GunZ wrote:Clarkey, with all due respect since when is it improper to stand up for basic honor? Not that I seek or want anyone’s approval here is my reply to you…

I'm not saying it is improper to stand up for basic honor. but where is the honor in forcing an empire to change their name because of a "rotten apple"?

Are you seriously telling me you would have changed your entire Empire name if the table was reversed?

If I started had Genesis claiming to be STI , KGC, REK , or some other great name then OF COURSE I would expect to be massed.

I didn't say massing though, I said would you have changed your empire name because of one rotten apple that you can't do anything about.

Imagine running an empire for years and then one idiot like Tsuna does what he did and then someone else forces them to change their entire Empire name for something one person did. What is honourable about your actions?

If I may..generally I do not care about things like this, for obvious reasons, however I see the honor in this insofaras a message is being sent that someone is greatly offended by blatant disrespect on the legacy of this game..and the offenders are given a chance to correct it, even though they have every right to play as they wish so do those of us that find this..UNKOOL.

GunZ wrote:If you feel that strongly about Clarkey perhaps you should join TUF .

lol I just think forcing an Empire to change their name because you are upset with one individual is going OTT. But it is a game afterall.

BTW.......

This is Tsuna's Ascended account:

Realm: Reborn
Overseer: Phoenix {Descended from this realm...for now...}
Race: Ajna
Rank: unranked
Sphere Of Influence: 1,381,216(60,406) Planets
Resources: 670,499,638 Dark Matter Units
Relation: Neutral

Unfortunately my finger slipped on the Assault Phoenix Directly button.

LMAO nice job Clarkey Its not like TUF does much. There more a bunch of no name alliances that just so happen to have the same three letters. Probably have no main forums or any communication between the alliances. So its not like your changing alot

Ferra wrote:There more a bunch of no name alliances that just so happen to have the same three letters. Probably have no main forums or any communication between the alliances.

I know you're not including Technocracy, when you say a bunch of no name alliances. Granted they no longer fight back, but they've been a page 1 alliance for almost 3 years now. Every top war alliance has taken notice of them over the years as well, so I'd hardly consider them a 'no name' alliance.

Clarkey wrote:

GunZ wrote:Clarkey, with all due respect since when is it improper to stand up for basic honor? Not that I seek or want anyone’s approval here is my reply to you…

I'm not saying it is improper to stand up for basic honor. but where is the honor in forcing an empire to change their name because of a "rotten apple"?

Are you seriously telling me you would have changed your entire Empire name if the table was reversed?

Clarkey,

Gunz is not forcing anyone to do anything. Rather, he is giving the honorable members of TUF a chance to act and disassociate themselves from a rogue leader before the hammer falls. I commend him for his actions.

Speaking as a former member of TUF, there's no way I would choose to continue following someone who claims to be someone he's not. If he's lying about who he really is, what else is he scheming? And is he trying to hatch plans to pilfer the resources of the various alliances to his own benefit?

And a FYI. Tsuna set up TUF. Does it make sense to you for anyone to stay and be tainted by his actions?